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Post by BrettVW on Jul 29, 2015 9:46:35 GMT -5
So that means the radio station in Australia that airs a commercial free version of an off time AT40 show every Friday afternoon is doing so illegally? Correct. And honestly, what part of that description makes what they are doing seem legal at all? |
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Post by countdownmike on Jul 29, 2015 18:06:04 GMT -5
The Star-named Internet station here in Columbus immediately comes to mind. I was beginning to believe that if you're any kind of radio station and had the shows you could air them. I've always been irritated by it, but it goes on so long seemingly without scrutiny I was beginning to believe a side deal of some sort had been made with Premiere for that station and others to air them. It seems any year, any show comes on.
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Post by BrettVW on Jul 29, 2015 18:22:43 GMT -5
The Star-named Internet station here in Columbus immediately comes to mind. I was beginning to believe that if you're any kind of radio station and had the shows you could air them. I've always been irritated by it, but it goes on so long seemingly without scrutiny I was beginning to believe a side deal of some sort had been made with Premiere for that station and others to air them. It seems any year, any show comes on. It seems that way sometimes. I am honestly surprised stations like that haven't been cracked down on. I know if I were you, it would irk me as WODC should, in theory, have market exclusivity of Casey. I remember in 2007 when the station I worked at ran AT20. The local classic hits (still oldies then) station that was not owned by us wanted to add AT40 the 70s, and our PD got a call and had to ok it. We were fine with it, and they ran it Saturday mornings (which that station still does) and we had AT20 on Sunday morning and evening. I remember several years ago certain markets (Baltimore comes to mind) with seperate 70s and 80s affiliates that were not sister stations. I'm not sure if that is allowed anymore, as more and more stations opt for rotating 70s and 80s on various weeks. I also remember that when I worked at that HAC station in Meadville, PA, we even had to occasionally get the ok from a station in the nearby Erie, PA market to share shows. Our PD wanted to switch from two Sunday airings of AT20 to mornings with AT20 and evenings with AT40 HAC, but the Erie CHR station aired AT40 CHR and said we could not have Ryan, even though they were technically a separate market. Something about distance and shared coverage. Both markets could have the show, provided the one that already was airing it gave permission. The Erie stations did allow us to add Backtrax USA even though they had it too. On the flip side, when I went to work for the country station in Erie, the PD wanted to drop ACC with Kix Brooks for CT40 with Bob Kingsley, but the Meadville country station would not give us permission. Copyrights and air contracts and market exclusivity is no joke. That is why any show you may have seen on vinyl or CD has the big warning stating the material is NOT to be broadcast except on affiliated stations at the designated date(s) and time(s) |
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Post by countdownmike on Jul 30, 2015 8:46:17 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarifications Brett and Scott. Although Scott posted specifically about advertising those unauthorized Internet stations on this site, it is good to know the legalities involving airing the AT40s altogether. I knew it couldn't possibly be a free-for-all. Great info!
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Post by JMW on Aug 5, 2015 20:05:59 GMT -5
Can the station itself get in trouble for airing the show without permission? I listen to them as often as I can and I'd hate for them to disappear.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Aug 6, 2015 8:54:06 GMT -5
Can the station itself get in trouble for airing the show without permission? I listen to them as often as I can and I'd hate for them to disappear. I don't know about them disappearing, but whether a station is 'in trouble' would depend on how forcefully Premiere wanted to flex it's legal muscles and protect it's own properties from unauthorized use, which would probably get into the weeds of how often/how many times tha station used it's property without permission. They could probaby do anything from issue a 'cease and desist' to sue for damages/monetary award. |
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Post by Mike on Aug 9, 2015 1:24:24 GMT -5
Brett is correct. There are NO Internet-only radio stations outside of iheartradio.com (and the associated app) airing the shows. Therefore, any advertisement of a streamed show on anything other than iHeart or a commercial radio station's site/app is a violation of the rule. Thanks all. A certain someone in the 80s thread seems to have no interest in following this rule... |
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Post by SFGuy on Aug 9, 2015 2:23:01 GMT -5
Sorry to say, I wish something would be done. I would hate to try and check this board out and see it gone because that person refuses to follow the rule.
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Post by DJ Particle on Mar 16, 2016 23:56:26 GMT -5
Copyrights and air contracts and market exclusivity is no joke. That is why any show you may have seen on vinyl or CD has the big warning stating the material is NOT to be broadcast except on affiliated stations at the designated date(s) and time(s) Funny thing... WKPE on Cape Cod aired the AT40 Top 100 of 1990 4 days early. The designated airdate was 12/29/90, but they aired it on Christmas. Apparently ABC Watermark didn't care much, as WKPE continued to air AT40 until they switched formats in Oct. 1992. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2016 19:38:35 GMT -5
Copyrights and air contracts and market exclusivity is no joke. That is why any show you may have seen on vinyl or CD has the big warning stating the material is NOT to be broadcast except on affiliated stations at the designated date(s) and time(s) Funny thing... WKPE on Cape Cod aired the AT40 Top 100 of 1990 4 days early. The designated airdate was 12/29/90, but they aired it on Christmas. Apparently ABC Watermark didn't care much, as WKPE continued to air AT40 until they switched formats in Oct. 1992. No. Special countdowns like this were treated differently. There was a memo that went out with them stating pretty much they didn't care when the Top 100 was aired during that time as long as it was done and the network spots were aired. My affiliate ran the show Sunday from 6-10. They didn't air the Top 100 of 1990 until New Years morning. Did they run this particular show at any other time as well? |
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Post by DJ Particle on Jul 4, 2016 16:47:28 GMT -5
Funny thing... WKPE on Cape Cod aired the AT40 Top 100 of 1990 4 days early. The designated airdate was 12/29/90, but they aired it on Christmas. Apparently ABC Watermark didn't care much, as WKPE continued to air AT40 until they switched formats in Oct. 1992. No. Special countdowns like this were treated differently. There was a memo that went out with them stating pretty much they didn't care when the Top 100 was aired during that time as long as it was done and the network spots were aired. My affiliate ran the show Sunday from 6-10. They didn't air the Top 100 of 1990 until New Years morning. Did they run this particular show at any other time as well? They aired the second half of the show in the normal Saturday AT40 slot on the 29th. |
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Post by at40petebattistini on Jan 16, 2020 23:41:17 GMT -5
This is a reminder that it is a violation of this site's rules to offer to buy and/or trade copies of radio shows, "AT40" or otherwise. This is a violation of the original or current copyright holders' rights. Effective immediately, violations of this rule will result in immediate deletion of the post and banning of any members who create or participate in the conversation. Thank you in advance for your anticipated cooperation. Scott & Rob , you may want to delete your signature. |
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Post by Shannon Lynn on Mar 5, 2020 15:19:37 GMT -5
Thanks for the reminder Pete. It's amazing the hate mail that I get from so called 'fans.'
Today was a great one,
From: Wade Becktold (pretty sure the real name is Wesley Beckstead)
This is absolutely shameful that you charge outrageous prices to try and and sell American Top 40 and other programs that you did nothing to produce, license or create. Furthermore, you have made a bad name for yourself going after Mixcloud enthusiasts who share their collecting joys with other fans of those programs.
There are many collectors who will continue to share these programs for free, and in time they will all be readily available, as they should be to all people....free, and without the greed that comes from those like yourself who have no rights to hoard and charge.
You should be ashamed.
I'm not sure what is so hard to understand that these programs are copyrighted sound recordings and as such, protected intellectual property. The author shows little intelligence of the history of the reboot of AT40. I have been part of the Premiere/iHeart Radio team going on 20+ years now remastering these shows. As far as selling the shows, one of the benefits granted to me in my remastering contract and license agreement. Thus, what is shameful is everyone who writes a post like the one above.
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Post by matt on Mar 6, 2020 11:26:39 GMT -5
Shannon, that is unbelievable. Difficult to understand what's so hard for people about how the legal system works when it comes to copyrighted material, and when it comes to your agreement with Premiere. Know that there are those of us who greatly appreciate all you've done with the AT40/Casey Kasem classic shows--it's been a staple of my every week for the last 10 years.
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Post by mkarns on Mar 6, 2020 15:16:20 GMT -5
Shannon, that is unbelievable. Difficult to understand what's so hard for people about how the legal system works when it comes to copyrighted material, and when it comes to your agreement with Premiere. Know that there are those of us who greatly appreciate all you've done with the AT40/Casey Kasem classic shows--it's been a staple of my every week for the last 10 years. Plus the ridiculous claim that Shannon has done nothing to produce, license, or create the shows, when in fact he's worked hard for years remastering AT40 and other classic radio shows to bring them up to current sonic and legal standards for radio replay. |
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