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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jun 10, 2014 13:58:43 GMT -5
Scott: as was discussed in the Facebook thread, would you please address (if you haven't in the four pages I haven't read yet :-) how this applies to the single copies of remastered shows which Shannon is legally permitted to sell, and later resale of those under the First Sale Doctrine? Baylink: I think the rule for this message board is pretty clear. |
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Post by Showman on Jun 11, 2014 10:54:00 GMT -5
Unbelievable that we have 4 pages of comments on a straightforward forum policy instruction
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Post by mga707 on Jun 11, 2014 11:30:24 GMT -5
Unbelievable that we have 4 pages of comments on a straightforward forum policy instruction ...people like to "fight the power!"  |
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Post by matt on Jun 11, 2014 14:44:39 GMT -5
Right--and keep in mind that most people don't like to have to play the heavy. I'm guessing that Mr. Lakefield took no pleasure in having to issue this statement to the group of us on the boards, but is trying to keep this from getting shut down so that the rest of us can continue to enjoy the use of it.
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Post by carrie on Jun 11, 2014 14:56:43 GMT -5
He probably got some sort of notice, forcing this.
Anyway, it is kind of funny
The instruction is clear, "Don't sell, trade, give away or ask for any show on this site - NO EXCEPTIONS"
Lots of posts of the
"But what if....." variety. Which would be trying to create an exception.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2014 17:47:06 GMT -5
He probably got some sort of notice, forcing this. Anyway, it is kind of funny The instruction is clear, "Don't sell, trade, give away or ask for any show on this site - NO EXCEPTIONS" Lots of posts of the "But what if....." variety. Which would be trying to create an exception. I asked the one question way back on page 1 that I thought *might* be an exception for those people who do regularly listen/record the weekly classic shows. I don't so it didn't pertain to me. Honestly that's the ONLY thing I could have seen as a possible gray area: hey my recording of the show this week messed up, can someone send it? Everything else should have been self explanatory. And once that was made clear that was too. Some are being defiant and acting like this is the Woolworth sitin or something. It isn't. They are and will be banned and life will go on. |
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Post by jayenn71 on Jun 14, 2014 5:01:52 GMT -5
I don't think it was Scott's intent to get everyone in a paranoid frenzy lol. Is it true that the cue sheet for 6/21/86 is that elusive? Was it for this site, or for something else? I have a couple original cue sheets from that date. If Scott or Rob wanted it for the purpose of this site I would gladly send it.
I forgot all about the regular 7/4/87 countdown. I recorded the show EVERY week. I knew there was a Fourth Of July special coming up from my regular chats with ABC Watermarks Linda Kelly. (Before Casey mentioned any promos).
I was so upset with my local Affiliate when they aired only the weekly countdown. I had four other stations in my area to choose from. The only one airing ( the special) was about 70 miles away on a weak FM signal.
When I called the PDs at the other three stations to inquire about the special, they all told me they had an "opt out" for that particular special. They never aired it. Even though it fit their formats. ( unlike the previous years GORAR special which,obviously was more CR). And those same three stations aired the '86 special AND 7/5/86.
was the "Giants Of Rock n Roll" special the first AT-40 special have different Packaging and cover art? I still have never seen the '88 Forth Of July special. I thought it was odd that a Memorial Day special aired as well that year.
I wanted to share another story quickly. When I would call to talk to program directors about obtaining copies of the show, one station told me it was impossible because Casey picked up all the copies of his shows on his way through town!!! Lol that was one of my favorite excuses! Have a good weekend everyone. Always keep Casey, his family and friends in your thoughts. I know we all are. It's nice to have this common site.
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Post by Mike on Jun 14, 2014 12:26:56 GMT -5
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 22, 2014 7:51:46 GMT -5
Scott: as was discussed in the Facebook thread, would you please address (if you haven't in the four pages I haven't read yet :-) how this applies to the single copies of remastered shows which Shannon is legally permitted to sell, and later resale of those under the First Sale Doctrine? Baylink: I think the rule for this message board is pretty clear. and ultimately, it's THIS BOARD and HIS Board that makes the rules. I can live with it. If he care not to elaborate on that point. So be it. Meanwhile I'm just laughing about all the CT40 programs popping up on ebay and a few non Shannon Lynn AT 40 programs in the mix. That will happen. sharing will happen. Google is a wonderful thing. You don't need this board for that. Shannon probably swung a deal with Premiere for a reduced costs/free for his transfer services for the show. That's just makes sense. I would to if I were in that position, but Shannon is more patient then me. It's too tedious to do all the time, and to do all AT40 all the time. I like the show, but couldn't do transfers of it all the time. |
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 22, 2014 8:05:48 GMT -5
I wanted to share another story quickly. When I would call to talk to program directors about obtaining copies of the show, one station told me it was impossible because Casey picked up all the copies of his shows on his way through town!!! Lol that was one of my favorite excuses! Have a good weekend everyone. Always keep Casey, his family and friends in your thoughts. I know we all are. It's nice to have this common site. after working in radio for 16 years, I can tell you the PD is far too lazy or too busy to copy the show to a cassette or even have some flunky do it. You don't tie up a production studio for that. not practical. That said, a station employee can do many things after hours or figure out when the studio is not being used. he also raids the trash can or even sidesteps aired syndicated shows from the bulk tape eraser or trash can and takes them home. I did that for the 1st syndicated special produced in Canada that went to air The weekend after John Lennon died, produced by Doug Thompson. The station told me to bring it back as they wanted to use the tape to record over it....that didn't happen. It was a good thing, as 20 years later, doug wrote about the production experience in a trade magazine, I got a hold of him and sent him a CD dub of the tapes, as apparently he never had a copy of it. He was grateful enough to give me a dub of his latest 3 hr show at that time (about 14 years ago). That's probably why he's well known in the Radio Industry up here for decades. Just a great guy to deal with. I had a great station I worked for....one station in the same market said we couldn't "release whole or in part" when I asked for one of the Dick Clark National Music Survey's meanwhile, I got a few Soundtrack of the 60s shows by calling up the PD...he was pretty decent. What's some kid gonna do with the discs back then? really? (I eventually got almost the whole series when I went to work for them) That's how I got all my AT40's....a decent PD. I'm told a lot of them went into the dumpster from the same PD I got the stuff from. shame. Other Stations would sell them off for a local charity. I would think it wasn't common to trash them. People value records/CD's. |
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Post by mkarns on Jul 2, 2014 11:44:09 GMT -5
Heh; listening to the June 1992 Rick Dees countdown currently up online and he notes Elton John's forthcoming album that people could get on "CD, or cassette, or those things you copy and give to your friends---BUT YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT!" (he said hurriedly at the end of the sentence.)
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Post by BrettVW on Jul 2, 2014 13:12:05 GMT -5
Sadly for us I would say the majority of these shows did find their way into the trash. When I started working at an AT20 affiliate I met the PD Who had worked for the station since the 80s, and the station had aired Casey and his various incarnations since 1985, as well as airing both Casey and Shadoe during the appropriate time. As big of a fan as he was of the shows he tossed them every week and never thought a thing of it. When I was hired 2005 he was happy to give me AT20 every week until we went to the FTP system (and then dropped the show in a format change) and I have about two years worth of AT20 CDs but it kills me to think of 20 years of discarded treasures from that station. But to them it was never a big deal and that is why I am so grateful for the likes of Shannon Lynn and the support he gets from the folks at Premiere
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 22, 2014 20:26:52 GMT -5
Sadly for us I would say the majority of these shows did find their way into the trash. When I started working at an AT20 affiliate I met the PD Who had worked for the station since the 80s, and the station had aired Casey and his various incarnations since 1985, as well as airing both Casey and Shadoe during the appropriate time. As big of a fan as he was of the shows he tossed them every week and never thought a thing of it. When I was hired 2005 he was happy to give me AT20 every week until we went to the FTP system (and then dropped the show in a format change) and I have about two years worth of AT20 CDs but it kills me to think of 20 years of discarded treasures from that station. But to them it was never a big deal and that is why I am so grateful for the likes of Shannon Lynn and the support he gets from the folks at Premiere That was standard practice for any station airing the material, though I know some stations would give them away as prizes to the right caller, sell them off for charity at a reasonable price, or other things. Seltech Satellite systems, when it was still around, was the distributor in Canada for Casey's Top 40 and WW one in general. It was fed via satellite every thursday afternoon, minus the US spots being edited out after dubbed to reel tape. I got a couple CT40 programs and a pile of other WW one shows on CD by knowing a guy who worked there. I also got tip offs on satellite feeds of shows. The station I worked for was cool at using the production studios to record if anyone else wasn't. I got a few CT40s that way. The horror story was the actual program discs they had were often turned into coasters by cutting out the label from the record I was told. Most of the people in radio had no idea as to the value. I got shows from a friendly PD in my province at the time. I got a more then a few of Charlie Van Dyke and one with Dave Roberts as fill ins that way. I also bought them out of the US from dealers through Goldmine Magazine who were selling them for $10-15 shortly after they aired. Look what they are now. The "Classic" reairings have certainly generated interest. The first station I worked for ran Soundtrack Of The 60s for 3 1/2 of the 4 years. I have most of the shows from that time, as they never trashed them until I started to work there. Just loaded up the car. Even had contest forms, memos, and from another station, I got a nice demo folder with demo show, ad slicks and a quote of the cost of the show for that station. Not sure if they picked it up, as that was the only show I found, but still nice to stumble on when they cleared out the vinyl. |
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 22, 2014 20:29:10 GMT -5
Sadly for us I would say the majority of these shows did find their way into the trash. When I started working at an AT20 affiliate I met the PD Who had worked for the station since the 80s, and the station had aired Casey and his various incarnations since 1985, as well as airing both Casey and Shadoe during the appropriate time. As big of a fan as he was of the shows he tossed them every week and never thought a thing of it. When I was hired 2005 he was happy to give me AT20 every week until we went to the FTP system (and then dropped the show in a format change) and I have about two years worth of AT20 CDs but it kills me to think of 20 years of discarded treasures from that station. But to them it was never a big deal and that is why I am so grateful for the likes of Shannon Lynn and the support he gets from the folks at Premiere That was standard practice for any station airing the material, though I know some stations would give them away as prizes to the right caller, sell them off for charity at a reasonable price, or other things. Seltech Satellite systems, when it was still around, was the distributor in Canada for Casey's Top 40 and WW one in general. It was fed via satellite every thursday afternoon, minus the US spots being edited out after dubbed to reel tape. I got a couple CT40 programs and a pile of other WW one shows on CD by knowing a guy who worked there. I also got tip offs on satellite feeds of shows. The station I worked for was cool at using the production studios to record if anyone else wasn't. I got a few CT40s that way. The horror story was the actual program discs they had were often turned into coasters by cutting out the label from the record I was told. Most of the people in radio had no idea as to the value. I got shows from a friendly PD in my province at the time. I got a more then a few of Charlie Van Dyke and one with Dave Roberts as fill ins that way. I also bought them out of the US from dealers through Goldmine Magazine who were selling them for $10-15 shortly after they aired. Look what they are now. The "Classic" reairings have certainly generated interest. The first station I worked for ran Soundtrack Of The 60s for 3 1/2 of the 4 years. I have most of the shows from that time, as they never trashed them until I started to work there. Just loaded up the car. Even had contest forms, memos, and from another station, I got a nice demo folder with demo show, ad slicks and a quote of the cost of the show for that station. Not sure if they picked it up, as that was the only show I found, but still nice to stumble on when they cleared out the vinyl. Pete Battistini is to be thanked as the main reason for the archive. Shannon was in the right place at the right time and his interest translated into the venture because he was the only one doing the shows and just as important, wanted to. |
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Post by ccwolffenc on Dec 2, 2014 20:17:03 GMT -5
Rob Durkee - was on the AT40 staff during the Shadoe Stevens years (listen to just about any of Shadoe's shows and you will hear Rob's name in the closing credits), wrote the book American Top 40: Countdown of the Century, and generally considered one of the top experts regarding American Top 40. Part right, Matt-Rob Durkee actually joined when Casey Kasem was still hosting the show, and Rob would later become the most valued member of Shadoe Stevens' "Whiplash Acrobatic Ensemble," namely his AT40 crew when he took the reins of American Top 40. Rob Durkee and Pete Battistini are the best experts in finding out information on all things AT40 and the Billboard charts at the time. Rob is also the guy credited with linking Premiere Radio Networks (which airs the classic AT40 shows, as well as the new edition with Seacrest) with businessman turned remaster expert Shannon Lynn, who helps re-engineer the classic Casey shows for rebroadcast in digital format. Rob, Pete, and Shannon are the "triad" when it comes to keeping the memory of the original American Top 40 alive and well. |
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Let's put the 6/21/86 cue sheet issue to rest already.
