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Post by mkarns on Jun 5, 2014 20:44:47 GMT -5
My understanding is that yes, any of those shows listed on eBay are in violation. When I first started collecting shows around the turn of the century (that still sounds odd), there were tons of AT40/CT40 shows for bid. Sometime around the middle of the decade, Premiere laid the hammer down and all such listings were removed. I believe for a time the only "legal" listings on eBay were through Charis Music Group (aka Shannon Lynn). Right now Shannon can still shows on ebay. He's selling some CT40s right now. I believe anyone can sell Shadoe shows. The revived AT40, AT20, AT10, and current Ryan AT40 are off limits period (I believe). So I guess it's OK to buy or bid on Casey-hosted countdowns on eBay if, and only if, they're sold by "charismusicgroup", i.e. Shannon Lynn. Maybe this is wrong, but I've read that Ryan Seacrest AT40s were never on CD or vinyl to begin with; when he took over supposedly it went entirely to electronic files that are e-mailed or otherwise sent online to affiliates. If so, the only way we'll ever be able to purchase those is over iTunes or something similar, and they likely won't be offered legitimately for many years, if ever. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 20:49:12 GMT -5
top40usa.net/ that had almost every year-end along with some special countdowns was a part of this problem as now they have all been taken down! top40usa.net/Forum/Default.aspxInfringer Issues - AT40 6/3/2014 6:51:09 PM American Top 40 is a copyrighted program. Providing digital copies of these programs for download is an infringement of these copyrighted works. Clear Channel holds the exclusive rights to these programs. Please cease and desist this activity or we w
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Post by mga707 on Jun 5, 2014 20:59:18 GMT -5
Unrelatedly, does copyright law make the AT40/CT40s offered at times on Ebay, on record or CD, illegitimate? I don't have any such copies, in part due to questions about legality, but considering that there are often some, and sometimes many, present I was wondering if those were legit, and if not why are so many offered for sale/bid? My understanding is that yes, any of those shows listed on eBay are in violation. When I first started collecting shows around the turn of the century (that still sounds odd), there were tons of AT40/CT40 shows for bid. Sometime around the middle of the decade, Premiere laid the hammer down and all such listings were removed. I believe for a time the only "legal" listings on eBay were through Charis Music Group (aka Shannon Lynn). Similarly, I used to see CD copies of countdown shows for sale at used record/CD stores. Have not seen any for ages, probably because they're not distributed on CD anymore (AFAIK). I don't see nearly as many "For promotional use only--not for sale" CDs at the resale stores anymore, either. I bought a bunch of LP copies of AT40 at a used record (this was pre-CD) store about 30 years ago. The proprietor told me that an ex-DJ from the station that then carried the show had brought them in to sell. He probably justified it as being part of his 'severance package'.  I'm guessing that's how most resale stores obtained copies. |
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Post by spock on Jun 6, 2014 10:11:39 GMT -5
Gang ... it's pretty clear: shows cannot be bought, sold, traded, given away, etc. as it is a violation of the copyright holder's rights. Years ago, this site had a completely separate board dedicated to such, and it had to be closed down. In order to prevent this forum for discussion of the shows' content, Casey, news, etc. (ie, anything other than swapping/buying/selling shows) from suffering the same fate, we are now strictly enforcing this rule. Again, there are NO exceptions. Sorry. Understood Scott. As a somewhat new member even though I've been following the posts and updated stations list for the last year or so, I didn't realize it was an issue based on what I saw posted over that time. |
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Post by Hi Infidelity on Jun 6, 2014 16:13:18 GMT -5
Until I hear a "B show" on an iheart station other than WODC, then that station is not doing much for me.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Jun 7, 2014 11:22:30 GMT -5
I agree that such rule has to implemented. Copyright infringement is becoming a serious problem (getting worse, in fact), and if you really want the shows legally, acquire them through an authorized agent (Shannon Lynn).
Seems like big brother is watching you now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2014 11:41:44 GMT -5
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Jun 7, 2014 12:01:57 GMT -5
A bit off topic, but after I checked the site, I discovered that there is no link to the cue sheets for June 21, 1986, yet Premiere aired it last year. I wonder if the June 21, 1986 episode that Shannon acquired never had the cue sheet?
And I heard rumors that the regular July 4, 1987 episode may have been hard to find, at least one to remaster. The link to the cue sheets for July 4, 1987 is enabled, apparently. Maybe he successfully acquired a good enough version to remaster for future rebroadcast, perhaps?
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Post by briguy52748 on Jun 7, 2014 17:38:24 GMT -5
Scott:
A thought: I realize this discussion has been pinned to the top of the "Classic AT40" message board with a clear directive to not engage in discussions of "I have a show available" or "Could you provide X show for me," etc.
I think it may be a good idea to post something under the FAQ, because I am certain that many people have those questions about what is acceptable and not acceptable and why. It would clear up any gray area or misunderstanding there might be, and could also be used to link to where one can legally obtain copies (i.e., from Shannon Lynn) of a program that one might "need" or want.
Brian
P.S.: I said "need" with question marks intentionally. I've always suspected that most of these requests come from people who just simply want to obtain something for nothing, IMHO, rather than simply some recording of a show going awry. Tune in at the appointed time, upgrade your DAR equipment or just deal with the fact you missed the show and life goes on.
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Post by matt on Jun 7, 2014 23:42:22 GMT -5
A bit off topic, but after I checked the site, I discovered that there is no link to the cue sheets for June 21, 1986, yet Premiere aired it last year. I wonder if the June 21, 1986 episode that Shannon acquired never had the cue sheet? And I heard rumors that the regular July 4, 1987 episode may have been hard to find, at least one to remaster. The link to the cue sheets for July 4, 1987 is enabled, apparently. Maybe he successfully acquired a good enough version to remaster for future rebroadcast, perhaps? Yes--the 6/21/86 show is one of the few remaining where there is not a cue sheet. As for the 7/4/87 (regular) show, it was aired by XM in 2009, which I believe means it would have been remastered (unlike SXM does now with some of the 70's shows they air, I believe that any of the 80's shows that XM aired back in the day were remastered, but someone can correct me if I'm wrong about this). |
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Post by briguy52748 on Jun 8, 2014 12:58:04 GMT -5
And the point to your last several posts is … ? Brian |
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Post by briguy52748 on Jun 8, 2014 13:59:20 GMT -5
And the point to your last several posts is … ? Brian Knowing you are going to be terminated at any moment does elicit some unusual behaviors. But what does this have to do with the discussion at hand about a policy that expressly prohibits asking for copies of AT40 programs recorded off-the-air? Brian |
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Post by baylink on Jun 9, 2014 19:44:52 GMT -5
Scott: as was discussed in the Facebook thread, would you please address (if you haven't in the four pages I haven't read yet :-) how this applies to the single copies of remastered shows which Shannon is legally permitted to sell, and later resale of those under the First Sale Doctrine?
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jun 10, 2014 9:04:44 GMT -5
Speaking of Facebook, how much longer is Premiere/CC going to let the "Casey Kasem AT40 Countdown Download" page exist? I mean, if they are having this much heartburn about fans helping each other out gratis, I'd think they'd be right POed about an entity charging fees to download inferior downloads of the same product.
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Post by darnall42 on Jun 10, 2014 9:35:01 GMT -5
Speaking of Facebook, how much longer is Premiere/CC going to let the "Casey Kasem AT40 Countdown Download" page exist? I mean, if they are having this much heartburn about fans helping each other out gratis, I'd think they'd be right POed about an entity charging fees to download inferior downloads of the same product. I hope he gets his page closed down ,but he has been getting away with it for years |
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