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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jun 5, 2014 11:05:43 GMT -5
Gang ... it's pretty clear: shows cannot be bought, sold, traded, given away, etc. as it is a violation of the copyright holder's rights. Years ago, this site had a completely separate board dedicated to such, and it had to be closed down. In order to prevent this forum for discussion of the shows' content, Casey, news, etc. (ie, anything other than swapping/buying/selling shows) from suffering the same fate, we are now strictly enforcing this rule.
Again, there are NO exceptions. Sorry.
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Post by pointpark04 on Jun 5, 2014 11:19:56 GMT -5
Not that I'm into skinning cats, but there exists more than one way to do it.
In the Internet Age, not even Big Brother can keep track of everything.
To that, there are NO exceptions, either.
Thank you for the clarification, Scott.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jun 5, 2014 12:40:33 GMT -5
I think the best way to handle this is a simple acknowledgement of 'will do, Boss'.
This being Scott and Rob's site, it's also their arse on the line as well by hosting us here. NFN, (since I'm as guilty as many others about trading and such) but folks should take extended conversation about circumnavigating CC/Premiere 'requests' about these activities off-site, at the very least in discreet (and non-disingenuous) terms/venues where it doesn't bring the hammer down on the Admin team here.
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Post by dougbroda on Jun 5, 2014 13:37:33 GMT -5
I think the best way to handle this is a simple acknowledgement of 'will do, Boss'. This being Scott and Rob's site, it's also their arse on the line as well by hosting us here. NFN, (since I'm as guilty as many others about trading and such) but folks should take extended conversation about circumnavigating CC/Premiere 'requests' about these activities off-site, at the very least in discreet (and non-disingenuous) terms/venues where it doesn't bring the hammer down on the Admin team here. Concur. The folks who afford this invaluable resource need to be respected, as does their need to do what they just did (and it is a need, as is obvious from the posts above). We need to not, from here forward, ask for or provide copies of shows, even those just aired, on the message board here. (Noting, of course, that two shows a week are now available for repeat, with extras, for an entire week thereafter. Missing a show on a weekend just became a much lesser issue courtesy of CC.) |
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jun 5, 2014 14:19:27 GMT -5
Thanks Doug.
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Post by Hi Infidelity on Jun 5, 2014 14:49:39 GMT -5
This is the way I understand it. Do NOT openly ask or discuss the need or offering of shows on the public forum.
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Post by BrettVW on Jun 5, 2014 14:49:59 GMT -5
Don't push it. And don't look for gray. Just play by the rules that have clearly been outlined for us
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 14:51:16 GMT -5
Could we please get some clarification on if a recent airing of AT40 The 70s or 80s is ok to ask for? If it's all or nothing, that seems pretty tough. I am guessing that if you ask for a copy of what "aired on XYZ-FM between the hours of 7-11am on 6/1" it would probably be okay. I am guessing you will not. A.) This is a message board and not a court of law, therefore Scott & Rob do not have to have lawyers, etc. B.) The intent of said request would be for the show since this is a message board for a show that airs in that time slot on that station. Also, my initial question was in essence to see how far the copyright thing was going to be taken. Once they said no to even the past weeks terrestrial airings, everything else I'd think would be self explanatory. |
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Post by mkarns on Jun 5, 2014 15:01:12 GMT -5
Could we please get some clarification on if a recent airing of AT40 The 70s or 80s is ok to ask for? If it's all or nothing, that seems pretty tough. I am guessing that if you ask for a copy of what "aired on XYZ-FM between the hours of 7-11am on 6/1" it would probably be okay. Plus they said that applies to any radio show, not just AT40. So trying to reword or describe it without naming it won't work. Unrelatedly, does copyright law make the AT40/CT40s offered at times on Ebay, on record or CD, illegitimate? I don't have any such copies, in part due to questions about legality, but considering that there are often some, and sometimes many, present I was wondering if those were legit, and if not why are so many offered for sale/bid? |
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Post by Hi Infidelity on Jun 5, 2014 15:57:36 GMT -5
Like "Concert Vault" from King Biscuit, they could call it Classic AT40 Vault and offer 192kbps streaming and non compressed FLAC files...
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jun 5, 2014 16:17:55 GMT -5
I am guessing that if you ask for a copy of what "aired on XYZ-FM between the hours of 7-11am on 6/1" it would probably be okay. I am guessing you will not. A.) This is a message board and not a court of law, therefore Scott & Rob do not have to have lawyers, etc. B.) The intent of said request would be for the show since this is a message board for a show that airs in that time slot on that station. Also, my initial question was in essence to see how far the copyright thing was going to be taken. Once they said no to even the past weeks terrestrial airings, everything else I'd think would be self explanatory. You're right, Paul. This is not OK. File this under "no means no." |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 17:04:09 GMT -5
I think this thread just reinforces my wish that there was a subscription service available where you would be able to download legal copies on demand. There is a legal way to get them: Shannon Lynn. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 17:19:18 GMT -5
Like "Concert Vault" from King Biscuit, they could call it Classic AT40 Vault and offer 192kbps streaming and non compressed FLAC files... I don't know the ins and outs of this show. But there is more to it than just making all these old shows available for sale. This is something some of you don't seem to understand. There's 40 or more songs that have to be accounted for and paid for in royalties most likely and could go up exponentially if all of these shows were available in that format. There's Casey Kasem, Shadoe Stevens, Charlie Van Dyke, Mark Elliott and many others who's estate or themselves could lay claim to royalties because on demand offerings may not have been covered in any agreement. There's also another entity that could have their hand out for quite a bit of $$$ and it could torpedo this from the get go: Billboard for using their intellectual property. Just because Premiere owns the show doesn't mean they have the right to do anything and everything they want with it. There are certain parameters they have to fall in as well. Premiere paying royalty fees for one thing doesn't mean they are able to do something else without most likely paying a lot more. And, sorry to tell you, I don't think a subscription service like this would be worth the added expense to them. If I misunderstand anything in the royalty realm, someone feel free to correct me with facts. But what little bit I understand I think this is correct. |
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Post by mstgator on Jun 5, 2014 18:28:11 GMT -5
Unrelatedly, does copyright law make the AT40/CT40s offered at times on Ebay, on record or CD, illegitimate? I don't have any such copies, in part due to questions about legality, but considering that there are often some, and sometimes many, present I was wondering if those were legit, and if not why are so many offered for sale/bid? My understanding is that yes, any of those shows listed on eBay are in violation. When I first started collecting shows around the turn of the century (that still sounds odd), there were tons of AT40/CT40 shows for bid. Sometime around the middle of the decade, Premiere laid the hammer down and all such listings were removed. I believe for a time the only "legal" listings on eBay were through Charis Music Group (aka Shannon Lynn). |
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Jun 5, 2014 18:59:27 GMT -5
Unrelatedly, does copyright law make the AT40/CT40s offered at times on Ebay, on record or CD, illegitimate? I don't have any such copies, in part due to questions about legality, but considering that there are often some, and sometimes many, present I was wondering if those were legit, and if not why are so many offered for sale/bid? My understanding is that yes, any of those shows listed on eBay are in violation. When I first started collecting shows around the turn of the century (that still sounds odd), there were tons of AT40/CT40 shows for bid. Sometime around the middle of the decade, Premiere laid the hammer down and all such listings were removed. I believe for a time the only "legal" listings on eBay were through Charis Music Group (aka Shannon Lynn). Right now Shannon can still shows on ebay. He's selling some CT40s right now. I believe anyone can sell Shadoe shows. The revived AT40, AT20, AT10, and current Ryan AT40 are off limits period (I believe). |
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