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Post by palmer7 on Jun 11, 2016 18:50:35 GMT -5
^Yes Bob definitely seems to be preaching to an older demographic than his counterpart Kix Brooks. Would have been the same a decade ago if Casey say resurrected Casey's Top 40 while Ryan was doing AT40(legal issues aside of course as I doubt he could have done that anyway). He might have been able to do that. He could've switched from Mediabase to Nielsen BDS/Billboard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2016 20:21:38 GMT -5
^Yes Bob definitely seems to be preaching to an older demographic than his counterpart Kix Brooks. Would have been the same a decade ago if Casey say resurrected Casey's Top 40 while Ryan was doing AT40(legal issues aside of course as I doubt he could have done that anyway). He might have been able to do that. He could've switched from Mediabase to Nielsen BDS/Billboard. No, he wouldn't have. And there's a reason no one has used Billboard in years. |
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Post by palmer7 on Jun 12, 2016 16:33:27 GMT -5
And why not?
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Post by adam31 on Jun 16, 2016 7:50:26 GMT -5
He might have been able to do that. He could've switched from Mediabase to Nielsen BDS/Billboard. No, he wouldn't have. And there's a reason no one has used Billboard in years. Other than the rights fees, there is no reason. It is widely accepted that Billboard's charts are still the standard by which a song’s popularity is measured in the United States. Whenever mainstream media needs a music fact, whether it be news stories or quiz shows like Jeopardy, they reference Billboard not Mediabase, R&R, or any other chart used on a countdown show during the years. For the current countdown shows, it's all about saving money. |
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Post by BrettVW on Jun 16, 2016 8:39:33 GMT -5
That is correct. However, the rights fees are not cheap. And the Billboard charts do not reflect what radio is playing. So, why would you pay lots of money for a chart that doesn't even reflect what your affiliates are playing? Listeners couldn't care less, PDs want familiarity, and shows want to keep production costs as low as possible. And that is why no one has used Billboard in years.
*note: I believe the country format is an exception to the "doesn't reflect what radio is playing" rule as it is not fragmented like CHR, Hot AC, and AC. But there is a reason American Country Countdown dropped Billboard and Bob Kingsley didn't rush to pick it up for Country Top 40 when they did. It just doesn't matter to the listeners or the stations, so what is the purpose of paying for it.
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Post by adam31 on Jun 16, 2016 9:32:18 GMT -5
I don't know what the current rights fees are to Billboard's charts but I think it did matter a lot to listeners and stations back in the classic AT40 years. Look at the uproar in 1991. Sure, the further we get away from anyone using Billboard, the less it matters. It has always been a bit hypocritical for Bob Kingsley and Casey back in the day to spout facts and have them change or no longer mention them when moving to a different chart. It would mean a lot to listeners to once again compare today's music with that of any point in the past in a consistent manner. This is one of the biggest features/items missing in today's countdowns. The link to the past and how songs match up with one another.
It is ALL about the fees. If Billboard significantly reduced them or they were free like Mediabase, someone would go back to using Billboard.
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Post by palmer7 on Jun 16, 2016 10:01:05 GMT -5
You can see the airplay charts for free on bdsradio.com. However, this may be different for stations or radio networks seeking to use that data.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 11:53:46 GMT -5
The result of the chart change in 1991 has become so overblown. Radio stations were dropping the show because among other things, the use of the Hot 100. When the chart changed, most listeners didn't care and didn't notice. I'm one of them. I had no idea until 1992 when I was on vacation in Atlanta and fumbled across an issue of Billboard with Shadoe Stevens responding to a listeners letter about it. A station in Daytona aired the show until early in 1992. I figured this change must have occurred after they dropped it. Never realized it was in November 91. Most of us didn't have a billboard sub and by most I mean high 90 percentiles. There wasn't much of an internet to speak of so no one was checking online. Most people had no idea anything had happened. It just did and it's only people who were really into the show, had Billboard, and all who knew about it and it's only grown into this legendary moment of such anger against the show because of this board, the people on it who are the types who would have known, and a loss of perspective over the last 25 years. Yes the change needed to happen. Radio stations got their wish. But most listeners didn't notice or worry about it.
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Post by BrettVW on Jun 16, 2016 13:16:59 GMT -5
I don't know what the current rights fees are to Billboard's charts but I think it did matter a lot to listeners and stations back in the classic AT40 years. Look at the uproar in 1991. Sure, the further we get away from anyone using Billboard, the less it matters. It has always been a bit hypocritical for Bob Kingsley and Casey back in the day to spout facts and have them change or no longer mention them when moving to a different chart. It would mean a lot to listeners to once again compare today's music with that of any point in the past in a consistent manner. This is one of the biggest features/items missing in today's countdowns. The link to the past and how songs match up with one another. It is ALL about the fees. If Billboard significantly reduced them or they were free like Mediabase, someone would go back to using Billboard. I don't know a single radio listener, outside of this group, that cares about chart sources, countdown shows, and the like. All radio listeners want are songs they like and are familiar with. Whether that comes with a live personality, automated playlists, or a countdown show, as long as the music is on, the listeners are happy. I can't imagine there was any kind of uproar when Shadoe's AT40 dropped Billboard. Again, the biggest issue was the loss of affiliates prior to the change BECAUSE they were still using Billboard, which featured songs out of format for affiliate stations. If AT40 used the Hot 100 today, the chart would not at all align with what CHR stations are playing in heavy rotation and would not be appealing to the affiliates. |
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Post by adam31 on Jun 16, 2016 22:02:47 GMT -5
The result of the chart change in 1991 has become so overblown. Radio stations were dropping the show because among other things, the use of the Hot 100. When the chart changed, most listeners didn't care and didn't notice. I'm one of them. I had no idea until 1992 when I was on vacation in Atlanta and fumbled across an issue of Billboard with Shadoe Stevens responding to a listeners letter about it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think you're both wrong that no one cared when the chart changed. Why would Shadoe write a letter and Billboard print it if no one wrote the show asking about it? None of us were there when the letters poured in but I would think the listener outcry was substantial. enough for an explanation letter. There is plenty of evidence that more people cared about the charts and artist trivia than the chart "geeks" on this board. Thousands of people wrote letters asking chart trivia questions and the like which would indicate AT40 listeners were not the "lemmings" you profess them to be that had no idea what the show was about or that it was based on Billboard. I don't know a single radio listener, outside of this group, that cares about chart sources, countdown shows, and the like. All radio listeners want are songs they like and are familiar with. Whether that comes with a live personality, automated playlists, or a countdown show, as long as the music is on, the listeners are happy. Hope you're wrong about this or all syndicators better just close up shop if all a station has to do is throw on continuous music. |
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Post by BrettVW on Jun 16, 2016 22:15:55 GMT -5
There are hundreds and hundreds of stations that have already done just that. There will always be a small group of folks who even without being a fan like us will make it a point to listen to a show like AT40 or Bob Kingsley. But those shows are not make or break for a station like they once were.
Think of the thousands of air personalities (like myself) Who are out of radio and have been replaced by nothing and no one. Does the average listener care or even know? They don't, which is why radio can get away with what it gets away with. If ratings and revenue plummeted with voicetracking and automation, they wouldn't be the norm.
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Post by dth1971 on Jun 17, 2016 8:46:18 GMT -5
Would Todd Newton be perfect to host a reboot of AT20 for AC? Ryan Seacrest would keep his AT40 CHR and Hot AC jobs.
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Post by BrettVW on Jun 17, 2016 11:08:04 GMT -5
Who is Todd Newton?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 11:44:49 GMT -5
Figs younger brother?
If they wanted an AC countdown of that kind they wouldn't have ended it in 2009.
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Post by adam31 on Jun 17, 2016 14:38:11 GMT -5
Todd Newton hosted The All New Press Your Luck on GSN, and is also on Monopoly Millionaire's Club. |
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