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Post by freakyflybry on Jun 15, 2013 1:46:05 GMT -5
There's two on this week's 1982 AT40:
Dazz Band - Let It Whip (#5 BB; DNC R&R)
Deniece Williams - It's Gonna Take A Miracle (#10 BB; DNC R&R)
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Post by dukelightning on Jun 15, 2013 7:31:17 GMT -5
^ So what does that make it, one soul song on the R&R charts of circa June 1982? What a bunch of morons programming stations back then. And I can attest to this idiocy. I could only hear "Forget Me Nots" on AT40 in those days for example. Although in a strange twist, somehow that song ended up peaking higher on R&R at 20 than Billboard at 23. Go figure!
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Post by freakyflybry on Jun 15, 2013 16:33:50 GMT -5
On the other hand:
Huey Lewis & the News - Hope You Love Me Like You Say You Do (#36 BB/#15 R&R)
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Post by jebsib on Sept 20, 2013 9:49:17 GMT -5
Candyman "Knockin' Boots" - BB #9; R&R #29
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 10:41:47 GMT -5
"Ooh Child" by Dino:
#10 R&R
#4 AT40
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Post by dhaus on Jan 14, 2014 13:57:54 GMT -5
Some early 1990s examples: "Could This Be Love" - Seduction (#6 on R&R/#11 on Billboard) "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - Nirvana (#9 on R&R/#41 on Billboard) "Unchained Melody" - Righteous Brothers (1990 Reissue) (#3 on R&R/#13 on Billboard) "U Can't Touch This" - MC Hammer (#1 on R&R/#8 on Billboard) Also, I know "Solid" by Ashford & Simpson peaked at #12 on Billboard in February 1985, but where did it peak at on R&R? If it peaked at #7 or higher, then that's a crazy difference. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" made it to #6 on the Billboard Hot 100 |
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Post by Hervard on Jan 14, 2014 18:07:11 GMT -5
Some early 1990s examples: "Could This Be Love" - Seduction (#6 on R&R/#11 on Billboard) "Smells Like Teen Spirit" - Nirvana (#9 on R&R/#41 on Billboard) "Unchained Melody" - Righteous Brothers (1990 Reissue) (#3 on R&R/#13 on Billboard) "U Can't Touch This" - MC Hammer (#1 on R&R/#8 on Billboard) Also, I know "Solid" by Ashford & Simpson peaked at #12 on Billboard in February 1985, but where did it peak at on R&R? If it peaked at #7 or higher, then that's a crazy difference. "Smells Like Teen Spirit" made it to #6 on the Billboard Hot 100 I think he was talking about the Top 40 Radio Monitor, which AT40 was using at the time. I vaguely remember that song just narrowly missing hitting the AT40 chart. Also, "Solid" peaked at #17 on the R&R chart. |
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 16, 2014 17:42:27 GMT -5
Snap's "The Power": #2 BB, #11 R&R I will preface this by saying this song's chart performance on Billboard was touched on recently in the top 100 of 1993 thread. But Snap's signature hit "Rhythm is a Dancer" has a really crazy longevity disparity on the 2 charts. Having heard the Casey's Top 40 from 1/16/93 and expecting to hear that song but not caused me to look this up. It stayed on CT40 until 1/2/93 but it stayed on AT40 until 5/1/93. FOUR months difference? Really? Wow that blows me away! Even taking into account the BDS methodology being used on the latter and not the former. But that does explain a lot of it I suppose. |
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Post by mkarns on Jan 23, 2014 15:32:26 GMT -5
Here's another from 1982-83, just mentioned in the Pulse Music Board threads:
"You and I" by Eddie Rabbitt and Crystal Gayle hit #7 in Billboard, and spent 21 weeks in the top 40. It never made R&R's top 30 chart at all.
(Soon after, in June 1983, Radio & Records expanded to a top 40.)
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Post by jmack19 on Jan 23, 2014 16:55:10 GMT -5
After the 1983 expansion to top 40, Do They Know It’s Christmas – Band Aid did not chart on R&R. It peaked @ #13 Billboard & #7 Cashbox. Probably due to tradition of not having a new chart for 2 weeks around New Year's Day.
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Post by jebsib on Jan 24, 2014 8:22:48 GMT -5
Bad Company "Walk Through Fire" - #17 r&r / #28 Billboard
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Post by jlthorpe on Jan 28, 2014 20:04:06 GMT -5
Now that Record Research put out their book on the Cashbox charts, do we want to also include peak differences between Billboard and Cashbox?
Here's a few:
Another Bad Creation "Iesha" - #9 BB, #25 CB
Another Bad Creation "Playground" - #10 BB, Did not chart CB
Cinderella "Nobody's Fool" - #13 BB, #23 CB
Phil Collins "Hang In Long Enough" - #23 BB, #11 CB
The Doors "The Unknown Soldier" - #39 BB, #22 CB
Rupert Holmes "Answering Machine" - #32 BB, #46 CB
J.J. Fad "Supersonic" - #30 BB, #48 CB
Fred Knoblock And Susan Anton "Killin' Time" - #28 BB, #64 CB
Kris Kristofferson "Why Me" - #16 BB, #32 CB
Led Zeppelin "Over The Hills And Far Away" - #51 BB, #28 CB
Lynyrd Skynyrd "Saturday Night Special" - #27 BB, #41 CB
The Partridge Family "I'll Meet You Halfway" - #9 BB, #2 CB
Prince "Thieves In The Temple" - #6 BB, #1 CB
Salt-N-Pepa "Do You Want Me" - #21 BB, #85 CB
Shalamar "Uptown Festival (Part 1)" - #25 BB, #61 CB
Barbra Streisand "The Way He Makes Me Feel" - #40 BB, #26 CB
Voices That Care "Voices That Care" - #11 BB, #24 CB
The Who "Magic Bus" - #25 BB, #10 CB
ZZ Top "La Grange" - #41 BB, #24 CB
And of course, the one song that didn't hit Billboard or Radio and Records, but hit #1 in Cashbox:
Wayne Newton "The Letter" - Did not chart BB, #1 CB
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Post by mstgator on Feb 1, 2014 20:47:45 GMT -5
Now that Record Research put out their book on the Cashbox charts, do we want to also include peak differences between Billboard and Cashbox? ... And of course, the one song that didn't hit Billboard or Radio and Records, but hit #1 in Cashbox: Wayne Newton "The Letter" - Did not chart BB, #1 CB And that last tune by Wayne Newton was apparently not even a commercial single (Whitburn shows it as an album cut in the new CB book), so based on CB restrictions (which mimicked the Hot 100 at that time), it shouldn't have charted even if it had the required airplay (which I can guarantee you it did not). |
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Post by jlthorpe on Feb 3, 2014 20:01:04 GMT -5
Now that Record Research put out their book on the Cashbox charts, do we want to also include peak differences between Billboard and Cashbox? ... And of course, the one song that didn't hit Billboard or Radio and Records, but hit #1 in Cashbox: Wayne Newton "The Letter" - Did not chart BB, #1 CB And that last tune by Wayne Newton was apparently not even a commercial single (Whitburn shows it as an album cut in the new CB book), so based on CB restrictions (which mimicked the Hot 100 at that time), it shouldn't have charted even if it had the required airplay (which I can guarantee you it did not). I actually noticed a few other album cuts in the Cashbox book (such as "Do The Bartman", "Plush", and "Daughter"), so I assumed Cashbox allowed those to chart compared to Billboard. But back to "The Letter", yeah, there's no way an album cut could get so much airplay that it makes #1 without hitting any other chart in Billboard or Radio and Records. If it was a commercial single release, I figured there was a possibility it could make Cashbox exclusively (perhaps they counted sales from a retail outlet that Billboard ignored, and it was a huge seller at that outlet). In this case, there had to have been payola involved, and from searching the internet, it seems Cashbox had some issues with payola... and murder (see here for more details: www.top40musiconcd.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=502 ). |
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Post by mkarns on Feb 3, 2014 20:52:23 GMT -5
And that last tune by Wayne Newton was apparently not even a commercial single (Whitburn shows it as an album cut in the new CB book), so based on CB restrictions (which mimicked the Hot 100 at that time), it shouldn't have charted even if it had the required airplay (which I can guarantee you it did not). But back to "The Letter", yeah, there's no way an album cut could get so much airplay that it makes #1 without hitting any other chart in Billboard or Radio and Records. If it was a commercial single release, I figured there was a possibility it could make Cashbox exclusively (perhaps they counted sales from a retail outlet that Billboard ignored, and it was a huge seller at that outlet). I can't conceive of what outlet is big enough that it can send a single to #1 without Billboard counting it. Anything of that size should presumably be counted by Billboard and its SoundScan technology that was in place by 1992. Unless something took place like Wal-Mart buying hundreds of thousands of copies and giving them away with purchases without Billboard knowing of or technologically tracking it, that sounds impossible for the 1990s. |
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