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Post by jlthorpe on Dec 12, 2012 18:14:10 GMT -5
mkarns, looking at the songs in the initial post, and seeing some other examples besides Michael and Jermaine Jackson, I wonder if R&B or black songs did poorer in R&R because there wasn't as much airplay compared to sales. For example, Donna Summer reached #1 on R&R with "MacArthur Park" and "Hot Stuff", but "Bad Girls" reached #2 for 1 week (compared to 5 weeks at #1 in Billboard), "Dim All The Lights" was #6 (#2 in Billboard), and "No More Tears" was #3 (#1 in Billboard).
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Post by woolebull on Dec 12, 2012 18:44:18 GMT -5
Point of reference...I checked out how the other solo African-American females did on R and R in 1979 that hit number one on Billboard. None of them hit number one.
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Post by erik on Dec 12, 2012 19:43:26 GMT -5
"Radar Love" Golden Earring Billboard: #10 R&R: --- (did not chart)  |
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 12, 2012 21:00:54 GMT -5
"Radar Love" Golden Earring Billboard: #10 R&R: --- (did not chart) Good one! And I though "Banned In The USA" - 2 Live Crew #20 BB/-- RR (1990) was impressive. Others with more than a 10-spot difference: Me So Horny - 2 Live Crew #26 BB/-- RR (1989) The Star Spangled Banner - Whitney Houston #20 BB/--RR (1991) Love Is - Alannah Myles #36 BB/#24 RR (1990) |
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Post by erik on Dec 12, 2012 21:39:01 GMT -5
"Radar Love" Golden Earring Billboard: #10 R&R: --- (did not chart) Correction: I meant to say "Twilight Zone". I knew that! ;D |
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Post by woolebull on Dec 12, 2012 23:52:36 GMT -5
mkarns, looking at the songs in the initial post, and seeing some other examples besides Michael and Jermaine Jackson, I wonder if R&B or black songs did poorer in R&R because there wasn't as much airplay compared to sales. For example, Donna Summer reached #1 on R&R with "MacArthur Park" and "Hot Stuff", but "Bad Girls" reached #2 for 1 week (compared to 5 weeks at #1 in Billboard), "Dim All The Lights" was #6 (#2 in Billboard), and "No More Tears" was #3 (#1 in Billboard). Another R and B song, "Still" did not go to number one, though "Sail On" did. A pretty big discrepancy also goes to the first number one song of the 80's: Please Don't Go peaked at number seven on R and R...and the week that it was number one on Billboard it wasn't even in the R and R Top 30! |
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Post by blackbowl68 on Dec 13, 2012 0:29:44 GMT -5
Donna Summer reached #1 on R&R with "MacArthur Park" and "Hot Stuff", but "Bad Girls" reached #2 for 1 week (compared to 5 weeks at #1 in Billboard), "Dim All The Lights" was #6 (#2 in Billboard), and "No More Tears" was #3 (#1 in Billboard). This is a perfect example of the unfortunate side effect of Disco Demolition Night. But record buyers did not get the message. (or totally ignored it.) |
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Post by blackbowl68 on Dec 13, 2012 1:23:30 GMT -5
There are many factors that could cause a chart disparity.
Generally a record that gets banned performs very poorly on an airplay chart, but its sales shoot through the roof. This was the case with records like "Physical," "I Want Your Sex," and "Baby Got Back."
Many records become hits because of their residual audience. (The consumers that were not fans when the first single was issued.) Eight of the #1 singles of 1988 were fourth releases from an album. The reason so many of these records topped the chart that year was because they were mostly ballads, and they appealed to the residual record buyer.
Some records are also given the alternate mix, remix, dance mix or extended mix treatment which can help (or hurt) its chart performance.
What many do not realize is the United States is one of few countries that use airplay to determine a record's popularity. The United Kingdom, for example, uses sales only to tabulate their pop charts.
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Post by jmack19 on Dec 15, 2012 18:01:31 GMT -5
Disco Demoition Night was July 12, 1979. Here are some #1 songs one year prior to 7/12/79:
7/12/1978-7/12/1979
Boogie Oogie Oogie A Taste Of Honey
I Will Survive Gloria Gaynor
Knock On Wood Amii Stewart
Ring My Bell Anita Ward
8 weeks #1 Cashbox
9 weeks #1 Billboard
0 weeks #1 R&R
All these hits are disco songs by an R&B artist that had never had a prior top 10 single on the R&R charts. All reached Top 5.
After 7/12/1979 look at some of songs by R&B artists (mostly established acts) with disco or uptempo sound that topped Billboard or Cashbox:
7/12/1979-7/12/1981
Bad Girls Donna Summer
Good Times Chic
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough Michael Jackson
No More Tears Barbra Streisand and Donna Summer
Rock with You Michael Jackson
Funkytown Lipps Inc
Upside Down Diana Ross
Celebration Kool & the Gang
Take Your Time - S.O.S. Band
Master Blaster - Stevie Wonder
21 weeks #1 Cashbox
23 weeks #1 Billboard
1 weeks #1 R&R
Also, country songs and novelty hits tend to do much better on Billboard than R&R for the same reason dance songs did -- sales.
Once R&R expanded from top 30 to top 40 in June 1983, the charts began to be too consistent with each other for my taste. I liked it when a song could fall off the R&R chart the same week it was #1 on Billboard(like Jesse's Girl-1981).
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Post by mstgator on Dec 16, 2012 14:05:35 GMT -5
This has been mentioned before, but the Billboard charts themselves during the late '70s to early '80s are a bit suspect due to the practices of the chart director at the time. (For the most part they're accurate enough, but certain songs may have had their chart positions paid for.)
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Dec 19, 2012 21:24:32 GMT -5
Some early 1990s examples:
"Could This Be Love" - Seduction (#6 on R&R/#11 on Billboard)
"Smells Like Teen Spirit" - Nirvana (#9 on R&R/#41 on Billboard)
"Unchained Melody" - Righteous Brothers (1990 Reissue) (#3 on R&R/#13 on Billboard)
"U Can't Touch This" - MC Hammer (#1 on R&R/#8 on Billboard)
Also, I know "Solid" by Ashford & Simpson peaked at #12 on Billboard in February 1985, but where did it peak at on R&R? If it peaked at #7 or higher, then that's a crazy difference.
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Post by freakyflybry on Dec 19, 2012 23:20:32 GMT -5
Also, I know "Solid" by Ashford & Simpson peaked at #12 on Billboard in February 1985, but where did it peak at on R&R? If it peaked at #7 or higher, then that's a crazy difference. #17. So it was a crazy difference, just in the other direction!  |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Dec 20, 2012 8:44:11 GMT -5
DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince's remake of "Ring My Bell" did make the Top 40 on Billboard, but not on R&R. It was played on AT40 until the dreaded change of chart format by late November 1991.
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Post by jlthorpe on Dec 20, 2012 10:59:47 GMT -5
Some from John Lennon:
"Mind Games" - #11 R&R, #18 BB
"Whatever Gets You Thru The Night" - #6 R&R, #1 BB
"#9 Dream" - #27 R&R, #9 BB
"Stand By Me" - #32 R&R, #20 BB
"Watching The Wheels" - #3 R&R, #10 BB
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Post by jlthorpe on Dec 21, 2012 20:31:17 GMT -5
This one got me thinking. Wang Chung's "To Live And Die In L.A." peaked at #30 on R&R but missed the Top 40 on Billboard, peaking at #41. Was that the highest-charting R&R hit that did not hit the Billboard Top 40 (pre-Soundscan and non-airplay-only, of course)?
Here's some other peak differences:
Paul Anka - "Times Of Your Life" - #32 R&R, #7 BB
Marvin Gaye - "Got To Give It Up" - #11 R&R, #1 BB
Marvin Gaye - "I Want You" - #35 R&R, #15 BB
Chris Isaak - "Wicked Game" - #19 R&R, #6 BB
Loverboy - "When It's Over" - #12 R&R, #26 BB
Oxo - "Whirly Girl" - #14 R&R, #28 BB
John Williams - "Star Wars Main Title" - #27 R&R, #10 BB
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