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Post by adam31 on Jan 8, 2020 10:26:28 GMT -5
I've never listened to a full Ryan Seacrest show since he took over. But his tribute to Casey earned a listen from me to any of the All-Decade shows. Anywhere I can still catch these? I Heart Radio Channel? EDIT: I checked out the I Heart Radio channel for current AT40 and someone named "Sabrina Carpenter" is hosting. I don't know who she is because I'm old  . The music isn't bad though and she is doing a good job. There are a lot of listeners asking her questions, I would have to say I am glad AT40 is being passed on to a new generation of listeners who may be as excited to hear it as we were when Casey and Shadoe were on. Carpenter is a singer/actress. Her biggest chart impact on AT40 was in early 2017 with a minor hit called "Thumbs". IMHO it should have been a bigger hit than it was. I love that song. AT40 in general has evolved to the tastes of its current audience. It's not like the AT40 of old (most songs only get intro'd or outro'd, rarely both), but that doesn't mean it's *bad* by any means. It's more fast-paced to keep up with lower attention spans. This is shown in the music as well, as pop songs are heading back to running times more comparable to the 1970s, so less songs end up getting cut for time these days, even with the "AT40 Extras" dotting the show (usually 2 [and an optional third] per hour). Ryan Seacrest brings an energy back to the show harkening back to late-1970s Casey or 1990s Shadoe, and it works for what it needs to be in the modern world. Sadly, iHeart doesn't air reruns of the revival AT40 yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see a "the 2000s" dedicated channel in the near future [which would likely start with 1998, at least until they can get rights to CT40 and/or Shadoe AT40 hashed out]. After all, we started getting 1980s reruns in what? 2005? 2006?. EDIT: They *could* just separate the 6 years of Casey as "Casey Kasem's American Top 40: The Milennium". Hmm.. idea? I just found out via Wikipedia that Sabrina Carpenter is the niece of Nancy Cartwright who voices Bart Simpson and her acting debut was on Law & Order: SVU. EDIT: Just had another listen to more of this show and it's really good, Sabrina is very relateable to a radio audience and pays tribute to her fans by answering their questions in an interesting way. Sounds like she is having fun instead of mailing it in like some celebs tend to do. The music is so much better than the hard core rap that was on last time I listened a few years ago. Pop music may be back for now at least! Even Lizzo while rapping still sort of sings also. I'll probably start listening on a more regular basis from now on. Another point about the dynamics of the show: I remember when fans used to flame AT40 and Shadoe for the "No -nuttin" gimmick, now one bad thing I will say is now it is 10x worse. Most songs just have a number liner in between em. Hard to say why Ryan wouldn't have time to voice track his part each week pretty easily with the tech available today. |
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 8, 2020 13:33:08 GMT -5
Another point about the dynamics of the show: I remember when fans used to flame AT40 and Shadoe for the "No -nuttin" gimmick, now one bad thing I will say is now it is 10x worse. Most songs just have a number liner in between em. Hard to say why Ryan wouldn't have time to voice track his part each week pretty easily with the tech available today. There's an app for finding out the song played: SoundHound. 😂😂😂 Joking aside, yeah, I feel the same: At least voice-track one end of the song. I just recently listened to the AT40 HAC decade-end for the 2000s, and "Bleeding Love" by Leona Lewis at #39, Ryan didn't intro or outro. Heck, I could put together a show of the week's top hits, and use some computer-generated voice along with number and bumper jingles, in very little time. |
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 8, 2020 18:38:05 GMT -5
Regarding the statement that AT40 uses R&R for all its chart data but not for the #1 song of the 70s, I am sure it comes down to Casey doing the top hits of the 70s and not wanting to contradict what he said. After all, that countdown is out there airing on the Premiere series every now and then and I assume on iheart radio occasionally. If Casey had lasted to the end of the 80s on AT40 and done the decade end countdown with "Physical" at #1, I am sure that song would be noted as such too. Speaking of which, I am listening to the decade end countdown that he did do at the end of the 80s on CT40.
It almost happened in the 80s as it did in the 90s where the top selling song of the decade did not make the 40 of the decade as "We Are the World" had that distinction with 4 million copies, coming in at #39. Another decade with a questionable song noted as the #1 song of it is the 50s. As an extra and all the #1 songs of the previous decades are played, Casey played "Rock Around the Clock" and called it the #1 rocker of the 50s. Said it spent 8 weeks at #1 (just as he said "Hey Jude" spent 9 weeks #1 as the top hit of the 60s) which is of course based on Billboard. But I have never heard on any other show before or after where that song was called the #1 rocker of the 50s. Thought it was "Don't Be Cruel". Interesting. Maybe the story he told of how Clock became a hit was more intriguing that any Elvis story they could tell. As for the 70s, Casey does play "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" which spent 7 weeks at #1 on R&R btw, 3 more weeks than on the Hot 100, as the #1 song of the decade. In the outro he said, 'the biggest hit of the 70s according to Radio & Records', maybe clarifying things for those that thought it should have been "You Light Up My Life". But it does make you wonder how many times either song was acknowledged as the #1 song of the 70s by Casey and Ryan over the years.
I prefer the Hot 100 to the R&R chart generally but there is an exception every now and then. One of those is that "Rosanna" hit #1 at R&R but not on the Hot 100 and that places it in this countdown. Plus I prefer it to their Hot 100 #1 "Africa". "Rosanna" spent 5 weeks at #2 on the Hot 100 and hit #1 on R&R. There are 3 other hits which spent 4 or more weeks at #2 on the Hot 100 in the first half of 1982, all of which I think are in this countdown. The second "Don't Talk to Strangers" came in at #25. I am not sure if there are any other non #1 Hot 100 hits which hit #1 on R&R in this countdown besides those 4 songs.
Wow. a minute and a half song in a 4 hour show? It's in this show and it was "Eye of the Tiger". Brutal. Glad "When Doves Cry" came in higher than "Let's Go Crazy". Was afraid radio was not as enamored with it. And they played the album version too with its cold ending.
Casey made a mistake when he said Lionel Richie matched Paul McCartney in writing a #1 song in 8 consecutive years and this is the song that got him the tie, "Say You Say Me". Anybody who heard the countdown would also have known that was not correct because Casey noted how Lionel wrote "We Are the World". And that came earlier in 1985 than Say. Maybe he meant writing a #1 song by himself since Lionel co-wrote World with MJ. Btw 2 of those 8 songs he wrote have already been played, "Lady" and "Endless Love". So he wrote 4 songs in this countdown.
George Michael's Faith is the only album to put 3 songs into the countdown, the title track, then "Father Figure" and at #8 "One More Try", which is also in the order that they were released.
Not to be considered with "Back in Black", "Photograph", "Cum on Feel the Noize"or "Sweet Child of Mine" in its heaviness but "Jump" is the biggest heavy metal hit of the decade.
Finishing up that bit about #2 songs from 1982, the other two hits finish at #3 and #2, "Waiting For a Girl Like You" and "Open Arms". And those are indeed the only hits which did not hit #1 on Hot 100 but did so on R&R to appear in this countdown. 3 of those 4 are by groups who were looking for their first #1 hit on the Hot 100 at the time. 2 of them eventually did(Journey did not, but they got 2 on R&R). The only hit to spend 5 or more weeks at #2 on the Hot 100 in the 80s which did not appear in this countdown is the song that was blocked out by the #1 song on both charts, "Electric Avenue".
As for "Physical" it was nowhere to be found. The song that it blocked out on the Hot 100 and the song that knocked it out of the #1 spot there both made this countdown. Mentioned Waiting at #3 and the other is "I Can't Go For That". Ironically Hall & Oates only song in this countdown despite it being their only single week #1 of the 80s on the Hot 100 out of 5 that hit #1. Yes I realize that is based on R&R. Just interesting how the charts differ.
But also my fave of those 5 songs.
"Every Breath you Take" is that #1 and Sting wrote it in about 10 minutes in Jamaica where he was vacationing to get away from a difficult relationship. Writing the song in the middle of the night while playing it on the piano was the best thing for him because he was able to get release from his somber mood. Btw there were 234 songs which hit #1 in the 80s as Casey said.
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 9, 2020 9:51:25 GMT -5
The first half or so of 1982 may be the most divergent period of time between the Hot 100 and the R&R CHR chart until the Soundscan era began in 1991. Comparing chronologically the two charts:
"Physical" spent 10 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 placing it at #1 on the AT40 top hits of the 80s special in 1987 but failed to make the CT40 decade end countdown, based on the R&R chart.
"Waiting For a Girl Like You" spent 10 weeks at #2 on the Hot 100, failed to appear on the AT40 special but was #3 on the CT40 decade countdown
"I Can't Go For That" spent a week at #1 on the Hot 100, failed to appear on the AT40 special but was #5 on the CT40 decade countdown
"Centerfold" spent 6 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100, was on the AT40 special but failed to appear on the CT40 decade countdown
"Open Arms" spent 6 weeks at #2 on the Hot 100, failed to appear on the AT40 special but was #2 on the CT40 decade countdown
"I Love Rock & Roll" spent 7 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100, was on the AT40 special but failed to appear on the CT40 decade countdown
"Ebony and Ivory" spent 7 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100, was on the AT40 special but failed to appear on the CT40 decade countdown
"Don't Talk to Strangers" spent 4 weeks at #2 on the Hot 100, failed to appear on the AT40 special but was on the CT40 decade countdown
"Rosanna" spent 5 weeks at #2 on the Hot 100, failed to appear on the AT40 special but was on the CT40 decade countdown
Finally, the first and only song from 1982 that appeared on both shows was "Eye of the Tiger", which spent 6 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100. The next hit to spend 6 or more weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 was "Billie Jean" which was on the AT40 special but was not on the CT40 decade countdown. So all told in the year and a few months from late 1981 to the spring of 1983, there were 6 hits which spent at least 6 weeks at #1 on the Hot 100 and only one of those appeared on the CT40 decade countdown. And all 4 hits which spent at least 4 weeks at #2 on the Hot 100 in the first few months of this period did appear on the CT40 decade countdown. Btw, the only #2 hit to appear on the AT40 special was also from 1982.."Hurts so Good" and it, too did not appear on the CT40 decade countdown.
It has to be the most divergence between these charts in the 70s or 80s. It shows how radio preferred playing ballads (Waiting and Open) to upbeat songs(Physical, Centerfold, I Love) and may have had a racial bias(Ebony and Billie not as big on R&R chart). In fact, MJ did not have any hits from Thriller in the CT40 decade countdown with his only solo hit being "Man in the Mirror", though "Say Say Say" did appear. The AT40 special also had "Rock With You" in it.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 9, 2020 10:14:47 GMT -5
Great observations, dukelightning. I agree totally. It amazes me how slightly different the charts are when looking at specific weeks, but the big difference comes out at the end of the decade, when rankings are tallied. And it really shows in your example. It'd be interesting to apply the 1982 AT40 methodology combining points from both BB and R&R charts, either totaling them or averaging them, then re-rank them. It just makes no sense to me that some songs listed that should be among the biggest hits of the 1980s, were completely left off one show or the other. Which begs the question, which chart got it right? Or neither? |
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Post by adam31 on Jan 9, 2020 14:40:14 GMT -5
Great observations, dukelightning. I agree totally. It amazes me how slightly different the charts are when looking at specific weeks, but the big difference comes out at the end of the decade, when rankings are tallied. And it really shows in your example. It'd be interesting to apply the 1982 AT40 methodology combining points from both BB and R&R charts, either totaling them or averaging them, then re-rank them. It just makes no sense to me that some songs listed that should be among the biggest hits of the 1980s, were completely left off one show or the other. Which begs the question, which chart got it right? Or neither? I agree, great observations and I like seeing that info. I have committed to memory a lot of the Hot 100 records thanks to AT40, and have always leaned on Billboard being the "official" chart source, BUT there are two simple reasons why over the years as I've learned more information during this period (thanks to the posters on this site) I'm starting to think R&R got it right: 1) Billboard Chart Director during this era - Bill Wardlow 2) The stupid star/superstar - bullet system or whatever it was that said if a song had a "star" it couldn't drop. Those two problems alone artificially kept a lot of songs higher than they might have been. Or kept other songs from getting to #1. Or kept some songs from staying at #1 for several weeks. I mean, come on, "Waiting For A Girl Like You" is absolutely a #1 hit, and a multi-week #1 at that. Same with "Open Arms", both songs got TOTALLY HOSED! "I Can't Go For That" is a multi-week #1. "Physical" is NOT a #10 week record setting of all time song. Although I like it a lot, it's just NOT. "I Love Rock 'N Roll - Legendary song but probably not a 7 week #1, more like 3 or 4 weeks. |
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Post by adam31 on Jan 9, 2020 14:53:01 GMT -5
Regarding the statement that AT40 uses R&R for all its chart data but not for the #1 song of the 70s, I am sure it comes down to Casey doing the top hits of the 70s and not wanting to contradict what he said. I doubt he cared whether he contradicted himself because he constantly did this over a period of 10 years. The ONLY thing I don't like about Casey or Casey's Top 40/AT40 in the later years. The constant contradictions! They tried to work him out of that mess thankfully toward the end when they allowed him to phrase "The #1 song 10 years ago on our survey was:" and he started mentioning old AT40 #1s even from the Mainstream and Hot 100 airplay chart. I don't know if Premiere was a afraid of a Billboard lawsuit or whatever but hopefully that would explain the awful contradictions. |
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Post by doofus67 on Jan 10, 2020 9:22:43 GMT -5
Another divergent period involving the #1 songs in Billboard and R&R was the summer of 1979. There was a stretch of 11 weeks in a row in which the two charts' toppers were different. Comparing the upper reaches of the two charts in June, July, and August:
| BB peak | R&R peak | | "Hot Stuff" | #1 | #1 | | "Love You Inside Out" | #1 | #3 | | "The Logical Song" | #6 | #1 | | "Chuck E.'s in Love" | #4 | #1 | | "Ring My Bell" | #1 | #2 | | "She Believes in Me" | #5 | #1 | | "Bad Girls" | #1 | #2 | | "Shine a Little Love" | #7 | #1 | | "Gold" | #1 | #5 | | "The Main Event / Fight" | #3 | #1 | | "Good Times" | #1 | #3 | | "My Sharona" | #1 | #1 |
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Post by woolebull on Jan 11, 2020 22:24:31 GMT -5
Carpenter is a singer/actress. Her biggest chart impact on AT40 was in early 2017 with a minor hit called "Thumbs". IMHO it should have been a bigger hit than it was. I love that song. AT40 in general has evolved to the tastes of its current audience. It's not like the AT40 of old (most songs only get intro'd or outro'd, rarely both), but that doesn't mean it's *bad* by any means. It's more fast-paced to keep up with lower attention spans. This is shown in the music as well, as pop songs are heading back to running times more comparable to the 1970s, so less songs end up getting cut for time these days, even with the "AT40 Extras" dotting the show (usually 2 [and an optional third] per hour). Ryan Seacrest brings an energy back to the show harkening back to late-1970s Casey or 1990s Shadoe, and it works for what it needs to be in the modern world. Sadly, iHeart doesn't air reruns of the revival AT40 yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if we see a "the 2000s" dedicated channel in the near future [which would likely start with 1998, at least until they can get rights to CT40 and/or Shadoe AT40 hashed out]. After all, we started getting 1980s reruns in what? 2005? 2006?. EDIT: They *could* just separate the 6 years of Casey as "Casey Kasem's American Top 40: The Milennium". Hmm.. idea? I just found out via Wikipedia that Sabrina Carpenter is the niece of Nancy Cartwright who voices Bart Simpson and her acting debut was on Law & Order: SVU. EDIT: Just had another listen to more of this show and it's really good, Sabrina is very relateable to a radio audience and pays tribute to her fans by answering their questions in an interesting way. Sounds like she is having fun instead of mailing it in like some celebs tend to do. The music is so much better than the hard core rap that was on last time I listened a few years ago. Pop music may be back for now at least! Even Lizzo while rapping still sort of sings also. I'll probably start listening on a more regular basis from now on. Another point about the dynamics of the show: I remember when fans used to flame AT40 and Shadoe for the "No -nuttin" gimmick, now one bad thing I will say is now it is 10x worse. Most songs just have a number liner in between em. Hard to say why Ryan wouldn't have time to voice track his part each week pretty easily with the tech available today. As someone who didn't start listening to Ryan's AT regularly until 2016, I am glad you like it. I am glad that I have gotten back into listening to AT on a regular basis. Ryan does a great job, and the show has evolved well with the times. One thing I would say in regards to the "No-nuttin" gimmick, as a rule when there is a guest host there are very few intros or outros, at all. When Ryan is hosting, he does a good job of giving intros and outros. He might skip an intro here or there, but has gotten better over the years. This is especially helpful with "On The Verge" tracks in which Ryan always gives solid info. When a guest host is on, they just play the song which is frustrating. I usually have to pull Shazam out just to find out who I'm listening to! |
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Post by shadster on Jan 18, 2020 13:00:53 GMT -5
The songs were all ranked on the chart according to weeks at #1, which is how "Sucker" was #4 - it spent eight weeks on top. Thus, I have a feeling that "Blurred Lines" was originally at #2 (as it had been #1 for ten weeks, like both songs on either side of it), but the decision to exclude the song from the list for whatever reason was made before the show was sent out. Therefore, they had to voice a new #2 segment on the run, so there wasn't much time to find another song. Perhaps they went with "Glad You Came", as it was #1 song of its respective year. *This* This is the general consensus as to why "Blurred lines" was blurred out at the #2 spot where it should of resided. It is also believed that were was no "calculation" what so ever to create the Top Hits of 2010's. That the show is simply a compilation of the top 5 hits of every year end chart from the decade, thus the reason why we hear "#1's of the decade" mentioned twice by Ryan. As for charts, i'll throw out a few more resources for ya. - Since AT40.com did at one time post charts on their site going back to the turn of the century, you can use the wayback machine to go 'check them out": web.archive.org/web/20131009215757/http://www.at40.com/top-40- I'll also do a shameless plug for my own compilation of chart data using many resources: www.lionking.org/~shadow/charts.html- I found this lil handy website myat40.fandom.com/wiki/Charts which pretty much seems to have all of them in 1 place. - One can also use the pulsemusic message board as the AT40 chart is posted there every week and goes all the way back to 2003: pulsemusic.proboards.com/board/50/chr-pop - While the oldradioshows.com website seems to still be down (likely forever), you can still use the wayback machine to find charts from there, although I haven't had as much success pulling data from there but using this as an example: web.archive.org/web/20170626060426/http://oldradioshows.com/at40/072388.html you can certainly change the chart date to pull up whatever chart you want. - And theres this, which has CUE sheets which will give you the chart as well: charismusicgroup.com/calendar.htmDoes anyone still trade shows? I'd love to get a copy of the HAC version of the Top 40 of the decade. No, we're not allowed to discuss this here anymore here's a bit more on the history of the "re-runs" of AT40 AT40 Flashback started in the year 2001 an ran for 2 years, good education on that posted here: calbean.users3.50megs.com/at40/flashback.html (yes technically the show premiered on the last weekend of 2000) After that there was a lil bit of continuing on XM satellite radio for a short period of time, then nothing until 2006 when AT40 once again returned to XM radio. It would be a full year before AT40 The 80's came to fruition for terrestrial radio. However, Mix-107.7 in Dayton Ohio, continued to air AT40 Flashback even after the shows demise, from 2003 up until spring 2007 when AT40 The 80s hit the airwaves. It's always been believed that they got permission from Premiere to do so, but who knows. I'll also agree that the "no nothin" is prevalent on Guest hosted shows an not so much when Ryan hosts. Tis why I try to record the guest hosted shows as you'll hear more of the song, as opposed to when Ryan voices the show, its edited w/ his voice over top of a lot of the songs. It's guest hosted to give Ryan his week off. We all take vacations, use your paid time off or lose it right? Ryan should be no different. I'll also throw this out there, in regard to Ryan making tributes to Casey: The greatest tribute was obviously the 40th Anniversary show, on 7/4/2010, AT40 produced a tribute show to Casey. While it was just a regular weekly survey, through-out the show there were exerts from shows Casey hosted over the years and also included listener feedback on the show: pulsemusic.proboards.com/thread/98284/american-top-july-3rd-2010 |
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Jan 18, 2020 14:25:02 GMT -5
here's a bit more on the history of the "re-runs" of AT40 AT40 Flashback started in the year 2001 an ran for 2 years, good education on that posted here: calbean.users3.50megs.com/at40/flashback.html (yes technically the show premiered on the last weekend of 2000) Just a quick note to let you know that the "calbean.users3.50megs.com" is an old & non-updated back-up of my site. Try this for an updated version: www.at40fan.info/at40/flashback.html |
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Dec 8, 2020 0:49:13 GMT -5
I'm gonna go ahead and predict that the #1 song of 2020 is "Blinding Lights" by The Weeknd. It has been in the top 10 since 3/21. If it wasn't for that long run, I'd pick Post Malone's "Circles", which had a lengthy top 10 run as well, including three separate stints at #1, not done on AT40 since Chic's "Le Freak" back in early 1979.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Dec 8, 2020 7:45:29 GMT -5
Just want to ask, is Sabrina Carpenter related to the late Karen Carpenter?
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Dec 8, 2020 10:16:03 GMT -5
Just want to ask, is Sabrina Carpenter related to the late Karen Carpenter? Maybe super distantly. Her aunt is Nancy Cartwright, best known as the voice of Bart Simpson. Ironically, I listened to the beginning of the 1/4/2020 show last night, which Sabrina guest-hosted. I have just about all the shows from this year. |
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Post by mkarns on Dec 27, 2020 18:02:06 GMT -5
I'm gonna go ahead and predict that the #1 song of 2020 is "Blinding Lights" by The Weeknd. It has been in the top 10 since 3/21. If it wasn't for that long run, I'd pick Post Malone's "Circles", which had a lengthy top 10 run as well, including three separate stints at #1, not done on AT40 since Chic's "Le Freak" back in early 1979. And you're right. "Blinding Lights" and "Circles" were #1 and #2 for 2020. The 2020 year end countdown was marked by one major historic AT40 inaccuracy. Ryan stated that Dick Clark was the first ever AT40 guest host, when in fact it was Dave Hull, several months earlier. Dick Clark's intro into his 3/25/72 guest hosted show was played, and was followed by Ryan plugging "New Year's Rockin' Eve", which Clark started and Seacrest keeps up yearly. That led into an AT40 Rewind extra of Miley Cyrus' "Party In the USA". |
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. The music isn't bad though and she is doing a good job. There are a lot of listeners asking her questions, I would have to say I am glad AT40 is being passed on to a new generation of listeners who may be as excited to hear it as we were when Casey and Shadoe were on.
