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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 7:01:52 GMT -5
Thank you, tarobe. I'm glad to see someone got my original point.
Unfortunately, I DO have to call out Mr. Michaels, who does great retro 60s countdown shows, but put the integrity of his moniker into question due to statements he made for this thread.
It's quite clear he knows absolutely nothing about hip hop, but is also clueless about the history of rock n roll, because it plays a HUGE part in it. Yet, he calls himself an expert.
Hip hop HARDLY plays a role in old rock N roll. Considering the first rap record was Here Comes The Judge in 1968 and Rock was around for 17 years at that point...
Now, old R&B did morph into rock and roll. But thats not rap, WORLD of difference.
I do know alot about rap/Hip Hop (sadly) I have been a mobile DJ for almost 20 years in addition to being a radio DJ and now internet dj (of sorts) with my 60's show.
Do I know EVERYTHING EVER about music, no, but I'm sure close to knowing the IMPORTANT STUFF! (Line ups of groups, songs, years, lengths of songs, hits, non hits, who sold records VS who didn't etc...) Do I know about the HITMAKERS of rap? Yes. Do I know anything about the street thug gangsta rap? No, that is less "music" than the stuff on the charts. Besides its not that popular, or it WOULD be on the charts, radio play or not.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 7:04:56 GMT -5
Though I'd love to slap rap in the face by calling it a novelty, Saying it would slap good novelty artists like Weird Al and Ray Stevens in the face...
Novelty records are generally weird and funny. Rap is rarely funny, though weird.
I personally LOVE comedy, so I don't mind when a novelty record makes the charts. I love it in fact. Heck, listen to my show for the week of the 25th and you'll see what Bonus Track made the show!
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 15, 2011 8:18:26 GMT -5
To say Jeff Michaels is clueless about the roots of rock & roll is most surprising. Here is a man doing a countdown on the '60s and he was not even born until the next decade was starting to wind down. If you heard this countdown and did not know his age, you would think he was well into his 50s. reachinforthestars, you and I have something in common.....when we stopped listening to top 40 radio or any similar format. It has been 15 years since I listened to such a format. Looks like I have not missed much.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 8:41:55 GMT -5
Yes, Dukedeb. I am 35 currently (born in 1976) I know most of the stories I tell on all the shows I do, I do try to VERIFY things like years and facts that are hazy, but I rarely have to research to get the stories I tell on the show.
I usually surprise the older artists I meet with my knowledge. One of the fake Guess Who members that Jim Kale trots out was embarrassed that I knew more about the band than him. Ron Bushy Of Iron Butterfly (who was on every album they released) was surprised at my vast knowledge on the band.
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 9:06:45 GMT -5
I am defending hip hop's presence in the Top 40 and how it's treated amongst other genres competing with it. People are entitled to believe whether or not it's considered music. (I personally think it is, but that's beside the point.) I've read too many posts complaining these records don't belong on the charts or don't deserve their success or exposure. But I rarely if ever read this of rherotic for a NOVELTY RECORD!!! Is the point of why I started to sound a little more clear? blackbowl68, you are answering your original question to a degree. The fact that hip hop is being questioned as music or that the quality of music in much of hip hop is being questioned, such that it can feasibly be compared to novelty records is where I believe many people have a problem with it. I maintain that I do like good hip hop and respect the quality of music that resides in good hip hop. It's just that a good percentage of it is not good music (relative to that of most other genres).
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 9:09:52 GMT -5
I would say that that "good percentage" not being good is about 90%. Very few are talented enough to produce their own sounds with real, non synthesized instruments.
Most of them rip off an old song and recreate it which ruins the original IMHO.
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 9:13:31 GMT -5
I would say that that "good percentage" not being good is about 90%. Very few are talented enough to produce their own sounds with real, non synthesized instruments. Most of them rip off an old song and recreate it which ruins the original IMHO. OK well, I am trying not to be too harsh, but...90% is probably a good number. And you probably already read my rants in earlier posts about over sampling...but I won't open that can of worms again.
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Post by statenislandfan on Jul 15, 2011 9:39:29 GMT -5
The role of Hip Hop in the Top 40 caused AT40 to be dropped by many stations and go off the air for 3 years. Blame it on sound scan or radio stations fragmenting their formats or even The Shadoe. Unless you were born in the late '80's, you might have grew up on Hip Hop. The current top 40 audience back then grew up in the 70's and 80's and were not interested in artists like Snow,Sirmixalot and B.I.G. and these artists all hit number 1 on the BB singles chart. All I know is when sound scan was started in the '90's, strange entries were coming into the hot 100 and the top 40. Look at today. How many songs from Glee made the singles chart? Over 100? It was being compared with The Beatles and Elvis. You gotta be kidding.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 9:41:24 GMT -5
Yeah, say what you want but there is a WORLD of difference between the 100+ Glee songs making the top 40 for ONE WEEK and what Elvis and The Beatles did.
They need to go back to the old way.
While they're at it, retroactively change things based on what it SHOULD have been!
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Post by statenislandfan on Jul 15, 2011 9:49:38 GMT -5
Not only Glee songs that debut high on the chart for 1 week then fell out. There are others too that fit this category. All these reality contest shows. (The Voice, Idol etc.)
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 15, 2011 10:02:02 GMT -5
Yeah, how about songs by Idol winners that debut and peak at #1 and then fall off!
The rap is bad, but think how AT40 would sound if they included all that!
In at #35, such and such from High School Musical, now at #34, here's another one from High School Musical: BLAH BLAH.
High School Musical had several of them all in the same week.
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 15, 2011 10:05:20 GMT -5
If I am reading this right, you guys now are comparing the very hip hop music that you are trying to defend to...novelty songs?? No, you're not.
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Post by matt on Jul 15, 2011 10:08:54 GMT -5
Yeah, say what you want but there is a WORLD of difference between the 100+ Glee songs making the top 40 for ONE WEEK and what Elvis and The Beatles did. They need to go back to the old way. While they're at it, retroactively change things based on what it SHOULD have been! Amen brotha!
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 15, 2011 10:13:48 GMT -5
And tagging a genre with 32-I repeat-32 years of commercial recordings and still-going mass popularity as a novelty can only be one of two things: a) ignorance; b) intellectual dishonesty. If not, it's just seriously unhinged; I'm sorry, but it just is.
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Post by tarobe on Jul 15, 2011 10:13:57 GMT -5
I've been reading these posts and it seems like what I've been hearing is (excuse my salty language, please):
"Everybody's listening to this rap crap! It ain't music! It's noise! It's taken over! It's replacing all the good music!"
Let's go back, shall we?
1977:
"Everybody's listening to this disco crap! It ain't music! It's noise! It's taken over! It's replacing all the good music!"
1957:
"Everybody's listening to this rock and roll crap! It ain't music! It's noise! It's taken over! It's replacing all the good music!"
1927:
"Everybody's listening to this jazz crap! It ain't music! It's noise! It's taken over! It's replacing all the good music!"
Come on, people! Get over it! I hate rap, but it's here to stay. I hate that growling junk they call "heavy metal" too, but it's here to stay, too.
I wish they'd go back to the old days, too. But Top 40 radio on AM, in mono, ain't coming back. Neither is the 8-track tape, or the 39 cent gallon of gas, or the TV antenna, or Pre-Sweetened Kool-Aid, or the 12-cent comic book.
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