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Post by tarobe on Jul 14, 2011 9:50:41 GMT -5
I don't hear this kind of rhetoric expressed towards any other type of music. Really? Heavy metal gets the same thrashing. In fact, it was the increasing amount of rap and metal within the Top 40 that led to a change in the charts that were used for the Top 40. I'm sure other genres, such as country, bluegrass, polka, whatever, have their enemies. As a rule, I personally detested about half of what was on American Top 40 during its "classic" period (1970-1988). But it was varied, and that variety is what made it interesting.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 14, 2011 11:12:33 GMT -5
Thats why I do an additional show to my 60's countdown: The Jeff Michaels Show. I play a little bit of everything. Most of it NOT top 40 hits. I prefer non top 40 most of the time, but love AT40 because of the stories and Casey's way of telling them.
The top 40 was good until the soundscan era. Thats when anything not straight regular rock, pop or rap disappeared from the charts.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Jul 14, 2011 11:13:31 GMT -5
"sophomoric unlistenable dreck"
Thats the nicest way I' can think of to refer to it as.... lol ;-D
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Post by upland1425 on Jul 14, 2011 11:16:50 GMT -5
Hey Shadster, Glad you edit out these rappers from otherwise good songs! BTW, there is a non Pitbull edit of On The Floor out there available, sadly it doesn't get the airplay! At least some Hot AC stations, such as WRWM-FM i-94 in Indianapolis, play the non-Pitbull edit of On The Floor
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 14, 2011 11:58:38 GMT -5
"Kids these days and the music they listen to..."
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 14, 2011 17:11:28 GMT -5
Whether or not hip hop is considered music is not the point. It gets recorded, it sells in stores (or downloaded these days), and competes on the charts. American Top 40 is based on a ranking of RECORDS or RECORDINGS, not MUSIC or SONGS. (Apparently, someone forgot about a certain #4 record from early 1974.) My argument is why is "this form of entertainment" treated as blasphemous or undeserving when it becomes successful on the Hot 100. (I'm speaking from the pre-Soundscan period.)
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 14, 2011 17:20:33 GMT -5
American Top 40 is based on a ranking of RECORDS or RECORDINGS, not MUSIC or SONGS. (Apparently, someone forgot about a certain #4 record from early 1974). This one? I'd never heard it before. And quite frankly, I find this thing ridiculous. But then my patience with jingoistic chest-thumping was always very low - even if it comes from a foreigner praising another country!
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 14, 2011 17:22:14 GMT -5
Shadster wrote: Speaking for myself, it was defintly this century's Rap/HipHop takeover of the TOp40 that formed my personal hatred towards the genre. Unlike most ppl though, I still listen to CHR. I do a lot of editing though, to eliminate the rap: I re-edited the J Lo song "On the floor" to delete Pitbull, also removed Tinnie Tempah from the "Written in the stars" song, only Eric Turner remains, and it took A LOT of editing to delete Kayne West from the Daft Punk song "Stronger". But those are NOW good songs I.M.O. (after my edits). Strange thing is, I used to actually like rap. Now I go out of my way to eliminate it from songs to create a listenable Top40. But thats just me. I guess the only problem I have w/ Rap/HH is its invasion of Top40. Rap/HH should go back an stay where it belongs, on the Urban stations! Thats what urban stations are for right?? Really, shadster...Really!? OK...that is just DOWNRIGHT SAD!!! You take Kanye out of his OWN RECORD?!? I hope to God you are NOT a radio station PD!! That's beyond hatred; that's a VENDETTA!!! What you do is the equivalent of buying a Van Halen and erasing ALL of Eddie's guitar solos!
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 14, 2011 17:36:50 GMT -5
Yes, jaxxalude, that one. And it DID sell over a MILLION COPIES!!! So therefore, QUITE A FEW record buyers thought highly of it!! (and it was a COVER version,...with the ORIGINAL further down the chart IN THE SAME WEEK!!)
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Post by jaxxalude on Jul 14, 2011 17:41:45 GMT -5
The part of shadster's post that I actually found quite, well, shaky was this one: I guess the only problem I have w/ Rap/HH is its invasion of Top40. Rap/HH should go back an stay where it belongs, on the Urban stations! Thats what urban stations are for right?? Shad, Top 40 is supposed to play a bit of everything, as long as it's popular with a mass audience. And since hip-hop is exactly that after 32 years of commercial recordings on the market, this just doesn't make any sense at all, fullstop. I mean no disrespect, but you know what? If I wanted to get all Fox News (i.e., take things completely out of context to suit an agenda) on you, I'd immediately single this out as an obvious sign of Jim Crow-esque ideals at play!
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Post by matt on Jul 14, 2011 20:57:12 GMT -5
If I am reading this right, you guys now are comparing the very hip hop music that you are trying to defend to...novelty songs??
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 14, 2011 21:38:13 GMT -5
I am defending hip hop's presence in the Top 40 and how it's treated amongst other genres competing with it. People are entitled to believe whether or not it's considered music. (I personally think it is, but that's beside the point.) I've read too many posts complaining these records don't belong on the charts or don't deserve their success or exposure. But I rarely if ever read this of rherotic for a NOVELTY RECORD!!!
Is the point of why I started to sound a little more clear?
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Post by tarobe on Jul 15, 2011 0:26:28 GMT -5
First of all, let me make this clear. I don't like rap. I'm from another time and another culture. However, I agree with blackbowl68. It is a valid, commercial kind of music, and as such, has just as much a right to be on the charts as pop, country, R&B, jazz, rock and roll, folk, blues, classical, heavy metal (which also gets ostracized) or anything else.
Those that say rap is not music or that its instrumentation or production is somehow phoney and artificial deserve no comment. Such close-mindedness is foolish. I can rave all day about how various kinds of music (not just rap, but several other genres) don't conform to MY specifications of what "good" music should be, and then give strong examples of what "good" music is (all, coincidentally, acts I listen to on a regular basis).
And don't tell it ain't art. An art form is just that: an art form. And hip-hop is an art form, like every other kind of music. Like it (I don't) or not.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Jul 15, 2011 1:10:13 GMT -5
Thank you, tarobe. I'm glad to see someone got my original point. Unfortunately, I DO have to call out Mr. Michaels, who does great retro 60s countdown shows, but put the integrity of his moniker into question due to statements he made for this thread. It's quite clear he knows absolutely nothing about hip hop, but is also clueless about the history of rock n roll, because it plays a HUGE part in it. Yet, he calls himself an expert.
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Post by reachinforthestars on Jul 15, 2011 2:10:26 GMT -5
I've read too many posts complaining these records don't belong on the charts or don't deserve their success or exposure. But I rarely if ever read this of rherotic for a NOVELTY RECORD!!! Then you have missed a number of my posts because I generally do not like novelty records, no matter the era. I consider rap a novelty. And rap is was one of the primary reasons why I stopped listening to radio in the 90's. I never returned. I was able to tolerate some songs by editing out the rap portions of songs I loved otherwise. It was a local radio station that gave me this idea when one evening I heard a version of "Dirty Cash (Money Talks)" by the Adventures Of Stevie V where the rap bridge was missing. Thanks to that edit, the song ended up being my favorite record of 1990.
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