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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 8, 2020 8:33:33 GMT -5
I remember hearing that audio clip somewhere a few months back. I was really young when he died, but can somewhat remember my parents' reaction. It's very interesting to hear the AT40-era Cash Box charts in countdown form, and comparing the differences. The song that just vacated #1 in this show was still a week away from hitting #1 in Billboard. Thank you again for all the shows, Joe! The one interesting thing is that Woman spent 4 weeks at #1 in R&R , during February, before moving into the top spot in Cash Box for two weeks in March, 1981. Just a few months after this show, Dick Clark would begin the National Music Survey, which utilized the Cash Box charts for about 18 months and then Rick Dees would use the charts for 1983-84. I know Billboard charged AT40 to use their charts, but can't find any info if Cash Box charged a fee--and I know Radio & Records didn't charge to use their charts, which is why so many countdown shows began to use them in the 1980's. In addition, I figure radio would rather play a countdown show that reflected what their were actually playing (R&R) , than what was selling (Billboard/Cash Box).
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Post by 1finemrg on Dec 21, 2020 6:39:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the wonderful Christmas present, Joe. Your efforts have been a godsend throughout this trying year.
Wishing you and your family a safe and joyous holiday season.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 21, 2020 8:03:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the wonderful Christmas present, Joe. Your efforts have been a godsend throughout this trying year. Wishing you and your family a safe and joyous holiday season. Thanks and the same to all the members of this message board. Here is the last regular Top 40 countdown from the 1960's via Cash Box magazine--for the week ending December 27, 1969. archive.org/details/1969122701Happy Holidays to all-- Joe
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Post by skyseth on Dec 21, 2020 11:00:21 GMT -5
Thanks very much Joe, happy holidays too.
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 28, 2020 10:45:31 GMT -5
I am really enjoying the Top 100 1968 Cashbox Countdown, and thanks Joe for your hard work. I found it poetic justice that "Dock of the Bay" couldn't reach #1 on the CB chart, as it had for four weeks on BB, but reached a higher position for the year--#4 for the year than on BB.
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 29, 2020 8:31:31 GMT -5
I am enjoying the 1965 Countdown so much! So now for anyone who wants to explain the mysterious calculation of the Top 100--(strange indeed):
#1 record of the year and its weekly chart performance: 63, 26, 13, 7, 3, 1, 4, 7, 9, 31, 41 (off weekly chart) 11 weeks
competitor (#5): 66, 14, 6, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 6, 18, 31, 34 (off weekly chart) 14 weeks
If you look at the first 11 weeks of competitor every week except first week with three less points exceeds #1.
How can this happen? I may have voiced this previously, so please excuse my old age for repetition.
May all our posters especially on this thread have a Blessed New Year. Jeff
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 29, 2020 8:54:38 GMT -5
I am enjoying the 1965 Countdown so much! So now for anyone who wants to explain the mysterious calculation of the Top 100--(strange indeed): #1 record of the year and its weekly chart performance: 63, 26, 13, 7, 3, 1, 4, 7, 9, 31, 41 (off weekly chart) 11 weeks competitor (#5): 66, 14, 6, 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 3, 6, 18, 31, 34 (off weekly chart) 14 weeks If you look at the first 11 weeks of competitor every week except first week with three less points exceeds #1. How can this happen? I may have voiced this previously, so please excuse my old age for repetition. May all our posters especially on this thread have a Blessed New Year. Jeff, You are not the only one who questioned the choice of Cash Box Magazine's #1 single of 1965. Randy Price , who posted their weekly charts on the internet, also questioned how Back In My Arms Again was chosen, suggesting that Help me Rhonda (#30 on year end survey) had a similar chart run. I wonder if the guys at Cash Box were reluctant to place a song that reached #2 , on the weekly charts, into the #1 position on the year end chart--even though it's point total should have probably placed it there--and it didn't stop Billboard from making Wooly Bully #1 for the year. Happy New Year to all-- Joe
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 29, 2020 9:48:19 GMT -5
I will have to check if "Wooly Bully" had more points than "Back In My Arms Again." If I had the initiative, I would see exactly how many songs had more points than BIMAA. Only variable I don't know is if CB awarded bonus points for #1.
This is more puzzling if CB gave bonus points for #1s as in "Satisfaction," which held four weeks at #1.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 29, 2020 10:51:05 GMT -5
I will have to check if "Wooly Bully" had more points than "Back In My Arms Again." If I had the initiative, I would see exactly how many songs had more points than BIMAA. Only variable I don't know is if CB awarded bonus points for #1. This is more puzzling if CB gave bonus points for #1s as in "Satisfaction," which held four weeks at #1. Jeff, Cash Box says the 1965 year end chart is based on records that "achieved the greatest success on the weekly charts" and that it covers a 12 month period ending November 15th. Although, Mr. Lonely by Bobby Vinton (#3 on the 1965 year end chart), spent a total of 16 weeks on their chart and spent three weeks at #2--but I wonder if they counted the songs whole chart life (since it debuted on the chart in October, 1964). Wooly Bully was at#2 for one week--and was on the Cash Box charts for a total of 18 weeks--and the Supremes at #1, was at the top for one week and only on the chart for 11 weeks. As you suggest, Satisfaction (placing at #5 on the year end survey) spent 4 weeks at #1 and was on the chart for 14 weeks; seems a more likely candidate for top single of the year. Joe
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Post by djjoe1960 on Dec 29, 2020 10:56:41 GMT -5
And now here it is--the Top 100 of 1969--as listed in Cash Box Magazine's December 27, 1969 issue. Although I did make one change on the countdown, as Cash Box listed the same song at #12 and #31--S-T-R-A-N-G-E. Enjoy the 7 hour extravaganza here-- archive.org/details/196910001Happy New Year to everyone-- Joe
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Dec 29, 2020 11:24:18 GMT -5
Thank you, djjoe1960! Wishing you and yours a Happy New Year. Thank you for all your shows! 🙂
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 29, 2020 15:20:33 GMT -5
Now for the $64,000 question--was "Easy To Be Hard" #12 or was it #31. And secondly, what song would have occupied the position that "Easy To Be Hard" didn't fill?
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 29, 2020 15:50:04 GMT -5
Joe, could it be "Put A Little Love in Your Heart?" I looked up and down the Top 100 chart and didn't see the aforementioned. Do you recall playing PALLIYH? The song peaked at #4 and I would think it would fit in the "missing 31 position."
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Dec 29, 2020 16:10:41 GMT -5
I think we'll just have to listen to the countdown to find out. 🙂😊
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 29, 2020 16:25:55 GMT -5
OWTC--I like following along with the Cashbox charts which match up with what Joe plays. It was the mystery that he mentioned with "Easy to Be Hard" having two positions, and figuring out which song was missing.
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