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Post by mga707 on Jul 22, 2021 10:09:56 GMT -5
If you mean 'when did Cashbox cease publication?'. their final issue was dated November 16, 1996. He probably means when did their quality hit such a turning point that it sent them into death spiral, therefore leading them to cease publication in 1996. Probably. And how I wish the phrase 'jump the shark', which itself has 'jumped the shark', would go away...  |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 22, 2021 11:10:11 GMT -5
If you mean 'when did Cashbox cease publication?'. their final issue was dated November 16, 1996. He probably means when did their quality hit such a turning point that it sent them into death spiral, therefore leading them to cease publication in 1996. No, I mean when their charts lost all credibility. Remember this debacle. This was the all time chart manipulation. RSO would be jealous. thjkoc.net/2008/12/12/mystery-letter/ |
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Post by Mike on Jul 22, 2021 13:32:07 GMT -5
He probably means when did their quality hit such a turning point that it sent them into death spiral, therefore leading them to cease publication in 1996. No, I mean when their charts lost all credibility. Same thing, more or less? (Or else otherwise, not that far apart.) "The Letter" would be the answer for a semi-casual observer, but I'm curious to hear the perspective from someone who's looked at their charts more in depth. (Would the answer be the same thing? If so, why? If not, why?) |
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Post by doofus67 on Jul 22, 2021 15:29:35 GMT -5
Personally for me, the shark jump happened in the summer of 1990.
In July, there was, mysteriously, a week with no Cash Box at all. New Kids on the Block got a default fourth week at #1, then held on for a fifth week when the magazine returned. (Singles sales were on the rise, so the upper reaches of the chart were quietly slowing down.)
In September, Prince "stole" a seventh CB #1. This song missed the top five altogether in Billboard and made it only to #4 in Radio & Records. (Prince seemed to be a long-time "pet" artist of CB, ending up with 10 toppers.)
Perhaps hindsight is 20/20. These are anomalies mainly because I'm looking at them 20-30 years later.
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Post by Hervard on Jul 22, 2021 15:41:12 GMT -5
He probably means when did their quality hit such a turning point that it sent them into death spiral, therefore leading them to cease publication in 1996. Probably. And how I wish the phrase 'jump the shark', which itself has 'jumped the shark', would go away... It is indeed pretty camp. People who still use it are cray-cray. That's about all, bae.  (Sorry, just couldn't resist...) |
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Post by chrislc on Jul 22, 2021 16:41:16 GMT -5
Probably. And how I wish the phrase 'jump the shark', which itself has 'jumped the shark', would go away... It is indeed pretty camp. People who still use it are cray-cray. That's about all, bae. (Sorry, just couldn't resist...) IMO Happy Days jumped the shark years before Fonzie jumped a shark. It was when Garry Marshall decided to film before a live audience. And it was only an average show before that. So if the phrase is meant to describe the moment when something good became something bad, in this case, when Fonzie jumped the shark, it was more the moment when something awful became even more horrible. |
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Post by djjoe1960 on Jul 22, 2021 17:40:46 GMT -5
Great article about buying music in Atlanta during the 1970's--since I was a teen doing just that, at the time--bringing back many great memories and fascinating insights as to how the music business worked at the time. I recall mostly buying discs 45's/LP's) from Turtles, near my house, but about once every 6 months going into the Peaches Atlanta store and being overwhelmed by how much more product they carried. In addition, they left the three main trades out (BB/CB/RW) so I could get their addresses and try to get a complimentary issue saying I was going into the business and was thinking of subscribing. Both Billboard and Record World sent me an issue from the same week (May 5, 1979) and I studied them like crazy--comparing their pop singles listings. Sort of ironic, that nearly 40 years later I would decide to host a countdown based on Cash Box magazine, since they were the only ones to not send me my 'free' copy. Although, I chose CB since their charts were available for free on the internet--and not for any real love for the quality of their charts. Joe Cash Box Countdown When did Cashbox jump the shark? The creditability of the Cash Box chart(s) probably came about when both Dick Clark & Rick Dees stopped using their pop single chart for their countdown show(s). When Record World ceased publication in April, 1982, Cash Box didn't really pick up any more advertising from the music companies--which indicated to me that the quality of their charts must have been questionable to the industry (if they were unwilling to spend their advertising dollars in CB). While Cash Box had a few questionable songs peak at some unusual positions during the years, their real downfall came during the 1990's. For an interesting read on reall chart manipulations, check out this article about how a Cash Box chart researcher was killed in the late 1980's... www.nashvillescene.com/news/with-a-bullet/article_13e59932-25b7-5c66-bcf0-0502031c8e9d.html |
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Post by mga707 on Jul 22, 2021 18:14:03 GMT -5
IMO Happy Days jumped the shark years before Fonzie jumped a shark. It was when Garry Marshall decided to film before a live audience. And it was only an average show before that. So if the phrase is meant to describe the moment when something good became something bad, in this case, when Fonzie jumped the shark, it was more the moment when something awful became even more horrible. Totally agree. The start of the third season, fall of '75. Which was also when that awful 'faux-'50s' Pratt and McClain song replaced "Rock Around the Clock" as the show's opening theme. The Haley classic's use in the first season and a half (the show debuted as a mid-season entry, in January '74) is the reason "Rock Around the Clock" re-charted that year, peaking at #39 the week ending May 25. |
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Post by Mike on Jul 22, 2021 22:58:14 GMT -5
The creditability of the Cash Box chart(s) probably came about when both Dick Clark & Rick Dees stopped using their pop single chart for their countdown show(s). When Record World ceased publication in April, 1982, Cash Box didn't really pick up any more advertising from the music companies--which indicated to me that the quality of their charts must have been questionable to the industry (if they were unwilling to spend their advertising dollars in CB). While Cash Box had a few questionable songs peak at some unusual positions during the years, their real downfall came during the 1990's. For an interesting read on reall chart manipulations, check out this article about how a Cash Box chart researcher was killed in the late 1980's... www.nashvillescene.com/news/with-a-bullet/article_13e59932-25b7-5c66-bcf0-0502031c8e9d.htmlI remember seeing A&E show an episode about this, though I forget what show it was. Nonetheless, this and "The Letter" are what convinced me of the ability of the Cash Box charts to be, well, "funny". |
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Post by woolebull on Jul 23, 2021 11:20:05 GMT -5
I did a little research on the "Spirits Having Flown" tour. It started just a couple of weeks after "Love You Inside Out" hit the top. Fun fact: the Bee Gees only played two songs from "Spirits Having Flown" throughout the tour. I bet you all can guess which #1 of theirs never made the setlist. |
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Post by chrislc on Jul 23, 2021 14:05:38 GMT -5
I did a little research on the "Spirits Having Flown" tour. It started just a couple of weeks after "Love You Inside Out" hit the top. Fun fact: the Bee Gees only played two songs from "Spirits Having Flown" throughout the tour. I bet you all can guess which #1 of theirs never made the setlist. I always thought Love You Inside Out was the best of the three (and Too Much Heaven is really good). But it would have been better without Barry's grating falsetto. I think he sold his legacy, if not his soul, to the devil when he began using that falsetto on Main Course and then doubled and tripled etc. down with it. |
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Post by Hervard on Jul 23, 2021 17:46:14 GMT -5
I did a little research on the "Spirits Having Flown" tour. It started just a couple of weeks after "Love You Inside Out" hit the top. Fun fact: the Bee Gees only played two songs from "Spirits Having Flown" throughout the tour. I bet you all can guess which #1 of theirs never made the setlist. I always thought Love You Inside Out was the best of the three (and Too Much Heaven is really good). But it would have been better without Barry's grating falsetto. I think he sold his legacy, if not his soul, to the devil when he began using that falsetto on Main Course and then doubled and tripled etc. down with it. "Tragedy" was my favorite of the three number ones from Spirits Having Flown - as well as one of my favorites by the band overall. "Too Much Heaven" was a distant third, as I always thought that one was way too maudlin. "Love You Inside Out" was my second favorite pretty much by default. |
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Post by doofus67 on Jul 23, 2021 18:45:36 GMT -5
I always thought Love You Inside Out was the best of the three (and Too Much Heaven is really good). My sentiments exactly. |
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Post by woolebull on Jul 24, 2021 16:04:25 GMT -5
I always thought Love You Inside Out was the best of the three (and Too Much Heaven is really good). My sentiments exactly. Same here. "Blow out the candles I will burn again tomorrow" is one of my favorite one line lyrics in history. |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 30, 2021 20:42:50 GMT -5
Ooh la la look at the 8/1/81 country chart: Alabama fell 43-1. Other tunes dropped 45-2 and 46-6.
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