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Post by woolebull on Dec 31, 2019 0:05:30 GMT -5
Just listened to the decade-end countdown, and just like the 1990s, there was a #1 song of the year that did not make the decade-end top 40. That was "Blurred Lines" by Robin Thicke, which was the #1 song of 2013. It wasn't even an extra during the show. Several #1 songs of the year ranked low in this show too, making me wonder what their methodology was. However, the top 2 songs of the decade were #1 songs of the year, 2012 and 2017, respectively. And on the HAC decade countdown, the #1 song of 2014 ("Best Day of My Life" IIRC) was not in it (at least the top 40, played an as extra). Btw the 70s also had a #1 song of a year which did not make the top 40 ("The Way We Were"), though it did place at #47 and was on the decade countdown of the top 50. Other notes from the countdown, Ryan mentioned how Portugal the Man was the first act from Alaska to make the top 40 this decade, leaving Wyoming and Delaware as the only states that have not produced a top 40 act. My guess is George Thorogood and the Delaware Destroyers have come the closest from that state with "Willie and the Hand Jive" reaching #63 in 1985. Have no idea about Wyoming. Ryan made a slight mistake when he said the 4 members of One Direction were all in the top 40 the same week in 2017, that such a scenario had not happened since 1974 when the 4 Beatles did it. It actually happened a few weeks later in 1975 with a different set of songs. It is amazing how short songs have become as Ryan commented that there are more songs less than 3 minutes than not and you have to go back to the 60s for the last time that was the case. Which means they could theoretically go back to a 3 hour show. I am wondering how many times Ryan has mentioned the Hot 100 in connection with something that happened this century. He mentioned how the Glee Cast had amassed a record 207 entries on that chart. I would guess that most of the times he has mentioned it was in connection with something during the time that AT40 used the Hot 100 chart. Maroon 5 after having the #2 song of the 2000s has the #1 song of the 2010s. Ed Sheeran matched Andy Gibb having the #1 song of the year in consecutive years in 2017 and 2018 but to nearly have the #1 song of consecutive decades is a feat in itself. Of course Adele matched MJ in having the #1 album of consecutive years as Ryan alluded to(with the same album of course). |
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Post by DJ Particle on Dec 31, 2019 3:06:13 GMT -5
8 weeks at #1 and "Apologize" is relegated to an extra?! Ryan says that in the first season of American Idol(2002), he said people could text their response and no one knew what texting was! In its infancy back then. To hear Ryan say "We Belong Together" spent 12 weeks at #1, longer than any #1 song in AT40 history and then play it at #15 seems odd. And that is wrong now that I think about it. "The Sign" spent 13 weeks at #1 in 1994. I would think that because AT 40 used Radio and Record charts for its gauge (or at least from the inception of R and R from 1973 forward), "The Sign"' and its run would not be a part of their chart history. However...Donna Lewis would so Ryan should at least have said that "We Belong Together" tied the mark. Since Donna Lewis was even mentioned on the show, it would have made sense. Something I just thought of: if AT now uses R and R stats, then why was "You Light Up My Life" named the biggest song of the 70's on the 00 decade special? Wasn't "Don't Go Breaking My Heart" the biggest song of the 70's on R and R? Probably because there actually was an AT40 decade-end show of the 1970s, and they don't want to easily ignore it (since they air that chart on the Classic feed at times). However, there was NOT a decade-end chart of the 1980s, so they were able to just state R&R's #1 of the 1980s ("Every Breath You Take"), basically making it the official AT40 #1 of the 1980s, despite the Hot 100 placing "Physical" there. To be frank, we don't know if AT40 would have just used the Hot 100 for the 1980s decade-end chart or their own compilation (using only the top 40 point system) as they were occasionally wont to do at the time (and would do so again for the 1990 chart). Strangely enough though, when Casey Kasem brought AT40 back, and on year-end shows would talk about what songs finished at the top in previous years...for 1989-1994 he used CT40's charts from R&R instead of acknowledging those charts from Classic AT40. |
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 31, 2019 9:10:58 GMT -5
I think they were inconsistent with "You Light Up My Life" and "Every Breath You Take". If they state that YLUML is the #1 song of the 70s because it was stated as such in a show, the top hits of the 70s, then the same should apply to the 80s. Now there was no such show at the end of the 80s but there was a show of the 80s top hits, in July 1987 where Breath was #4 and "Physical" was #1. Now I can understand things changing in this day and age where spins are being tracked and can therefore change rankings. But in the 80s it was all about the charts and nothing else. So obviously both of those records chart runs happened well before 1987 and thus, nothing could change the rankings in the last 2 and a half years of the decade. So they have to acknowledge "Physical" as the #1 song of the 80s.
Inconsistency is the name of the game however when it comes to going back in time to revisit #1 songs. In numerous shows from the 90s and beyond, I have heard several instances where when Casey or even Ryan said such and such was the #1 song 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, etc. And sometimes it was a song that only hit #1 on the Hot 100 and other times it was a song that only #1 on R&R. Personally, I think they should acknowledge what ever happened on AT40. Ryan in the just aired decade countdown said that 'AT40 is going strong after nearly 50 years'. So if you are going to mention that, you really should count everything that happened during those 50 years as fact regardless of who was hosting or what chart was being used at any particular time.
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Dec 31, 2019 12:10:20 GMT -5
If anyone is interested, I compiled my own version of the Top 40 Hot AC Songs of the 2010s, based on the weekly published charts of Mediabase. It uses the old AT40 formula for points and comparing years:
Top 40 Songs of the 2010s (1st week Dec 2009 - 1st Week Dec 2019)
1. Girls Like You - Maroon 5 f/ Cardi B, #1 for 14 weeks, 2018
2. High Hopes - Panic! At the Disco, #1 for 14 weeks, 2018-19
3. Rolling in the Deep - Adele, #1 for 13 weeks, 2011
4. Shape of You - Ed Sheeran, #1 for 12 weeks, 2017
5. Sucker - Jonas Brothers, #1 for 8 weeks, 2019
6. Perfect - Ed Sheeran, #1 for 10 weeks, 2019
7. Shut Up and Dance - WALK THE MOON, #1 for 7 weeks, 2015
8. Just Give Me a Reason - Pink f/ Nate Ruess, #1 for 12 weeks, 2013
9. I Don't Care - Ed Sheeran f/ Justin Bieber, #1 for 8 weeks, 2019
10. F**kin' Perfect (Perfect) - Pink, #1 for 7 weeks, 2011
11. Counting Stars - OneRepublic, #1 for 4 weeks, 2014
12. Breakeven - The Script, #1 for 7 weeks, 2010
13. Ho Hey - Lumineers, #1 for 8 weeks, 2012-13
14. Can't Stop the Feeling - Justin Timberlake, #1 for 7 weeks, 2016
15. Cheap Thrills - Sia, #1 for 7 weeks, 2016
16. Moves Like Jagger - Maroon 5 f/ Christina Aguilera, #1 for 4 weeks, 2011
17. Thinking Out Loud - Ed Sheeran, #1 for 6 weeks, 2015
18. Someone Like You - Adele, #1 for 8 weeks, 2011
19. Raise Your Glass - Pink, #1 for 8 weeks, 2010-11
20. Good Life - OneRepublic, #1 for 3 weeks, 2011
21. Hey, Soul Sister - Train, #1 for 6 weeks, 2010
22. Shake It Off - Taylor Swift, #1 for 8 weeks, 2014
23. Don't Wanna Know - Maroon 5 f/ Kendrick Lamar, #1 for 9 weeks, 2016-17
24. Thunder - Imagine Dragons, #1 for 7 weeks, 2017-18
25. Someone You Loved - Lewis Capaldi, #1 for 5 weeks, 2019
26. Treat You Better - Shawn Mendes, #1 for 6 weeks, 2016
27. Delicate - Taylor Swift, #1 for 4 weeks, 2018
28. Need You Now - Lady Antebellum, #1 for 8 weeks, 2010
29. Stronger (What Doesn't Kill You) - Kelly Clarkson, #1 for 8 weeks, 2012
30. Something Just Like This - The Chainsmokers & Coldplay, #1 for 7 weeks, 2017
31. Best Day of My Life - American Authors, #1 for 1 week, 2014
32. Blank Space - Taylor Swift, #1 for 6 weeks, 2014-15
33. Not Over You - Gavin DeGraw, #1 for 1 week, 2012
34. Mr. Know It All - Kelly Clarkson, #1 for 6 weeks, 2011-12
35. California Gurls - Katy Perry f/ Snoop Dogg, #1 for 9 weeks, 2010
36. Somebody I Used to Know - Gotye, #1 for 6 weeks, 2019
37. Send My Love (To Your New Lover) - Adele, #1 for 2 weeks, 2016
38. Believer - Imagine Dragons, #1 for 6 weeks, 2017
39. One More Night - Maroon 5, #1 for 7 weeks, 2012
40. Stitches - Shawn Mendes, #1 for 1 week, 2016
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Dec 31, 2019 13:36:44 GMT -5
Doubtful. These decade end charts are most likely not put together with any great deal of thought or metric. Someone probably forgot to add it in. When CT40 did the Top 40 Million Sellers of the 80s, Millie Vanilli’s “Blame it on the Rain” was on there and this was about 2 months after they came out as frauds. So there’s precedence for controversial inclusion. Given that the #1s of 2019, 2018, 2016, and 2015 were all in the 30s, it's possible that the controversy surrounding the song gave it an earlier airplay death, and therefore didn't chart high enough for this chart. Many songs continue to have *some* airplay presence, even after a few years (and therefore continue to rack up decade points), but "Blurred Lines" pretty much dropped off the face of the air after the controversy. Actually, 2018's was at #29, but close enough. 2011's was at #31. But by #29, we had already heard 5 of them, which surprised me a bit. Not sure if that or Jonas Brothers' "Sucker" ranking at #4 (which was also #4 on the year-end) surprised me more. |
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Post by Hervard on Dec 31, 2019 16:58:47 GMT -5
The songs were all ranked on the chart according to weeks at #1, which is how "Sucker" was #4 - it spent eight weeks on top. Thus, I have a feeling that "Blurred Lines" was originally at #2 (as it had been #1 for ten weeks, like both songs on either side of it), but the decision to exclude the song from the list for whatever reason was made before the show was sent out. Therefore, they had to voice a new #2 segment on the run, so there wasn't much time to find another song. Perhaps they went with "Glad You Came", as it was #1 song of its respective year.
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 1, 2020 17:38:56 GMT -5
I am going backward chronologically hearing the decade end countdowns. So next up is the 90s and as Casey says, you had wait until #31 to hear a male singing. That was Bryan Adams with "Everything I do I do it for You". You had to wait even longer to hear a song from after the first third of the decade. Casey of course did not allude to that. And the song was "Name" by the Goo Goo Dolls. Of course the reason for this is that the methodology changed in 1994 with the airplay tracking technology being introduced. This resulted in the longer chart runs and longer stays at #1. So songs from 1994 on had an advantage over songs from earlier in the decade. In the 70s, they did a decade end countdown that was manipulated. In the 90s, they did a decade end countdown that was not manipulated but I think it should have been too to account for the methodology change. Not doing so amounts to the same effect as having a football or basketball tournament where college teams play professional teams. Obviously the professional teams are going to come out on top just as songs in the 1994 and later time frame will come out of ahead of songs from prior to that.
They have also played as extras "Candle in the Wind 1997" as the biggest selling hit of the decade and "Macarena" as the biggest selling dance craze of the 90s. Of course neither did as well on R&R since airplay was not commensurate with their sales success. That is an example of where the Hot 100 is a better barometer of a song's success.
I am into the top 20 and I don't think a song from 1990-93 is in it. "Dreamlover" was the highest ranked song from that period.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 1, 2020 18:02:46 GMT -5
^ You are correct. "Dreamlover" was the highest ranked of the pre-1994 hits at #26.
I would've included some kind of correction factor to offset the accumulated points from the longer chart runs (and time spent at higher/peak positions). I also say this not knowing the actual methodology used to determine the decade's top hits.
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 1, 2020 18:17:10 GMT -5
Thanks. So except for the fact that "Name" was #27 and "Dreamlover" was #26 and not the other way around, all of the 1990-93 hits would have been ranked lower than all of the 1994-99 hits. It is almost like they said we are going to do this show in 2 parts. Part 1 will be the top hits of the early 90s. And part 2 will be the top hits of the rest of the decade.
Casey makes a mistake in the intro to "You Were Meant For Me" when he says 'At #11....'. It is really #8.
After playing "Livin la Vida Loca" as an extra which like the first 2, hit #1 on the Hot 100, they played Blues Traveler's "Runaround", the only extra which did not hit #1 on the Hot 100.
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 1, 2020 18:33:49 GMT -5
So there are no songs which failed to hit #1 on the 90s decade end countdown. We know from either vince's rankings or the decade end shows themselves what the biggest such hits have been for each decade:
60s..."He'll Have to Go"
70s..."YMCA"
80s..."Hurts so Good"
2000s.."Hanging by a Moment"
Btw, those hits from the 60s and 70s both ranked at #35 in vince's rankings. So what are the biggest hits which failed to hit #1 in the 90s and 10s?
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 1, 2020 19:57:19 GMT -5
For the 1990s, I'd guess "Run-Around" by Blues Traveler. "One Headlight" would be up there as well.
I haven't been keeping track of the weekly charts in the 2010s like I have in decades past, so I'm not quite sure about that...unless I can look at them somewhere. The AT40 website doesn't go back nearly that far. I do have all the year-end shows though, along with the decade-end. But chart stats are rarely given in these shows anymore.
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Post by DJ Particle on Jan 2, 2020 2:34:32 GMT -5
I think they were inconsistent with "You Light Up My Life" and "Every Breath You Take". If they state that YLUML is the #1 song of the 70s because it was stated as such in a show, the top hits of the 70s, then the same should apply to the 80s. Now there was no such show at the end of the 80s but there was a show of the 80s top hits, in July 1987 where Breath was #4 and "Physical" was #1. Now I can understand things changing in this day and age where spins are being tracked and can therefore change rankings. But in the 80s it was all about the charts and nothing else. So obviously both of those records chart runs happened well before 1987 and thus, nothing could change the rankings in the last 2 and a half years of the decade. So they have to acknowledge "Physical" as the #1 song of the 80s. Inconsistency is the name of the game however when it comes to going back in time to revisit #1 songs. In numerous shows from the 90s and beyond, I have heard several instances where when Casey or even Ryan said such and such was the #1 song 10 or 20 or 30 years ago, etc. And sometimes it was a song that only hit #1 on the Hot 100 and other times it was a song that only #1 on R&R. Personally, I think they should acknowledge what ever happened on AT40. Ryan in the just aired decade countdown said that 'AT40 is going strong after nearly 50 years'. So if you are going to mention that, you really should count everything that happened during those 50 years as fact regardless of who was hosting or what chart was being used at any particular time. Turns out someone crunched the numbers using the 1982 year-end chart system, and "Physical" ended up on the top that way, too. ("Breath" ended up at #4). So it looks like, in the absence of a decade-end show, Ryan just chose to use R&R's #1 of the 1980s. But, also in the absence of a decade-end show, this means that "Breath" is canonically AT40's #1 of the 1980s, regardless of what numbers we crunch or what chart they were using 30 years ago. My aspie brain doesn't like it, but it is what it is. 🤷♀️ |
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 2, 2020 16:06:57 GMT -5
For the 1990s, I'd guess "Run-Around" by Blues Traveler. "One Headlight" would be up there as well. I haven't been keeping track of the weekly charts in the 2010s like I have in decades past, so I'm not quite sure about that...unless I can look at them somewhere. The AT40 website doesn't go back nearly that far. I do have all the year-end shows though, along with the decade-end. But chart stats are rarely given in these shows anymore. That would be good if "Runaround" was the one as that was played as an extra. Btw, when I mention not hitting #1, I am referring to the R&R chart. I know I had noted how "Runaround" had not hit #1 on the Hot 100, only because it was the only extra that did not. |
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Post by mkarns on Jan 2, 2020 16:49:44 GMT -5
For the 1990s, I'd guess "Run-Around" by Blues Traveler. "One Headlight" would be up there as well. I haven't been keeping track of the weekly charts in the 2010s like I have in decades past, so I'm not quite sure about that...unless I can look at them somewhere. The AT40 website doesn't go back nearly that far. I do have all the year-end shows though, along with the decade-end. But chart stats are rarely given in these shows anymore. That would be good if "Runaround" was the one as that was played as an extra. Btw, when I mention not hitting #1, I am referring to the R&R chart. I know I had noted how "Runaround" had not hit #1 on the Hot 100, only because it was the only extra that did not. Most of Radio & Records' back issues can be accessed at www.americanradiohistory.com/, which of course includes the 1989-98 Casey's Top 40 charts and most of the 1998-2003 AT40s, all using the CHR/Mainstream/Top 40 or however labeled lists. For Ryan Seacrest's AT40s I just go to the CHR/Pop section of the Pulse Music Board and search, as they're posted weekly, including the year/decade end ones. (They're mostly but not entirely in chronological order.) |
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Post by Hervard on Jan 2, 2020 18:09:46 GMT -5
For the 1990s, I'd guess "Run-Around" by Blues Traveler. "One Headlight" would be up there as well. I haven't been keeping track of the weekly charts in the 2010s like I have in decades past, so I'm not quite sure about that...unless I can look at them somewhere. The AT40 website doesn't go back nearly that far. I do have all the year-end shows though, along with the decade-end. But chart stats are rarely given in these shows anymore. That would be good if "Runaround" was the one as that was played as an extra. Btw, when I mention not hitting #1, I am referring to the R&R chart. I know I had noted how "Runaround" had not hit #1 on the Hot 100, only because it was the only extra that did not. "Run-Around" may not have been a #1 song, but with its performance on the year-end chart, it might as well have been. Until 2000, "Run-Around" held the record for the highest ranked non-#1 on a R&R CHR year-ender, as it came in at #2 on the 1995 Top 100 (oddly enough that was three spots higher than its peak on the regular chart). It wouldn't have had a shot at #1, though, as the #1 song of that year, "I Know" by Dionne Farris was comfortably ahead - in addition to its nine weeks at #1, it had a lengthy chart run as well. |
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