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Post by snarfdude on Jun 28, 2009 10:32:21 GMT -5
I put in a request to save the show from my contact after airing....I believe they run the CHR version....he says he saw something about that....would be cool to get. the great thing about internet downloads, you can revise just one segment at the last minute and have stations grab it and still hit your airdate. I'm guessing CD versions of the shows (if they are still shipping CDR's) would not have the update.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2009 14:33:26 GMT -5
I'd appreciate that.....maybe a thread to trade it both AT20 and AT10 once they air. I found a few stations online where the quality is OK, not great, but it's there where I caught AT10 this afternoon using total recorder....a good test run....will try AT20 next week off another stream which is decent quality....
no one I know who works production at a station up here in canada is running AT 10 or 20, so it's a bit difficult for me to get my hands on original mp3s or CDs....dang it.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2009 7:58:04 GMT -5
I'd like to see Premiere have the last show be available to anyone on this forum via their FTP site a user/special password. or links off their main page.
Westwood One did this a few years ago with some of their shows after the passing of George Harrison, and while I will nowhere compare the two events, and wish Casey well in his retirement, This is still a significant event in the history of Commerical Radio in the US and worldwide. I'd hate to have to fight to pull in an internet stream to hear this.
This is not a "pass the torch" thing that was done with seacrest. I can understand why it was downplayed. The kids are there for the music. A polite acknowledgement and move on. This is the production shutdown of the show. Let's hope it's celebrated properly.
Anyone who has spent time in the industry anywhere in the world likely has heard his name, if not actually hearing the show. He's a pop culture icon. let the fans celebrate with someone they can listen to again and again on their ipods.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2009 7:54:54 GMT -5
I'd like to see Premiere have the last show be available to anyone on this forum via their FTP site a user/special password. or links off their main page.
Westwood One did this a few years ago with some of their shows after the passing of George Harrison, and while I will nowhere compare the two events, and wish Casey well in his retirement, This is still a significant event in the history of Commerical Radio in the US and worldwide. I'd hate to have to fight to pull in an internet stream to hear this.
This is not a "pass the torch" thing that was done with seacrest. I can understand why it was downplayed. The kids are there for the music. A polite acknowledgement and move on. This is the production shutdown of the show. Let's hope it's celebrated properly.
Anyone who has spent time in the industry anywhere in the world likely has heard his name, if not actually hearing the show. He's a pop culture icon. let the fans celebrate with someone they can listen to again and again on their ipods.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 20, 2009 20:14:47 GMT -5
Mine is probably different then most......
I discovered an episode at a used record store and really didn't have much of an idea about it. I paid $15 for the show, a US version, # 833-9, 8-27-83, where the # 1 was every breath you take. no cues, so I played it to figure out the show. I thought this was neat, as this was the first time I realized syndicated shows were shipped on vinyl. Here I was, a 16 year old kid, and the show these days has seen better days as I played it quite a bit.
I wrote to ABC watermark directly, heck the address was on the show discs. I got a few responses from the international sales rep some nice letters as answers to my questions, a demo show, brochure, even a custom autographed publicity photo of casey, they were real nice.
I then happened to find out through an acquaintance of the time that a station in my province actually ran the show. My city never ran AT40, and the only time casey has been heard in my market was a year or so with CT40 in the late 80s. 2 stations in the province ran the show at eithier end of the province. I wrote to one, and they sent me one they had kickin around, from 1981, the other, the PD was nice enough to put up with me periodically over about 2 or 3 years, sending me 1 or 2 every couple of months.
When I got them, it was a big deal, as I'd spend 4 hours running them.....I had my small mixer, so I was my own board op. LOL!
I would occasionally try to get the out of town stations in to hear it actually on the air, but it was difficult on the ears, as there could be a lot of noise, depending on the AM skip. funny to hear local rural radio...one sttaion would run funeral announcements, or fire notices within the show breaks. kinda weird.
I'd also buy shows from collectors in the US through goldmine magazine now and then....
Around the same time I'd go to work for a station in town who ran "Soundtrack of the 60's" and "Robert W Morgan" also part of the Watermark family and saved those from the trash..literally, as stations really don't have much space to keep that stuff too long.
AT40 actually started my respect and collection of syndicated shows....I still have all my AT40's.....and plan to keep them for awhile yet.
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Post by snarfdude on May 14, 2009 4:42:49 GMT -5
Snarfdude, You're absolutely right about being happy that we have these at shows at all. I'm sure these shows, like so many things in pop culture, are not recognized for their future nostalgic value. I'm thrilled to have the shows. I remember in 2000 or so, I absolutely flipped when the "Flashback" shows came on terrestrial radio. And I was perfectly happy with my cassette recordings from an over-the-air signal. And those were only 80's and only three hours! Having said that, I must make it clear that I'm not talking about record crackle. I'm no audiophile, but I'm aware of such sounds as well as the various distortion found at different points in the record. I'm also aware of recording levels, and I'm not clipping. These sounds never occurred on the XM radio I had, nor on the XM channels bundled with Direct TV. (XM on Direct TV was way better than 128k, too, I must say.) These are loud digital pops that are in the online streaming signal on several XM channels, not just during the AT40 show. Almost like the sound of pulling a guitar cable out of a guitar without turning the amp down first. There's some discussion here: www.xmfan.com/viewtopic.php?p=1574364(I happen to love the moments when I hear the record crackling on AT40! It reminds me of when I'd hear record crackle over FM radio.) Thanks for the tips on the software for going straight to mp3 on the hard drive. I know it's a little crazy to use my (ancient: 2000) rack-mount CD recorder, but I'm getting a decent digital signal path all the way. I only use my AT40 recordings for CD listening in the car anway, so this way I have instant gratification. Not so good for archiving, I suppose. Cheers! cool......if it's a digital pop, obviously it could be clipping somewhere in the audio chain and that's the problem. from the link from the group you mentioned, it's intermittent, and that's probably the worst thing to try to track down and fix as I know from experience repairing the gear in my studio. depending on their distribution chain, it can have many components that could all easy contribute something you describe, and figure out which one is the problem is such a pain. I didn't hear anything like that on the 128kbps stream, but who knows. according to wikipedia, the encoding format used with the radios is one created by lucent technologies and it not a standard mp3 or Flac or AAC format which are far more well known and give reasonable and decent if not high quality. My SXM, albeit a cheap visor radio which I use through the FM transmitter sounds terrible most of the time, not mucc better then a AM radio, if there's anything it's putting out that's over 10khz top end i'd be surprised. noticable encoding artifacts also. I obviously blame the encoding scheme here or my cheap radio, as the internet stream sounds far better then what I hear in the car. I'm in canada, so SXM won't come come on satellite for me, though generally speaking with mpeg 2 encoding for video being an existing standard, the audio quality should be far better then anything bouncing off the sirius satellites. What i'd like to hear, is a copy of a set of the flashback CDs as a point of reference to see what they have to work with. from there, you can figure out where the loss is, IE is it the source, and don't expect much better? I can't really says much about a CD recorder, other then it works for you...I don't have patience to flip discs...easier to record it and edit it later....but if you don't have a car CD player that can handle mp3's, that's probably simpler then editing a 4 hour file, then burning to 4 CDs....doing it real time is probably quicker. I plan to only do the shows around my birthday I don't have already for the original LP's or copies somewhere. It's so tedious, and I have other programming i'm dubbing from reels and vinyl for my internet stream that eats up time, that you can only do real time. such a pain...LOL!
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Post by snarfdude on May 11, 2009 20:01:10 GMT -5
OZ FM aired AT20 at its normal time on 5/10, 8:25 pm to 11:10 pm Eastern Time. It was scary to hear snow in the weather forecast during the breaks on AT20. Even for that part of Canada, it rare for them to have snow that late in the season. There was snow here last week, but it mostly melted as it hit the ground. Here in nova scotia, it's been a hard winter, but it's far from unusual to get snow this late in the season. It's been known to snow with a few Cm's down around this time, but not this year, spring is finally here. It's been a hard winter, I believe something like 18 storms have hit us here in Halifax...we are pretty sick of the stuff and am happy to see spring. Newfoundland I believe had similar conditions this winter. It wasn't easy.
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Post by snarfdude on May 11, 2009 19:55:49 GMT -5
PS-Other than parts of India, I've never heard of another time zone in the world that is 30 minutes instead of an hour ahead. Welcome to Canada, specifically Newfoundland time. It's got it's own time zone in north america because of it's position as the eastern most canadian province, and the most eastern point in north america. Newfoundland is actually 90 mins ahead of eastern time, the time zone in between is atlantic, which I am in. I remember last year going across the border from new brunswick into the US to maine and all of a sudden the time was 1 hour behind...the US side is eastern, the new brunswick side in atlantic... We canadians can confuse you guys....EH? LOL!
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Post by snarfdude on May 11, 2009 19:38:23 GMT -5
1982="SOFT": CRACKLING: The crackles and pops on SXM70's (and to some extent SXM80's) is dribing me nuts. I know others have mentioned it, so I have two questions: (1) what browser/OS are you using? (2) Has anyone written them about it? AT40 is the ONLY thing I listen to XM for - and pay 7.99/mo for. This noise and the ridiculous edits are going to lose me soon. BTW, one thing I do like about the XMonline stream is that it can paused! This way I can pause it and change out the CD in my CD recorder during the heavily abbreviated theme music! God, you're using a CD recorder? I didn't think many were still around for CD audio. I just record right to the hard drive as a mp3 though my audio console in my production studio, OR you can just grab it though any PC sound card using total recorder. my 256 kbps stereo file is about 330 meg, and with more and more CD players being able to play mp3 files, and it's only a 128kbps quality stream anyway, so quality won't be severely lost. As for the clicks and pops, realistically, when vinyl is your source, you can only do so much. As I haven't heard an original wav file source from shannon's transfers, I hesitate to comment about his quality, but he's only as good as the source. groove distortion can also be apparent, especially in segments closer to the center of the disc (segs 3 and 6 especially) but that's to be expected. It's the vinyl medium, and your pushing for 24 mins/per side when the best quality results are achieved by only putting 18-20 minutes/side for any vinyl LP. That's the benefit of the CT40 shows, 6 discs, less audio crammed/side and better quality. noise reduction at best is a tricky, time consuming business to apply to any audio file. too much, it can sound tinny and lack of life, too little and it doesn't do anything. keep in mind the rarity of these shows, and you're lucky to actually hear them, as this stuff was suppose to be played once or twice and tossed in the trash. Some program discs from some syndicators actually say this on them (the united stations shows usually say "must be destroyed after broadcast") and the tapes have long been since erased as no one saw the future nostaglia value 20 or 30 years ago. In fact commerical radio in general is very bad for not preserving it's history. I have saved both tapes, program discs, even studio equipment from the dumpster to build my own studio in my basement. In that context, a few pops and clicks and some groove distortion to me is really no major deal. If it still is, try adjusting your top end on your eq settings on your audio equipment (also known as the treble control) as they are usually all high frequency information. This may not be a solution, but might be a bit more tolerable to you.
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Post by snarfdude on May 11, 2009 19:21:22 GMT -5
XM 80's is playing 5/9/87. funny, as I was recording the 1979 countdown because of my birthday, in the 80's, the 5/09/87 # 872-6 is one I have the original international version of the program discs for...made it easier to just record the 70's countdown.
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Post by snarfdude on May 10, 2009 10:09:47 GMT -5
I'd believe it. I usually catch it in the car, but realized that it's finally a 128kbps stream online now, so I'm recording the feed this morning, as today is my B'day, and would be neat to have have it from 1979, when I was 12.
Some of the cuts are just plain sloppy, and far more noticable on the stream.
Also, I don't know if it's the stream, but there seems to be noticable artifacts on occasion possibly due to noise reduction software added upon restoration. Premiere could have done it after shannon's transfers, who knows, it's pretty clean....I can hear tape drop outs in some cases...LOL!
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Post by snarfdude on May 9, 2009 14:13:40 GMT -5
I'd like to hear a few non casey shows myself. I have a couple charlie van dyke's and the dave roberts show from 1985. in my small program disc collection.
Got a couple CT40 shows from the company up here in canada who used to dub the vinyl to reel and edit the US spots out. They'd fed the show via satellite every thursday afternoon so station would tape the show, and run the tapes. I heard a few horror stories as to what they did with the discs after the fact.
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Post by snarfdude on May 9, 2009 8:03:40 GMT -5
Thanks.....I mean, if anyone actually has the info, it should be preserved with the rest of the show. I thought there were some mentions in the book about a custom console built when going to stereo, but could be wrong. The UREI 1176 limiters are still worth a nice chunk of change these days. I've seen casey pictured with what looks like a neumann condenser mic (in 70's photos) to an electrovoice RE20 (in 80's photos) which is a broadcast standard, so would be interesting to know or have a gear list assembled from people who have worked on the show. In my own studio, I have quite a bit of analog gear that some stations I worked for that have tossed when they upgraded, so the gear geek in me is curious. In comparison, a quite detailed breakdown is given on the Drake Chenault tribute site: www.drakechenault.org/Interesting to see cart machines an ITC SP in studio A. probably used for interview clips for specials... for those not familar with carts...here's a link: www.jimprice.com/prosound/carts.htmthe cart machine is the grandfather of the 8 track....
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Post by snarfdude on May 7, 2009 13:12:38 GMT -5
This sort of thing I wondered about.
Doing radio production, I am familiar with the basic concept of the show's production, and few years ago in a personal letter from Suzanne Barron at ABC Watermark confirmed what the book also said, casey voice tracks his lines, then an engineer assembles all the elements (music/jingles/voice tracks) on master reels of tape which get transferred and eventually pressed on vinyl.
The question though, is that is there any specifics on equipment used? actual procedure? The book cites the well known UREI 1176 compressor/limiter that was modified for Casey's Tone Range, but little else....
I always wondered what the music source was...actual vinyl? The book implies so, but after weekly repeated use, you'd think the vinyl would pick up clicks and pops, which makes me wonder if the music was "carted" (transferred to broadcast cartridge) to avoid vinyl wear and tear, like a lot of radio stations have done..jingles likely were on cart...
This of course was before the digital years....
The music was always pretty clean, though I used to hear some cue burns on watermark's "Soundtrack Of the 60's" for some of the oldies...likely sourced off those polystrene 45's that were prone to that.....
any insight?
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Post by snarfdude on May 3, 2009 18:29:08 GMT -5
Let's hope not, as i'm starting to get into the stuff on SXM to the point I flip the radio over when it's on 70's and 80's if I can....
A countdown channel doesn't exactly have mass appeal, it's very much a niche type thing for the die hard countdown devotees. In the world of money making, it's too esoteric for the masses, and I can understand why something like that wouldn't work.
still, there's are a lot of niche oriented stuff online, so I can see it far more for a internet stream type of thing.
Let's also take into account the analog transfer to digital of any countdowns that aren't already transferred, IF you can find program discs and or tapes of the shows. Remember, most of this stuff was thought of as disposable in the 70's and 80's (and to some people, it still is) It's REAL TIME and then some to transfer to digital which equates to a LOT of work. few people are not going to want to do that.
BTW, are people still trading show copies around here, or is that a faux pas to even mention that stuff now?
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