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Post by snarfdude on Jul 25, 2014 20:20:41 GMT -5
Interesting.....last year this time, Premiere was playing 07/31/71 for A and 07/27/74 for B. I guess that throws my theory out the door that they repeat the same material on a yearly basis.
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 22, 2014 20:29:10 GMT -5
Sadly for us I would say the majority of these shows did find their way into the trash. When I started working at an AT20 affiliate I met the PD Who had worked for the station since the 80s, and the station had aired Casey and his various incarnations since 1985, as well as airing both Casey and Shadoe during the appropriate time. As big of a fan as he was of the shows he tossed them every week and never thought a thing of it. When I was hired 2005 he was happy to give me AT20 every week until we went to the FTP system (and then dropped the show in a format change) and I have about two years worth of AT20 CDs but it kills me to think of 20 years of discarded treasures from that station. But to them it was never a big deal and that is why I am so grateful for the likes of Shannon Lynn and the support he gets from the folks at Premiere That was standard practice for any station airing the material, though I know some stations would give them away as prizes to the right caller, sell them off for charity at a reasonable price, or other things. Seltech Satellite systems, when it was still around, was the distributor in Canada for Casey's Top 40 and WW one in general. It was fed via satellite every thursday afternoon, minus the US spots being edited out after dubbed to reel tape. I got a couple CT40 programs and a pile of other WW one shows on CD by knowing a guy who worked there. I also got tip offs on satellite feeds of shows. The station I worked for was cool at using the production studios to record if anyone else wasn't. I got a few CT40s that way. The horror story was the actual program discs they had were often turned into coasters by cutting out the label from the record I was told. Most of the people in radio had no idea as to the value. I got shows from a friendly PD in my province at the time. I got a more then a few of Charlie Van Dyke and one with Dave Roberts as fill ins that way. I also bought them out of the US from dealers through Goldmine Magazine who were selling them for $10-15 shortly after they aired. Look what they are now. The "Classic" reairings have certainly generated interest. The first station I worked for ran Soundtrack Of The 60s for 3 1/2 of the 4 years. I have most of the shows from that time, as they never trashed them until I started to work there. Just loaded up the car. Even had contest forms, memos, and from another station, I got a nice demo folder with demo show, ad slicks and a quote of the cost of the show for that station. Not sure if they picked it up, as that was the only show I found, but still nice to stumble on when they cleared out the vinyl. Pete Battistini is to be thanked as the main reason for the archive. Shannon was in the right place at the right time and his interest translated into the venture because he was the only one doing the shows and just as important, wanted to.
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 22, 2014 20:26:52 GMT -5
Sadly for us I would say the majority of these shows did find their way into the trash. When I started working at an AT20 affiliate I met the PD Who had worked for the station since the 80s, and the station had aired Casey and his various incarnations since 1985, as well as airing both Casey and Shadoe during the appropriate time. As big of a fan as he was of the shows he tossed them every week and never thought a thing of it. When I was hired 2005 he was happy to give me AT20 every week until we went to the FTP system (and then dropped the show in a format change) and I have about two years worth of AT20 CDs but it kills me to think of 20 years of discarded treasures from that station. But to them it was never a big deal and that is why I am so grateful for the likes of Shannon Lynn and the support he gets from the folks at Premiere That was standard practice for any station airing the material, though I know some stations would give them away as prizes to the right caller, sell them off for charity at a reasonable price, or other things. Seltech Satellite systems, when it was still around, was the distributor in Canada for Casey's Top 40 and WW one in general. It was fed via satellite every thursday afternoon, minus the US spots being edited out after dubbed to reel tape. I got a couple CT40 programs and a pile of other WW one shows on CD by knowing a guy who worked there. I also got tip offs on satellite feeds of shows. The station I worked for was cool at using the production studios to record if anyone else wasn't. I got a few CT40s that way. The horror story was the actual program discs they had were often turned into coasters by cutting out the label from the record I was told. Most of the people in radio had no idea as to the value. I got shows from a friendly PD in my province at the time. I got a more then a few of Charlie Van Dyke and one with Dave Roberts as fill ins that way. I also bought them out of the US from dealers through Goldmine Magazine who were selling them for $10-15 shortly after they aired. Look what they are now. The "Classic" reairings have certainly generated interest. The first station I worked for ran Soundtrack Of The 60s for 3 1/2 of the 4 years. I have most of the shows from that time, as they never trashed them until I started to work there. Just loaded up the car. Even had contest forms, memos, and from another station, I got a nice demo folder with demo show, ad slicks and a quote of the cost of the show for that station. Not sure if they picked it up, as that was the only show I found, but still nice to stumble on when they cleared out the vinyl.
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 19, 2014 6:56:49 GMT -5
I Know for a fact that Ryan Seacrest is a fan of the original AT-40 more so than his current version. It's the style which he would have liked to have done the show. It's so unregognizable from the original, I bet the young people listening to the show don't even know it's a countdown. They most likely don't even know or care about the concept of a countdown at all. It's become a "rag" of sorts. This by no means discredits Ryan Seacrest in anyway! He is an amazing air talent, smart businessman and a great human being. Talent is subjective. Seacrest is an OK jock, but sometimes OK jocks who are really driven to have what they deem to be success up the corporate ladder is enough to convince the powers that be that he should have that job. His big break was hosting American Idol. It would make sense for premiere to consider him for the host at the point they were looking, especially with national TV visibility. He's worked to brand his image on TV and radio. I'm surprised the guy hasn't burned out yet quite frankly. Sometimes that's the cost of success. AT40 had to change. Casey doing LDD's was great, Shadoe, less so, but still acceptable, Seacrest with his smarmy delivery in some cases, just wouldn't cut it. While I don't necessarily agree with the music/celebrity focus, that's the trend for CHR for over a decade and works. It's being produced that way it should be.
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 19, 2014 6:37:05 GMT -5
AP picked up an Arkansas Democrat-Gazette piece (their site tends to limit non-paid-subscriber access to anything other than breaking news) on how our friend from The Natural State first got together with Premiere and Casey (I'd never knew he'd never actually met Casey during his life outside of talking with him over the phone) Read at the San Francisco Chronicle site, of all things...dL Well-deserved recognition for Shannon. Yes, that's a tedious job. You can only do so much with vinyl transfers of program discs, especially the when you get into the inner grooves, but the shows overall sound very good. were all watermark pressings from record tech? In the 70s they were. I assume they were for all shows pressed to vinyl.
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Post by snarfdude on Jul 18, 2014 12:07:32 GMT -5
That's just hilarious that no one remembered the "secret code" and that shannon cracked it.....I always thought it was simple and clever when I figured it out years ago. It was unique to watermark productions. Speaking of secret code, the ink color on the program sleeve/box, stating the chart date/program # denotes international or domestic versions of the show. for AT 40, RED ink, domestic version (with national commericals) BLUE ink, international version (without national commericals) Soundtrack of the 60s had RED ink domestic version (with national commericals) BLACK ink international version (without national commericals). This carried through the Shadoe years also I believe.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 23, 2014 20:45:51 GMT -5
I haven't listened to it yet.....when I have some free time. like I said before, the AT40 classic channel audio was tolerable. Those broadcasters and their audio processing "boxes" tend to ruin a decent recording and why I like the original program audio. That's not to say there isn't processing on the original program audio, but what happens is when have processing on top of processing, like going down multiple tape generations, the quality degrades, even in the digital work. In the quest for sounding loud on a clock radio, broadcasters have sacrifice quality in dynamic range (those peaks and valleys in the wave form) which is natural in audio. I put the tribute audio I recorded into a wav editor and it's on big rectangle. That's what happened with a multiband brick wall limiter. It's a brick wall, NO audio gets about that point for level. It makes it louder, but at the loss of dynamics.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 22, 2014 8:05:48 GMT -5
I wanted to share another story quickly. When I would call to talk to program directors about obtaining copies of the show, one station told me it was impossible because Casey picked up all the copies of his shows on his way through town!!! Lol that was one of my favorite excuses! Have a good weekend everyone. Always keep Casey, his family and friends in your thoughts. I know we all are. It's nice to have this common site. after working in radio for 16 years, I can tell you the PD is far too lazy or too busy to copy the show to a cassette or even have some flunky do it. You don't tie up a production studio for that. not practical. That said, a station employee can do many things after hours or figure out when the studio is not being used. he also raids the trash can or even sidesteps aired syndicated shows from the bulk tape eraser or trash can and takes them home. I did that for the 1st syndicated special produced in Canada that went to air The weekend after John Lennon died, produced by Doug Thompson. The station told me to bring it back as they wanted to use the tape to record over it....that didn't happen. It was a good thing, as 20 years later, doug wrote about the production experience in a trade magazine, I got a hold of him and sent him a CD dub of the tapes, as apparently he never had a copy of it. He was grateful enough to give me a dub of his latest 3 hr show at that time (about 14 years ago). That's probably why he's well known in the Radio Industry up here for decades. Just a great guy to deal with. I had a great station I worked for....one station in the same market said we couldn't "release whole or in part" when I asked for one of the Dick Clark National Music Survey's meanwhile, I got a few Soundtrack of the 60s shows by calling up the PD...he was pretty decent. What's some kid gonna do with the discs back then? really? (I eventually got almost the whole series when I went to work for them) That's how I got all my AT40's....a decent PD. I'm told a lot of them went into the dumpster from the same PD I got the stuff from. shame. Other Stations would sell them off for a local charity. I would think it wasn't common to trash them. People value records/CD's.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 22, 2014 7:51:46 GMT -5
Scott: as was discussed in the Facebook thread, would you please address (if you haven't in the four pages I haven't read yet :-) how this applies to the single copies of remastered shows which Shannon is legally permitted to sell, and later resale of those under the First Sale Doctrine? Baylink: I think the rule for this message board is pretty clear. and ultimately, it's THIS BOARD and HIS Board that makes the rules. I can live with it. If he care not to elaborate on that point. So be it. Meanwhile I'm just laughing about all the CT40 programs popping up on ebay and a few non Shannon Lynn AT 40 programs in the mix. That will happen. sharing will happen. Google is a wonderful thing. You don't need this board for that. Shannon probably swung a deal with Premiere for a reduced costs/free for his transfer services for the show. That's just makes sense. I would to if I were in that position, but Shannon is more patient then me. It's too tedious to do all the time, and to do all AT40 all the time. I like the show, but couldn't do transfers of it all the time.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2014 21:46:14 GMT -5
for an "audiophile disc" assuming this was transferred from vinyl for uploading, this quality is BRUTAL....can't listen to it...seems scoped too. I've converted you tube audio to mp3 before. It's not this bad.
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2014 21:13:33 GMT -5
WBBG did not play This Kiss or Thank You For Being a Friend so I would assume those are optional extras I think you have a point. We had this discussion today in the other thread (whether it was an iHeart vs. non-iHeart stations issue). But now, I think those were the optional extra(s) that were axed from the WBBG broadcast. Further monitoring of the show after tomorrow should validate your assumption. I haven’t recorded the show…but I know that at least “This Kiss” was introduced not by Mike (he was introducing most titles, Kerry just commented), it was Casey’s voice that introduced that song in the broadcast in what I originally thought was a single-song segment; But was segued in such a way it was hard to distinguish it from the main show. A good reason why original cues from the show would help know what segments are what, and what is optional filler. God, don't stations have anything better to do then cut up something like this with adobe audition? The Classic AT40 channel is SEVERELY brick wall limited, with a bottom end boost.....in other words multiband processing, but somewhat listenable. One of these days someone will figure out this is the digital era. You don't need those loudness wars anymore. One of the reasons I like original mp3s and program discs. Usually no such thing on the source material
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2014 16:44:32 GMT -5
Thank you, as it will make it easier to cut into proper segments, but does anyone have the PDF cues from premiere for this....assuming there is one? I'm a purist I confess and would like to get the appropriate cues to match the audio I recorded (if I can get the actual mp3's that premiere put up for download)
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Post by snarfdude on Jun 21, 2014 16:07:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the post on details for the Saturday noon EST feed earlier this week for the special. Pulled it off the iheart channel today with no problem (though took a bit of work as technically the feed is unavailable for people outside the US) Love my fibre connection. Quality was reasonable. I doubt my local station will run it.
Anyone have the cue sheets for this special? For that matter, anyone have the cues for the AT 40 seacrest show for this week? Got that too.
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Post by snarfdude on Sept 29, 2013 17:50:10 GMT -5
I don't buy 1/2 of that. The show is repped in Canada by Orbyt Media. Orbyt traditionally offers shows for barter, run a certain amount of national commericals that Orbyt sold the airtime for and get the show for free. Pretty much what Premiere does, though Orbyt can make you run spots anytime, morning show, weekdays, not necessarily within the show. Unless you are consistently sold out, or don't like to give up commerical inventory at all, you're not losing a lot. It's more likely the show's 9 am-noon airing didn't draw the #'s they wanted or expected. quote author=" pizzzzza" source="/post/74086/thread" timestamp="1379450585"] I emailed CKDK since its near where I live just to inquire about the show. Here's the response I got from Leigh Robert the program director. "Thanks for your inquiry about American Top 40 with Casey Kasem. We’ve decided to stop airing the show for a couple of reasons: It’s an expensive American show to air and we didn’t see the listenership we were hoping for in the 9am to noon time slot. Thank you for letting us know that you enjoyed the show... I hope you’ll keep listening for our local MORE Greatest Hits Weekends in it’s place." Thanks for the confirmation! UPDATE SEPTEMBER 17 2013 (Station dropped AT 40 show) ---------------------------------------------------- Sunday 9 am - 1 pm CKDK - 1039 Greatest Hits - London Ontario CANADA 103.9 FM corusmedia.media.streamtheworld.com/player/Player.htm?id=ckdkfm&city=London,Ontario&bdskey=6872& url=http://www.1039fm.com&platform=EMMISFM&active=true ** Station's website has AT 40 playlist** www.more1039.ca/casey/Plays Optional Extras----------------------------------------------------[/quote]
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Post by snarfdude on Sept 14, 2013 8:23:50 GMT -5
"OE's"? they are running the extras I caught the 6 am run on the 70s this morning. I can confirm that HOH will not be back on CHNS. When CHNS was HAL FM I got House of Hair Fridays 8-11 PM ET. Now HOH Saturdays 9 PM -12 MID ET on WRKI. i wonder if the AT40 shows will play all OE'S for all airings.
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