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Post by pointpark04 on Sept 3, 2013 17:42:44 GMT -5
"Another Day in Paradise" has the distinction of being the last number one of the 1980s and the first chart-topper of the 1990s. You almost never hear it today. Sad, really.
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Post by Hervard on Sept 3, 2013 21:14:07 GMT -5
Radio and Record chart performance? You can go to this site: wweb.uta.edu/faculty/gghunt/charts/chart.htmlThat's what the Top 40 show that you listened to was based on. If you want to see how the year end tabulations looked, go to this site: www.oldradioshows.com/ct40/ct40regindex.htmlI'm with Paul, the show is not inaccurate because 1990 and 1991 shows are so far down. They are inaccurate because some songs on the show ranked differently at the end of the year than they did at the end of the decade. For example (and I don't have the chart in front of me so if I'm wrong feel free to correct). How is "Romantic" by Karyn White, which was the number 5 song of 1991 end up on the countdown but "Rush Rush", the number 2 song, does not. It's those things that bug me. What I noticed was that the entire bottom third of the chart is made of songs before the PPW era (there is a 1993 song not within that portion of the chart, but that's because it spent so long at #1 and besides, it's not that far off. The HAC 1990s chart was also done this way - songs #21-30 were songs from before the Hot AC chart started (in the spring of 1994). I guess they got songs #21 through #30 from a survey of songs from those years that Hot AC stations were playing as recurrents. When I get a chance, I'll post both that chart as well as their Biggest Hits of the 1990s - So Far chart that they did in December, 1995, because many songs that were riding high on the latter (including the #1 song on that) are absent from the chart done at the end of 1999. Of course, both charts were produced by different companies (since Casey was still with Westwood One in 1995). They used the CHR/Pop chart for songs before the Hot AC chart debuted, while most, if not all of the early 1990s songs on the Premiere Radio Networks' version of the chart did not hit #1 at CHR. Anyway, I'll post those charts later on (unless someone here wants to do it sooner). To my best of knowledge, the HOT AC version of Casey's countdown was the only one to have Top hits of the 1990s countdown in the middle of the decade.
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Post by billyonaire on Sept 4, 2013 0:13:19 GMT -5
Did anyone record WLSC (Tiger Radio)'s partial broadcast of the 90s special?
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Post by statenislandfan on Sept 4, 2013 6:28:49 GMT -5
It was great to hear this show for the first time since Z100 didn't air any AT40 specials. There were other songs that should have made the decade's chart. A few in mine were: I Swear by All-4-One, Un-break My Heart by Toni Braxton, The Boy Is Mine by Brandy & Monica and P. Diddy & Faith Evans I'll Be Missing You. Chart action in the '90's is by far the worse of any decade. Looking back, I'm not a big Shadoe Stevens fan, but I think what helped him go off the air was the music being aired during the early '90's and chart performance.
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Post by Hervard on Sept 4, 2013 9:09:04 GMT -5
It was great to hear this show for the first time since Z100 didn't air any AT40 specials. There were other songs that should have made the decade's chart. A few in mine were: I Swear by All-4-One, Un-break My Heart by Toni Braxton, The Boy Is Mine by Brandy & Monica and P. Diddy & Faith Evans I'll Be Missing You. Chart action in the '90's is by far the worse of any decade. Looking back, I'm not a big Shadoe Stevens fan, but I think what helped him go off the air was the music being aired during the early '90's and chart performance. The Brandy/Monica song did not hit #1 on the R&R chart, which is what Casey used. As for I'll Be Missing You, forget it - that song didn't even hit the Top Ten (though I do know that both songs were big #1s on the Hot 100). And yeah, had Shadoe had an AC show, he probably would have lasted a little longer.
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Post by statenislandfan on Sept 4, 2013 10:14:19 GMT -5
It was great to hear this show for the first time since Z100 didn't air any AT40 specials. There were other songs that should have made the decade's chart. A few in mine were: I Swear by All-4-One, Un-break My Heart by Toni Braxton, The Boy Is Mine by Brandy & Monica and P. Diddy & Faith Evans I'll Be Missing You. Chart action in the '90's is by far the worse of any decade. Looking back, I'm not a big Shadoe Stevens fan, but I think what helped him go off the air was the music being aired during the early '90's and chart performance. The Brandy/Monica song did not hit #1 on the R&R chart, which is what Casey used. As for I'll Be Missing You, forget it - that song didn't even hit the Top Ten (though I do know that both songs were big #1s on the Hot 100). And yeah, had Shadoe had an AC show, he probably would have lasted a little longer. You are correct about that those 2 songs you mentioned. They were #1 songs on the BB chart, one was for 13 weeks and P. Diddy was number 1 for 11 weeks. No where close on the R&R chart.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 10:26:25 GMT -5
It was great to hear this show for the first time since Z100 didn't air any AT40 specials. There were other songs that should have made the decade's chart. A few in mine were: I Swear by All-4-One, Un-break My Heart by Toni Braxton, The Boy Is Mine by Brandy & Monica and P. Diddy & Faith Evans I'll Be Missing You. Chart action in the '90's is by far the worse of any decade. Looking back, I'm not a big Shadoe Stevens fan, but I think what helped him go off the air was the music being aired during the early '90's and chart performance. The Brandy/Monica song did not hit #1 on the R&R chart, which is what Casey used. As for I'll Be Missing You, forget it - that song didn't even hit the Top Ten (though I do know that both songs were big #1s on the Hot 100). And yeah, had Shadoe had an AC show, he probably would have lasted a little longer. And the latter is where Billboard becomes the issue. It wasn't just a matter of clearing a few stations and starting the show. Billboard was charging I believe 10K a week for use of 1 chart, apparently this was not all inclusive. If you read Robs book ABC wanted to keep Casey Kasem and have him host an AC show in 1988 while Shadoe hosted AT40. The monetary issue to Billboard was a concern if it was not successful. That was going to be 2 hosts being paid and over $1 million in just royalties. The AC clearances were a justifiable fear. If you've heard the 92/93 Casey's Countdown shows you may notice many of the same affiliates being repeated every week. I get the feeling the show didn't start on very many stations. But since they were using R&R and were paying $0 to use the chart they had time to see of it'd work. ABC using BB or had WW1 had to pay for R&R the entire history of countdown shows including when Casey Kasem hosted his last show could have been very different. ABC should have dropped Billboard at the very least when they went to a straight radio airplay chart.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Sept 4, 2013 12:10:40 GMT -5
And the latter is where Billboard becomes the issue. It wasn't just a matter of clearing a few stations and starting the show. Billboard was charging I believe 10K a week for use of 1 chart, apparently this was not all inclusive. If you read Robs book ABC wanted to keep Casey Kasem and have him host an AC show in 1988 while Shadoe hosted AT40. The monetary issue to Billboard was a concern if it was not successful. That was going to be 2 hosts being paid and over $1 million in just royalties. The AC clearances were a justifiable fear. If you've heard the 92/93 Casey's Countdown shows you may notice many of the same affiliates being repeated every week. I get the feeling the show didn't start on very many stations. But since they were using R&R and were paying $0 to use the chart they had time to see of it'd work. ABC using BB or had WW1 had to pay for R&R the entire history of countdown shows including when Casey Kasem hosted his last show could have been very different. ABC should have dropped Billboard at the very least when they went to a straight radio airplay chart. While I understand where you're coming from in terms of AT40's overhead, the real problem was the show was being carried on too many AC leaning affiliates by 1991 partly as a result of that ABC Watermark merger in 1982. For example, AT40 was carried by WPLJ in New York, a Hot AC station that was playing very little of what was popular in this market. If the show had been carried on a true top 40 station like Z100, it would have likely lasted much longer. Billboard had exclusive rights to data from Soundscan and BDS which could account for the money they were requesting for use of their charts. I know we differ in opinion on this, but I find Billboard charts to be much more accurate since late 1991 when you consider what they are tracking. I personally find sales to be a more important barometer for determining popularity which R&R has never looked into. AT40's downfall in the 90's was more due to the fact it had to compete against its former Creator & because it was not being carried on enough stations that contributed to their chart.
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Post by Mike on Sept 4, 2013 14:21:12 GMT -5
ABC should have dropped Billboard at the very least when they went to a straight radio airplay chart. What would the alternative have been, assuming that they obviously couldn't go to R&R because Casey was using that? Were Billboard and R&R the only two charts available at the time, I wonder?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 14:23:24 GMT -5
Why couldn't they? Dees used R&R too. They could have made their own based on affiliates or howeve they wanted to work that out.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 14:35:48 GMT -5
And the latter is where Billboard becomes the issue. It wasn't just a matter of clearing a few stations and starting the show. Billboard was charging I believe 10K a week for use of 1 chart, apparently this was not all inclusive. If you read Robs book ABC wanted to keep Casey Kasem and have him host an AC show in 1988 while Shadoe hosted AT40. The monetary issue to Billboard was a concern if it was not successful. That was going to be 2 hosts being paid and over $1 million in just royalties. The AC clearances were a justifiable fear. If you've heard the 92/93 Casey's Countdown shows you may notice many of the same affiliates being repeated every week. I get the feeling the show didn't start on very many stations. But since they were using R&R and were paying $0 to use the chart they had time to see of it'd work. ABC using BB or had WW1 had to pay for R&R the entire history of countdown shows including when Casey Kasem hosted his last show could have been very different. ABC should have dropped Billboard at the very least when they went to a straight radio airplay chart. While I understand where you're coming from in terms of AT40's overhead, the real problem was the show was being carried on too many AC leaning affiliates by 1991 partly as a result of that ABC Watermark merger in 1982. For example, AT40 was carried by WPLJ in New York, a Hot AC station that was playing very little of what was popular in this market. If the show had been carried on a true top 40 station like Z100, it would have likely lasted much longer. Billboard had exclusive rights to data from Soundscan and BDS which could account for the money they were requesting for use of their charts. I know we differ in opinion on this, but I find Billboard charts to be much more accurate since late 1991 when you consider what they are tracking. I personally find sales to be a more important barometer for determining popularity which R&R has never looked into. AT40's downfall in the 90's was more due to the fact it had to compete against its former Creator & because it was not being carried on enough stations that contributed to their chart. Laserdisc was better quality than VHS also. In the end that didn't matter. Accuracy, sales, etc is not important to the argument here. Stations were dropping AT40 because of its use of the Hot 100 which was playing things on the countdown they weren't in addition to the host issue. Watermark had been paying these fees for the duration of the shows existence. And if ABC was shelling out $10K a week for use of the chart then this becomes a major concern when you are talking about adding yet another show and spending yet another $10K a week to use it. So now you're at 20K a week just in chart royalties, are you making enough profit back weekly to justify that cost? Personally I believe AC/HAC leaning whatever ABC using Billboard for this would have been bleeding $$$ and I don't believe there's any way they would have kept it going that long if their affiliate count were as low in the first couple of years I suspect it would be based on Casey's Countdown. Thus, why I say they should have gotten away from them at the very least in 1991 when they left the Hot 100. If you get away from a royalty payment like this you are freed up to be able to do things like create a new AC oriented show.
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Post by shadster on Sept 4, 2013 21:52:48 GMT -5
I recorded this show right off the radio back in 2000 and I did find it odd that some songs were missing. Especially, "Missing" from Everything but the girl. How can the #1 song of 1996 not be included? All an all, I thought it was a pretty decent countdown, but having said that, I did want to 'fix' it. Which I did, which is why probably nobody wants my copy of the show, cuz I re-edited it into a top50, an included "Missing", as well as others obviously. I can't recall exactly how I edited, I'm pretty sure I pulled a song out of the top40 an put "Missing" up the chart somewhere but kept most of the top40 the same. At the same time I recorded the original broadcast (which I did not keep, only my re-edited version), I also listened to Casey's HotAC show, but I don't think I recorded any of it, or if I did, I certainly didn't keep it. The 1 thing I remember about the HotAC show was that Matchbox20's "3am" and GooGoo Dolls "Iris" were the top 2 songs of the decade, exactly as I had them on my personal top 100 of the 90s. Incredible. I thought Donna Lewis was a good choice @1, after all the time it had spent atop the charts, and a good song too, dispite its repetitious'ness. I found it odd that Dee's chose Natilie Imbruglia for #1. Casey's HotAC chart can be found on Walt's site: oldradioshows.com/at100/1999at20.htmlThankfully I did record this show back in the day cuz I used it, along w/ Casey's top 40 of the 80's, to edit together a Casey's top 40 of the 2000's show, which was quite a difficult task, lots of editing, but I think it turned out ok, for a show that never existed and voice-tracks that didn't quite flow together.
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Post by Hervard on Sept 5, 2013 8:41:01 GMT -5
^Dees chose Imbruglia as #1 because she had the most weeks at #1 on his show. Remember, Rick was using his own chart in 1996 and on that, "I Love You Always Forever" was at the top for ten weeks (on its 11th and 12th week at #1 on R&R, I think "It's All Coming Back To Me Now" by Celine Dion was #1 on Dees). In 1997, he had reverted back to R&R, so Natalie Imbruglia was at #1 for the same eleven weeks it was on top of R&R, so that's how it won out. Frankly, I was quite glad, because, as many of you know all too well, I really disliked the Donna Lewis song.
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Post by Ponderous Man on Sept 10, 2013 9:16:59 GMT -5
Speaking of the '90s countdown, if any of you guys follow the ARC Weekly Top 40 (like I do), they also did a best of the 1990s countdown as well. Unlike the Casey countdown, this is a top 100 & it uses ARC Weekly Top 40 stats instead of Radio & Records. Here is that countdown: www.rockonthenet.com/archive/top100_1990s.htm
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Post by woolebull on Sept 12, 2013 15:46:52 GMT -5
bump
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