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Post by matt on Mar 3, 2013 18:13:18 GMT -5
I think it's fair to assume that this happened a lot in 1982. Two years ago when we got the 5/15/82 show, I pointed out the insane drops that each dropper in that countdown took. The droppers that week were 44, 42, 45, 48, and 45 notches--and as others posted on this thread, those drops pale in comparison to some of the others in '82. What's odd too, is that following some of those huge plunges, songs would often take much milder drops on their way out of the Hot 100 (case-in-point is doomsdaymachine's example of "Who Can It Be Now")...statistically, it is clear that there was some chart manipulation going on, as it is highly improbable those kinds of chart dynamics would happen to so many songs.
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Post by SFGuy on Mar 3, 2013 22:11:13 GMT -5
I wonder what the chart would have looked like in the 70s and 80s had the system that was used in the mid 90s and on been available back then.
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Post by jmack19 on Mar 4, 2013 2:02:59 GMT -5
These five songs were on the Top 40 the week of 12/02/1972:
40: AMERICAN CITY SUITE – CASHMAN & WEST 28: GARDEN PARTY - RICK NELSON 25: WITCHY WOMAN – THE EAGLES 23: FREDDIE’S DEAD – CURTIS MAYFIELD 17: NIGHTS IN WHITE SATIN – THE MOODY BLUES
These were the only songs that fell out of the Top 40 on 12/09/1972. Actually those songs fell off the entire Hot 100 that week.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 4, 2013 9:36:54 GMT -5
Hey torcan - I'm afraid those chart discussions regarding the madness of the 70s chart manipulations were about ten years ago and I didn't have the foresight to link them. (Most were on Yahoo and the old radio & records message boards). However, mstgator did a great job pointing in the right direction.
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Post by jebsib on Mar 4, 2013 9:43:19 GMT -5
sfguy, I have long wondered how different the 70s and 89s would have turned out if they had used Soundscan and Nielsen BDS. I am convinced the industry changed BECAUSE of the slower more accurate charts. Thus, MUCH longer runs at #1, a slower single release pattern, and big overall #1s by big selling rap acts like Beastie Boys (Fight for your Right), Run DMC (Walk this Way) and Young MC (Bust a Move).
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Post by at40john on Mar 4, 2013 23:18:06 GMT -5
The chart from 4/10/82 had 8 debuts. All 8 droppers fell more than 30 positions with 6 falling 59 or more. On the way to the Sky,Neil Diamond 27-60 33 notches Shake it Up,The Cars 29-68 39 notches Tonight Im Yours Rod Stewart 31-92 61 notches Mirror Mirror,Diana Ross 33-93 Spirits in the Material World The Police 34-94 Leader of the Band,Dan Fogelberg 35-95 Take it Easy on Me,Little River Band 36-96 All 4 fell 60 notches. Just cant Win em All, Stevie Woods 38-97 59 notches That quite a few in one week. John
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Post by mkarns on Mar 4, 2013 23:34:21 GMT -5
And people were supposed to believe that all those songs fell 60 places in unison and several stayed right in line with each other. No wonder Billboard became dubious about its early 1980s charts and changed things up.
I also wonder if someone there really liked "Tainted Love" and kept it on the chart to set what was then a record 43-week run. Not only did it take four months to reach the top 40, but after tumbling out of the top 40 it lingered in the low 90s for weeks before falling off.
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 5, 2013 8:41:10 GMT -5
^ I hate to say it but wanting a record tied for most weeks at #1 may have also been in play earlier in the year when "Physical" was logging its 10 weeks on top. Especially if the chart director(s) thought it should have happened with "Bette Davis Eyes" a few months earlier but for its dropping out of the #1 spot for that one week. And of course that/those chart director(s) may have wanted records to be set for most consecutive weeks at every position on the chart since that is more or less what happened in the 1981-83 period. See "Allentown", "Hold Me", "What Kind of Fool am I', "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" and numerous others.
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Post by Hervard on Mar 5, 2013 9:48:56 GMT -5
The chart from 4/10/82 had 8 debuts. All 8 droppers fell more than 30 positions with 6 falling 59 or more. On the way to the Sky,Neil Diamond 27-60 33 notches Shake it Up,The Cars 29-68 39 notches Tonight Im Yours Rod Stewart 31-92 61 notches Mirror Mirror,Diana Ross 33-93 Spirits in the Material World The Police 34-94 Leader of the Band,Dan Fogelberg 35-95 Take it Easy on Me,Little River Band 36-96 All 4 fell 60 notches. Just cant Win em All, Stevie Woods 38-97 59 notches That quite a few in one week. John Wow! Eight droppers and none of them were from inside the Top 20? Even more surprising, only two of them were from (just) inside the Top 30!
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Post by torcan on Mar 5, 2013 17:29:19 GMT -5
And people were supposed to believe that all those songs fell 60 places in unison and several stayed right in line with each other. No wonder Billboard became dubious about its early 1980s charts and changed things up. I also wonder if someone there really liked "Tainted Love" and kept it on the chart to set what was then a record 43-week run. Not only did it take four months to reach the top 40, but after tumbling out of the top 40 it lingered in the low 90s for weeks before falling off. During the '60s and early '70s, songs sometimes fell off the Hot 100 from very high positions. Starting sometime around the mid-70s, they changed the methodology that songs almost always fell into the 90s before dropping off the next week. I guess part of this was to eliminate the "surprise" of a song in the 40s or higher nowhere to be found the following week. I mentioned in the 1982 thread that there seemed to be an unusually high number of songs climbing the charts that year, meaning songs dropping had further to fall. I guess since they had to pull songs off the chart from somewhere, they took the dropping songs furthest down the chart and dropped them to the 90s and then out, no matter where they were the previous week. That's why you had songs from the 20s and 30s dropping to the 90s, because with so many songs climbing, there weren't enough in the 60s and 70s to drop down to those positions. Make sense? Re. "Tainted Love", I'd love to see the raw chart data that they used, but I don't think it exists any more. I always wondered when a song held at No. 100, exactly how many sales reports/airplay reports it would have had to hold on like that. "Tainted Love" had its final 5 weeks on the chart at No. 97.
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Post by woolebull on Mar 11, 2013 20:33:33 GMT -5
bump
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Post by JMW on Mar 15, 2013 15:56:52 GMT -5
Another song that fell 30 notches off the Top 40: Sheena Easton's Sugar Walls went from #17 on 3/16/1985 to #47 on the 23rd.
And to expand this thread to songs that fell 20 - 29 notches: Old Man Down the Road dropped 27 notches from #19 to #47 and Loverboy went from #20 to #41 (21 notches).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2013 13:06:09 GMT -5
ELO, Electric Light Orchestra had quite a few hard and fast fallers out of the Top 40...
Sweet Talkin' Woman fell 57 notches from #34 to #91 on June 3rd, 1978
Telephone Line fell 32 notches from #31 to #63 on October 29th, 1977
All Over the World fell 32 notches from #13 to #45 on October 18th, 1980
Twilight fell 31 notches from #38 to #69 on December 12th, 1981
Do Ya fell 28 notches from #29 to #57 on April 16th, 1977
Shine a Little Love fell 28 notches from #17 to #45 on August 18th, 1979
Last Train to London fell 27 notches from #39 to #66 on February 9th, 1980
Xanadu fell 24 notches from #27 to #51 on November 8th, 1980
Mr. Blue Sky fell 23 notches from #35 to #59 on August 19th, 1978
Turn to Stone fell 22 notches from #23 to #45 on February 18th, 1978
Can't Get It Out of My Head fell 21 notches from #36 to #57 on April 5th, 1975
Confusion fell 20 notches from #37 to #57 on December 1st, 1979
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Post by JMW on Apr 7, 2013 22:52:52 GMT -5
All four songs that fell out of the Top 40 on this coming week's countdown (4/17/1982) fell 20+ notches:
My Guy - Sister Sledge (fell 20 notches from 23 to 43) Juke Box Hero - Foreigner (fell 49 notches from 26 to 75) Centerfold - The J. Geils Band (fell 58 notches from 31 to 89) Bobbie Sue - The Oak Ridge Boys (fell 61 notches from 32 to 93)
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Post by Hervard on May 5, 2013 18:11:59 GMT -5
After listening to this week's 1975 show, I checked my critique for last year's June 7, 1975 show and saw that the song at #1 on this week's show, "He Don't Love You (Like I Love You)" was one of the droppers on that show. I checked its chart run and saw that it fell 1-7-16-off. Would that tie for a record for the fastest drop out of the Top 40 of the Hot 100? (as two other 1975 songs, plus a few from 1974 also fell off the chart three weeks after they were #1).
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