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Post by JMW on Feb 28, 2013 13:34:18 GMT -5
I was taking a look at the 3/1/1980 chart on UMD and noticed that all five five out of the six songs that fell out of the Top 40 that week fell more than 30 notches from the position they were at the week before. The songs in question are: - The Long Run - from 27 to 60 (fell 33 notches)
- Escape (Pina Colata) - from 28 to 69 (fell 41 notches)
- Don't Let Go - from 33 to 81 (fell 48 notches)
- Deja Vu - from 34 to 86 (fell 52 notches)
- I Wanna Be Your Lover - from 36 to 87 (fell 51 notches)
Has there been any other countdown where such a thing has happened?
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Post by woolebull on Feb 28, 2013 15:13:52 GMT -5
The 10/30/82 show had five as well:
Abracadabra - from 10 to 48 (38 notches)
Hard To Say I'm Sorry - from 16 to 51 (35 notches)
Eye Of The Tiger - from 18 to 34 (36 notches)
Big Fun - from 21 to 63 (42 notches)
You Dropped A Bomb On Me - 31 to 74 (43 notches)
Also the 10/23/82 chart did as well.
Special note: The 6/12/82 show had three songs fall at least 65 notches out of the Top 40 and stayed in the Hot 100: Still In Saigon 22 to 90, My Girl 25 to 91 and Wake Up Little Susie 27 to 92.
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Post by michaelcasselman on Feb 28, 2013 16:04:15 GMT -5
A 68 notch fall for 'Still In Saigon'? Holy crap. So... what is the record for biggest fall out of the Top 40, yet still staying in the Hot 100?
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Post by 80sat40fan on Feb 28, 2013 16:17:32 GMT -5
The 2/10/1979 AT40 show had six debuts so six songs fell out. Four of the songs which fell out of the Top 40 dropped at least 50 notches that week: * "Promises" by Eric Clapton plunged from 34 to 92 (58 notches) * "We've Got Tonight" by Bob Seger dropped from 39 to 93 (54 notches) * "One Last Kiss" by The J. Geils Band fell from 35 to 94 (59 notches) * "You Thrill Me" by Exile fell out of the Hot 100 after moving from #41 to #40 the previous week!
Also, "Love Don't Live Here Anymore" by Rose Royce dropped 36 notches to 68. Only "Shattered" by The Rolling Stones had a "normal" drop from 31 to 48.
By the way, it was not uncommon for early 1970s charts to have songs drop out of the Hot 100 after being in the 20s or 30s the previous week. The chart from 3/6/1971 shows seven new songs in the Top 40 yet only two of the songs which dropped out of the Top 40 remained on the Hot 100 chart that week.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 28, 2013 16:50:09 GMT -5
A 68 notch fall for 'Still In Saigon'? Holy crap. So... what is the record for biggest fall out of the Top 40, yet still staying in the Hot 100? 80sat40fan is right about songs just disappearing, particularly in the early 70's. As far as the 80's go..."Still In Saigon" was bested by a song that did it just a week earlier. And that week meets the, "five song dropping 30 notches out of the Top 40" criteria as well. 6-5-82: Get Down On It - From 10 to 47 (37 notches) Chariots Of Fire - From 12 to 53 (41 notches) I Love Rock N' Roll - From 37 to 93 (56 notches) Circles - From 38 to 94 (56 notches) And the song that dropped the furthest from the Top 40 in the 1980's while staying in the Hot 100: The Beatles Movie Medley - From 20 to 92... a grand total of 72 notches.
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Post by Mike on Feb 28, 2013 19:18:50 GMT -5
I think it's fair to assume that this happened a lot in 1982.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 28, 2013 22:25:42 GMT -5
I think it's fair to assume that this happened a lot in 1982. This has been brought up before, but 1982 had just weird charts. In the middle of all those dropping songs out of the countdown, you would have ridiculous "biggest dropper in the countdown songs", like, "Jack and Diane", who was the biggest dropper on 10/30/82 tumbling all the way down from 1 to 2.
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Post by mct1 on Feb 28, 2013 22:50:48 GMT -5
This is one of those areas where comparing chart stats from different years/time periods is difficult. The behavior of songs on the Hot 100 was just different at different times, and this was probably due at least partly to nothing more than changes in Billboard's chart methodology.
As others have already noted, there was a lot of weirdness to the way songs behaved on the Hot 100 in 1982 (really the whole period from late '81 to early '83), including numerous songs taking big drops out of the Top 40. I don't think this means that a group of songs that happened to be out in 1982 happened to experience much more drastic single-week drops in popularity than any other songs any other time did. I think it was clearly a byproduct of an odd, short-lived chart methodolgy Billboard used around that time. The fall of 1974 is another period noted for strange chart movements, although I don't know if big drops out of the Top 40 were a part of that (big drops from #1 certainly were).
As was also touched on earlier, in the '60s and into the first few years of the AT40 era in the '70s it was common for songs to fall out of the Hot 100 from within the Top 40. After about 1973 it became less common, but was still seen from time to time. After about 1979 this completely ceased to happen and was unheard of during the '80s. Again, I'm not sure if this can be pointed to as an exact measurement of how hit songs dropped from popularity in the '60s and early '70s versus the late '70s and '80s. There is probably some truth to the notion that they dropped off quicker in the former period, but I think the extreme contrast between the two eras is at least party due to changes in chart methodology, or at least in radio station and record store reporting.
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Mar 1, 2013 6:30:49 GMT -5
I just noticed that Men At Work's "Who Can It Be Now?" spent its last four weeks on the Hot 100 stalled at #95. Truly, 1982 was an odd year for chart action!
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Post by jebsib on Mar 1, 2013 10:04:27 GMT -5
Conspiracy theory time:
The now deceased Hot 100 chart manager from the early 1970s through early 1983 - was a controversial figure. There have been plenty of online discussions devoted to suspicions over chart manipulation and favoritism of certain records under his management. Even a certain Chartbeat columnist commented once that the Hot 100 was a mess under his rule.
In early 1983, he was fired, and that is when the chart started to settle down. It is conceivable that he was let go because the Hot 100 was getting far too unreliable by 1982. Pure conjecture, but maybe it was not a chart methodology leading to 1982's messy and bizarre chart moves, but one man's unreliability...?
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Post by JMW on Mar 1, 2013 14:38:48 GMT -5
To add a little update to my original post:
I just heard Casey say that there were 6 debuts that week, so I looked at the chart again and discovered I missed one other song that fell out that week: Bonnie Pointer's I Can't Help Myself (fell only eight notches from 40 to 48).
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Post by woolebull on Mar 1, 2013 17:00:28 GMT -5
Conspiracy theory time: The now deceased Hot 100 chart manager from the early 1970s through early 1983 - was a controversial figure. There have been plenty of online discussions devoted to suspicions over chart manipulation and favoritism of certain records under his management. Even a certain Chartbeat columnist commented once that the Hot 100 was a mess under his rule. In early 1983, he was fired, and that is when the chart started to settle down. It is conceivable that he was let go because the Hot 100 was getting far too unreliable by 1982. Pure conjecture, but maybe it was not a chart methodology leading to 1982's messy and bizarre chart moves, but one man's unreliability...? By methodology, I was personally talking about however they came up with the chart. If this guy was the one in charge, then I would most definitely think he would have had a hand in the shananagans of 1982!
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Post by davewollenberg on Mar 1, 2013 20:12:03 GMT -5
Guys, here's an example from Apr. 19, '75, 'Harry Truman' by Chicago, was at #38, and fell completely off the Hot 100, the followin' week! So, it wasn't just in the early '70s, for these falls outta the Hot 100 from the 40.
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Post by torcan on Mar 1, 2013 20:26:45 GMT -5
Conspiracy theory time: The now deceased Hot 100 chart manager from the early 1970s through early 1983 - was a controversial figure. There have been plenty of online discussions devoted to suspicions over chart manipulation and favoritism of certain records under his management. Even a certain Chartbeat columnist commented once that the Hot 100 was a mess under his rule. In early 1983, he was fired, and that is when the chart started to settle down. It is conceivable that he was let go because the Hot 100 was getting far too unreliable by 1982. Pure conjecture, but maybe it was not a chart methodology leading to 1982's messy and bizarre chart moves, but one man's unreliability...? That's interesting. Can you point me to where I would find any of those online discussions? Also, the discussion about the former Chartbeat columnist about the Hot 100 "being a mess" - this is the first I've heard of that. I assume it was the gentleman who initiated the Chartbeat column in the early '80s? I'd love to hear more about this...
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Post by mstgator on Mar 3, 2013 14:22:20 GMT -5
Conspiracy theory time: The now deceased Hot 100 chart manager from the early 1970s through early 1983 - was a controversial figure. There have been plenty of online discussions devoted to suspicions over chart manipulation and favoritism of certain records under his management. Even a certain Chartbeat columnist commented once that the Hot 100 was a mess under his rule. In early 1983, he was fired, and that is when the chart started to settle down. It is conceivable that he was let go because the Hot 100 was getting far too unreliable by 1982. Pure conjecture, but maybe it was not a chart methodology leading to 1982's messy and bizarre chart moves, but one man's unreliability...? That's interesting. Can you point me to where I would find any of those online discussions? Also, the discussion about the former Chartbeat columnist about the Hot 100 "being a mess" - this is the first I've heard of that. I assume it was the gentleman who initiated the Chartbeat column in the early '80s? I'd love to hear more about this... Do a Google search on "Bill Wardlow Billboard" and you'll find some interesting stuff. Perhaps not directly related to the singles chart, but I found this Paul Grein quote enlightening:
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