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Post by dukelightning on May 5, 2013 19:17:35 GMT -5
^Yes that ties the record. Even the tied for biggest drops from #1..."Nothing From Nothing" and "Then Came You" took 3 weeks to fall out of the top 40 and both went 1-15-39-off.
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Post by Hervard on May 5, 2013 19:51:01 GMT -5
I always wondered what the deal was with all the songs falling out of the Top Ten from #1 back in the fall of 1974. Must have been an unusually heavy volume of popular songs during that time.
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Post by mga707 on May 5, 2013 21:25:08 GMT -5
I always wondered what the deal was with all the songs falling out of the Top Ten from #1 back in the fall of 1974. Must have been an unusually heavy volume of popular songs during that time. ...or questionable chart methodology on Billboard's part.
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Post by JMW on Jul 6, 2013 21:45:03 GMT -5
In making my predictions for next week's show from 7/12/1980, I saw that five of the six songs that fell out of the Top 40 that week fell 20+ notches. They were: - Theme From New York New York (36 to 61; 25 notches)
- Stomp (28 to 63; 35 notches)
- Two Places At The Same Time (30 to 64; 34 notches)
- Atomic (39 to 92; 53 notches)
- Clones (40 to 93; 53 notches)
The other song that fell out that week (Ashes By Now) fell 11 notches from 37 to 48.
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Post by jgve1952 on Jul 8, 2013 20:07:09 GMT -5
On April 28, 1979, "I Don't Know If It's Right," by Evelyn Champagne King fell out of the entire Hot 100 from the Top 40 at position #40.
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Post by artsmusic on Jul 9, 2013 11:47:45 GMT -5
I've read articles back and forth about the relative inaccuracy of charts prior to computerization/Soundscan. Came across this when googling Wardlow's history. Thought it's specifically about a Carpenters song, it mentions many key issues. Specifically key is Mr. Hagerty's take: www.amcorner.com/forum/threads/goofus-re-evaluated.13167/page-2
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 9, 2013 14:29:15 GMT -5
It is kinda ironic that AT40 started when it did. They were able to capture Beatles final three weeks ever on the Hot 100. (until their catalog was mined later in the 70s). If AT40 began one month later, this historic opportunity would have been missed. On the first show they were back to back w/Elvis.
Anyway, Long and Winding Road was #8 on that very first program. It would fall to 20, then 21 in the next two weeks, then all the way off the Hot 100!!
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Post by woolebull on Jul 9, 2013 14:34:33 GMT -5
I've read articles back and forth about the relative inaccuracy of charts prior to computerization/Soundscan. Came across this when googling Wardlow's history. Thought it's specifically about a Carpenters song, it mentions many key issues. Specifically key is Mr. Hagerty's take: www.amcorner.com/forum/threads/goofus-re-evaluated.13167/page-2That is an absolutely fascinating read. One point in his threads, however, leaves me with questions. In one of his threads, Mr. Hagerty mentions that airplay was not part of the Hot 100 component until 1981 after a failed attempt at it in 1973. However, according to Pete in his book, "American Top 40 With Casey Kasem (The 1970's)" during the 11/10/79 show, Casey breaks down the tabulations for the Hot 100, saying that airplay was a factor. I have never heard the 11/10/79 show but it seems in the monologue he also contradicts himself saying the number one song is based on sales alone. When I read that, I found that unique. I have never heard the 11/10/79 show but I figured Casey was just trying to explain how in the world "Pop Musik" went to number one the week before. Whatever the case, it seems that Casey's remarks, and "Billboard" itself from that date (Battistini, "AT40WCK (The 1970's)", p. 263), are not in line with Mr. Hagerty's assertion. I only bring that up because while it is indeed fascinating to see Mr. Hagerty's knowledge on the Top 40, I would like to know if he is errant about this point. It would seem to be a big point to miss.
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Post by jimmyg on Jul 9, 2013 15:16:43 GMT -5
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Post by woolebull on Jul 9, 2013 16:16:27 GMT -5
It is an interesting read. My question for people who listened to, or were in the loop, back in the 70's: Was it assumed or said that "Billboard" used just sales to calculate their charts. And if that is so, why would Casey go out of his way on the 11/10/79 show to, even if it was inadvertent, bring in the talk about airplay being a component as well? Things seemed so out of line between BB and R and R during that time, and maybe that is because one was using sales and the other airplay. For example I joked about "Pop Musik" being the reason Casey gave the 11/10/79 disclaimer. But just using that song you can see the difference between the two: on R and R, "Pop Musik" peaked at number 3...on 10/6/79, four weeks before it would peak at 1 on BB. On the week "Musik" was 1 on BB, it was down to 23 on R and R...pretty big discrepancy no matter how they calculated the numbers.
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Post by torcan on Jul 9, 2013 16:42:29 GMT -5
I've read most of those two threads. I don't doubt the poster's knowledge of the music industry, but he's wrong about Billboard. They did have airplay as a factor in the Hot 100 from the beginning, except for maybe that period between '68-73 when the top half was based on sales reports only.
A lot of weeks there wasn't a huge difference between the No. 10 and No. 11 record. I also disagree with his assessment that anything that peaked below No. 15 wasn't a hit. There are a lot of records that peaked inside the top 40, and for whatever reasons couldn't get very high, that you could describe as "hits" and are well known and played on radio today.
But, we're all entitled to our opinions!
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Post by jimmyg on Jul 9, 2013 18:42:20 GMT -5
Woolebull, I looked at the actual Hot 100 chart published in Billboard for 11/10/79 and at the bottom it reads, "A Reflection of National Sales and programming activity by selected dealers, one-stops, and radio stations as compiled by the Charts Dept. of Billboard."
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Post by artsmusic on Jul 9, 2013 19:00:51 GMT -5
Another thing to think about is that some stations didn't report to R&R or vice versa Billboard due to politics, format description...or whatever reason. If I remember when my station reported Urban back in the early 90s, there were some "churban" stations in Billboard who didn't report "urban" to R&R for example.
So if indeed some chart margins are slight, the inclusion of one station or another can indeed tip things.
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Post by torcan on Jul 9, 2013 19:17:17 GMT -5
Just re-reading a bit, it's mentioned that singles sales started to drop off after 1974. This is also not true. Sales of 45s were very strong in the late '70s into the early '80s. Look at all the gold and platinum records there were at that time. Vinyl singles sales DID drop off in the later '80s. There could have been a year or two around the mid-70s when they dipped a bit, but it wasn't an overall trend at that point.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Jul 10, 2013 19:20:59 GMT -5
Vinyl singles sales DID drop off in the later '80s. The lack of sales of vinyl 45" singles starting around 1986 was a strong indicator that vinyl storage media was on the way out. CD's were becoming the norms later in the 80's, and people still use them to this day. The Vinyl record officially died in 1991, and by the summer of 1991, look at what happened - Paula Abdul's "Rush Rush" spent the most weeks at #1 since 1985. And Bryan Adams' "Everything I Do (I Do It For You)" spent 7 weeks at #1 (the most since 1984, if I recall). It turned out that sales of singles rose again, even if it's just CD and cassette singles. Very few songs spent a long time during the dry period for single sales (4 weeks at #1 during that time period was an accomplishment, it seemed). Even though "Roll With It" by Steve Winwood spent 4 weeks at #1 in 1988, it ended up being the #10 song of 1988. The top song of 1988 spent one less week at #1, if I recall, and that was "Faith". Must have been other criteria that determined if the song was to be the #1 song of 1988.
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