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Post by woolebull on Nov 24, 2016 21:32:35 GMT -5
This question stretches over different eras and shows but I will put it in this section. I was reading an article on Billboard's current number one, "Black Beatles", and there was a reference to 2 Pac's, "How Do U Want It", which hit number one in 1996. It got me thinking...
How many songs that have topped the Hot 100 never charted on AT 40 or CT 40? Obviously the two songs I have mentioned would be part of that group (I will offer a caveat: "California Love", the B side to "How Do U Want It" did chart on CT 40, and "Black Beatles" could most certainly make a run in the upcoming weeks on AT 40).
I know, "Harlem Shake" did not hit AT 40, but I'm really not sure of any other songs that went to the top of the Hot 100 and did not chart on AT or CT 40. I thought maybe "Incomplete" by Sisqo in 2000, but it peaked at 31.
Any other songs out there besides the ones mentioned?
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Post by statenislandfan on Nov 24, 2016 21:44:59 GMT -5
Harlem Shake did debut at number 40 on Apr 6,2013 on AT40. Ryan also played it as a breakout song in March of 2013. It will be interesting if Black Beatles does make the Top 40. Another song quickly comes to my mind is a song earlier this year called Panda #1 on the BB chart but not a smash on AT40.
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Post by dth1971 on Nov 24, 2016 23:20:47 GMT -5
"Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" by Puff Daddy and "Hypnotize" by the Notorious B.I.G. both hit #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 in 1997, but both failed to make the R&R CHR/Pop chart used for Casey's Top 40. Did either one of these made the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 chart when it was its own CHR/Rhythm format 1995-1997?
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Post by freakyflybry on Nov 24, 2016 23:31:06 GMT -5
"Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" by Puff Daddy and "Hypnotize" by the Notorious B.I.G. both hit #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 in 1997, but both failed to make the R&R CHR/Pop chart used for Casey's Top 40. Did either one of these made the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 chart when it was its own CHR/Rhythm format 1995-1997? Neither of them did. Several of the American Idol winning singles failed to reach the top 40 pop chart as they charted almost exclusively on sales. Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Carrie Underwood and Taylor Hicks all failed to reach top 40 pop with their Idol singles. |
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Post by woolebull on Nov 24, 2016 23:56:02 GMT -5
Harlem Shake did debut at number 40 on Apr 6,2013 on AT40. Ryan also played it as a breakout song in March of 2013. It will be interesting if Black Beatles does make the Top 40. Another song quickly comes to my mind is a song earlier this year called Panda #1 on the BB chart but not a smash on AT40. Thank you for the correction! I didn't realize "Shake" did hit the Top 40, and I'm glad it did. One thing that I do appreciate about the Hot 100 since 1992 is that it better "captures the moment" of what is going on in pop culture than AT 40 ever has. Whether it was Billy Ray Cyrus in 1992, Elton John in 1997,American Idol winners in the first part of this century, or Prince in 2016, the Hot 100 captures pop culture moments better than AT 40 does. So as much as I am not a fan of the Hot 100 since 11/30/91, I appreciate when there are events that sweep our nation, whether they are for a short or long moment, and they are recorded in posterity by the Hot 100. We even see that right now with "Black Beatles". Without the mannequin challenge, "Closer" would have had a pretty solid shot at Mariah and Boyz II Men. But when I think back to the last few months of 2016 from a pop music perspective two things will stand out: people doing the mannequin challenge and a mattress stolen from Boulder. I'm glad that quirky little fads will have to have their stories told when recounting pop music history, if only because they did so well on the Hot 100. |
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Post by woolebull on Nov 25, 2016 0:02:05 GMT -5
"Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" by Puff Daddy and "Hypnotize" by the Notorious B.I.G. both hit #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 in 1997, but both failed to make the R&R CHR/Pop chart used for Casey's Top 40. Did either one of these made the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 chart when it was its own CHR/Rhythm format 1995-1997? Neither of them did. Several of the American Idol winning singles failed to reach the top 40 pop chart as they charted almost exclusively on sales. Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Carrie Underwood and Taylor Hicks all failed to reach top 40 pop with their Idol singles. All good ones! I should have remembered the 1997 ones, and I totally forgot about the various American Idol songs. |
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Post by statenislandfan on Nov 25, 2016 0:02:40 GMT -5
So true about "captures the moment" I agree with you a 1000%... So true!
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Post by mkarns on Nov 25, 2016 0:36:52 GMT -5
This question stretches over different eras and shows but I will put it in this section. I was reading an article on Billboard's current number one, "Black Beatles", and there was a reference to 2 Pac's, "How Do U Want It", which hit number one in 1996. It got me thinking... How many songs that have topped the Hot 100 never charted on AT 40 or CT 40? Obviously the two songs I have mentioned would be part of that group (I will offer a caveat: "California Love", the B side to "How Do U Want It" did chart on CT 40, and "Black Beatles" could most certainly make a run in the upcoming weeks on AT 40). I know, "Harlem Shake" did not hit AT 40, but I'm really not sure of any other songs that went to the top of the Hot 100 and did not chart on AT or CT 40. I thought maybe "Incomplete" by Sisqo in 2000, but it peaked at 31. Any other songs out there besides the ones mentioned? "Black Beatles" just jumped to #32 in Mediabase and is gaining fast, so it should be on AT40 before long. "California Love" got to #35 on CT40, but 20 years later still gets a good amount of recurrent play. Someone mentioned "Panda" by Desiigner; that got nearly halfway up AT40, peaking at #22. Otherwise, everything relevant has been mentioned or alluded to, including several American Idol post-victory singles that topped the Hot 100 based on sales but didn't get enough pop airplay to make AT40 (though Clay Aiken and Carrie Underwood made the countdown with later singles.) |
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Post by dth1971 on Nov 25, 2016 8:14:15 GMT -5
"Can't Nobody Hold Me Down" by Puff Daddy and "Hypnotize" by the Notorious B.I.G. both hit #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 in 1997, but both failed to make the R&R CHR/Pop chart used for Casey's Top 40. Did either one of these made the Rick Dees Weekly Top 40 chart when it was its own CHR/Rhythm format 1995-1997? Neither of them did. Several of the American Idol winning singles failed to reach the top 40 pop chart as they charted almost exclusively on sales. Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Carrie Underwood and Taylor Hicks all failed to reach top 40 pop with their Idol singles. Though Clay Aiken's "This is the Night" made the bottom reaches of the R&R CHR/Pop top 50 chart in 2003. |
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Post by freakyflybry on Nov 25, 2016 11:19:35 GMT -5
Neither of them did. Several of the American Idol winning singles failed to reach the top 40 pop chart as they charted almost exclusively on sales. Clay Aiken, Fantasia, Carrie Underwood and Taylor Hicks all failed to reach top 40 pop with their Idol singles. Though Clay Aiken's "This is the Night" made the bottom reaches of the R&R CHR/Pop top 50 chart in 2003. Similarly, so did Carrie Underwood with "Inside Your Heaven". |
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Post by dth1971 on Nov 25, 2016 22:52:38 GMT -5
I know the B-side of Toni Braxton's #1 song from 1996 "You're Makin' Me High" called "Let it Flow" (part of a 2 sided #1 single) never made a dent on R&R's CHR/Pop Top 50 nor reaching Casey's Top 40.
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Post by freakyflybry on Nov 25, 2016 23:16:23 GMT -5
I know the B-side of Toni Braxton's #1 song from 1996 "You're Makin' Me High" called "Let it Flow" (part of a 2 sided #1 single) never made a dent on R&R's CHR/Pop Top 50 nor reaching Casey's Top 40. Indeed, though it did chart on AC so it was played on Casey's Countdown. On the CT40 I'm listening to right now from December 1997, it has two of the low-peaking Hot 100 #1's, both of which missed the top 20 on CHR but had longevity: "Mo Money Mo Problems" and "Something About The Way You Look Tonight" (flipside to "Candle In The Wind 1997" which charted on CT40 separately) |
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Post by dth1971 on Nov 26, 2016 7:56:44 GMT -5
And going a little off topic: Did you know prior to "Mo Money Mo Problems" and "Something About the Way You Look Tonight" in the pre Casey's Top 40/Rick Dees years of R&R (in its early years): Even though in 1975 Freddy Fender's "Before the Next Teardrop Falls" hit #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 (then used for AT40), it only made #15 on the R&R CHR/Pop (then a top 30 chart).
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Post by johnnywest on Nov 26, 2016 9:54:47 GMT -5
On the flip side, "Mr. Jones" hit #1 in R&R but never made the Hot 100.
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Post by woolebull on Nov 26, 2016 11:39:33 GMT -5
On the flip side, "Mr. Jones" hit #1 in R&R but never made the Hot 100. That is a good example of why I am not totally a fan of the Hot 100 after 1991, particularly in the 1990's. As we've mentioned before, many of the biggest radio hits of the decade never saw the top 100 because they were not released as singles. I think the Hot 100 does a much better job now than it did,say, 20 years ago (when "Don't Speak" was just about to start a 9 week stay at the top of R and R, yet did not hit the Hot 100), but the omission of so many of the 90's top radio songs now leaves it, to me, as just another reference point and not the end all be all of pop music charting. |
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