|
Post by woolebull on Feb 25, 2023 20:09:36 GMT -5
So for those of you who listen to various shows, I would ask you to be on the listen, if you are listening to Rick Dees in 1991. So I have sworn for years that in March of 1991, on "Weekly Top 40" that there was a segment where Timmy T was called by Dees to congratulate him for going to number one. What I can remember is that T seemed to be in bed and Dees woke him up to congratulate him for going to number one. I even remember Timmy moved to tears. It is one of my all time favorite segments that still is a part of my memories 32 years later. Only problem: "One More Try" never hit #1 on R and R. For years I have tried to reconcile this very real memory to a reality that it didn't happen? Do any of you remember that segment? If not, and you are happening to listen to a March 9/16/23, 1991 show from Dees coming up (when "Try" was #2) let me know if there was a segment with Timmy talking about him going to the #2 slot. Or maybe Dees went Dees and actually gave "Try" one week at the top for no reason. It's truly bizarre to me. I would hate that I was/am so engrained to Top 40 shows that I actually dream things that seem real to me You must have indeed dreamed that one up. Because Dees never strayed from R&R's own #1s until 1994, when the first of his multiple chart switches happened. Up into April, the countdown chart would match CT40 on any given week. (He'd skip low-charting rap and other different songs, but the CHART would remain the same.) On 4/23, he had an all-request special. On 4/30, he used R&R's last playlist chart (which would put him a week behind CT40). On 5/7, he caught back up to CT40 (skipping R&R's first PPW chart, which in turn let him avoid putting "The Sign" back at #1). The two then remained the same until July, when ABC pulled AT40 from the U.S. and took up Dees. On 7/9 was another special (might have been Hottest Hits of Summer). 7/16 matched CT40, but then starting on 7/23 he transitions to being a week behind, with chart fudging also involved (he put both "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" and "Wild Night" at #1, neither of which got there in R&R) - and from there, he would never consistently match R&R again. Yeah I know all of the ones you mentioned, but this memory is so real that I never even looked to see where "One More Try" peaked at on R and R because I knew it had to have been #1. LOL, maybe he was talking about Timmy having his first top 40 hit or something (from an R and R standpoint). Or maybe I shouldn't have eaten so many Doritos before I went to sleep back in 1991 to have a dream like that
|
|
|
Post by woolebull on Feb 25, 2023 20:33:06 GMT -5
Currently listening to CT 2/23/91 with Mark Elliot filling in for Casey. At #16, up 15 notches was Londonbeat and "I've Been Thinking About You". I remember the song shot up fast but that jump caught me by surprise listening to it. Outside of Sinead, has any artist gone up the chart at quickly as Londonbeat into the top 10 on R and R with their first hit (31-16-10)? (Note: USA For Africa did it in two weeks, but of course that was a special supergroup).
|
|
|
Post by dukelightning on Feb 25, 2023 20:46:46 GMT -5
Currently listening to CT 2/23/91 with Mark Elliot filling in for Casey. At #16, up 15 notches was Londonbeat and "I've Been Thinking About You". I remember the song shot up fast but that jump caught me by surprise listening to it. Outside of Sinead, has any artist gone up the chart at quickly as Londonbeat into the top 10 on R and R with their first hit (31-16-10)? (Note: USA For Africa did it in two weeks, but of course that was a special supergroup). Yes Ricky Martin almost duplicated that set of moves with "Livin' La Vida Loca" (31-13-10).
|
|
|
Post by woolebull on Feb 25, 2023 20:54:14 GMT -5
Currently listening to CT 2/23/91 with Mark Elliot filling in for Casey. At #16, up 15 notches was Londonbeat and "I've Been Thinking About You". I remember the song shot up fast but that jump caught me by surprise listening to it. Outside of Sinead, has any artist gone up the chart at quickly as Londonbeat into the top 10 on R and R with their first hit (31-16-10)? (Note: USA For Africa did it in two weeks, but of course that was a special supergroup). Yes Ricky Martin almost duplicated that set of moves with "Livin' La Vida Loca" (31-13-10). That's a good one! I should have thought about "Loca". And after going on about Timmy T, I thought maybe he did something like that as well. He didn't but he isn't far off and even wilder because he didn't hit #1 on R and R (allegedly ) For Mr. T: 40-24-18-10
|
|
|
Post by dukelightning on Feb 25, 2023 21:22:31 GMT -5
Finishing up the 5/26/90 AT40. This is the third show I have heard this year in which Shadoe or Casey tells about an artist who had to listen to pop music in secret instead of either classical or gospel as their parents wanted. Tony Braxton and Mariah did it and on this show, Shadoe tells about how Jane Child listened to R&B stations from across the border in Buffalo on her transistor radio. Mariah also listened on a transistor radio. Would be interesting to compile a list of all the artists Casey or Shadoe mentioned who got their rock music careers started in secret. Btw, "Don't Wanna Fall in Love" is right up there among my fave songs by one hit wonders.
A pair of songs titled "Hold On" and that is part of a record mentioned by Shadoe. 12 songs in the 50 year history of the Billboard chart have had that title with 6 of those hitting the top 40(all during AT40 history). One of those is part of another record that is tied in this show. That is a top 5 entirely made up of female artists. First time it happened was in 1979. This one had Janet at 5, Wilson Philips with their "Hold On" at 4, Sinead O'Connor at 3, Heart at 2 and Madonna at #1 with "Vogue". Shadoe reviewed that first top 5 by women which had Donna Summer having 2 of the songs. So this is the first time that the 5 songs have been by 5 different female artists. Just realized that Heart is made up of men and women so Shadoe is considering only the vocalists when he says this is a women only top 5.
|
|
|
Post by Mike on Feb 26, 2023 2:13:01 GMT -5
A pair of songs titled "Hold On" and that is part of a record mentioned by Shadoe. 12 songs in the 50 year history of the Billboard chart have had that title with 6 of those hitting the top 40(all during AT40 history). One of those is part of another record that is tied in this show. That is a top 5 entirely made up of female artists. First time it happened was in 1979. This one had Janet at 5, Wilson Philips with their "Hold On" at 4, Sinead O'Connor at 3, Heart at 2 and Madonna at #1 with "Vogue". Shadoe reviewed that first top 5 by women which had Donna Summer having 2 of the songs. So this is the first time that the 5 songs have been by 5 different female artists. Just realized that Heart is made up of men and women so Shadoe is considering only the vocalists when he says this is a women only top 5. Correct. It's a Top 5 entirely sung by women, not of entirely-female acts. In 1979 (6/30/79 to be exact), both things were true. "Entirely sung by women" would later cover the entire Top 10 seven years later on CT40, 1/18/97.
|
|
|
Post by Mike on Feb 26, 2023 2:24:22 GMT -5
Outside of Sinead, has any artist gone up the chart at quickly as Londonbeat into the top 10 on R and R with their first hit (31-16-10)? The Heights: 27-16-10.
|
|
|
Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 9:22:08 GMT -5
Currently listening to CT 2/23/91 with Mark Elliot filling in for Casey. At #16, up 15 notches was Londonbeat and "I've Been Thinking About You". I remember the song shot up fast but that jump caught me by surprise listening to it. Outside of Sinead, has any artist gone up the chart at quickly as Londonbeat into the top 10 on R and R with their first hit (31-16-10)? (Note: USA For Africa did it in two weeks, but of course that was a special supergroup). Listening to another Mark Elliott CT40, from 8/1/92. He makes one of the biggest mistakes I have ever heard in one of these shows. After playing "End of the Road" and saying it was from the movie Boomerang, he said that the #1 song from 10 years ago was also from a movie. It was An Officer and a Gentleman and the song was "Up Where We Belong". That hit #1 but not until the first week of November. This is the first week of August! That's not even close! Another reference to #1 songs was probably correct. He told a story about how the first song to hit #1 on the pop, R&B and AC charts, Ray Charles' "I Can't Stop Loving You" came to be. He also said that there had been 8 such hits so far in the 90s. I am guessing that the triple #1 chart combination that has occurred the most is this one involving the pop, R&B and AC charts with the second most being the pop, R&B and dance charts. I think "End of the Road" will be the 9th pop/R&B/AC #1 hit of the 90s.
|
|
|
Post by Mike on Feb 26, 2023 9:50:17 GMT -5
Another reference to #1 songs was probably correct. He told a story about how the first song to hit #1 on the pop, R&B and AC charts, Ray Charles' "I Can't Stop Loving You" came to be. He also said that there had been 8 such hits so far in the 90s. I am guessing that the triple #1 chart combination that has occurred the most is this one involving the pop, R&B and AC charts with the second most being the pop, R&B and dance charts. I think "End of the Road" will be the 9th pop/R&B/AC #1 hit of the 90s. Actually, there are 9 already by my count (of which, Mariah Carey has 4): "Vision of Love" "Come Back to Me" (dethroned Mariah on Pop and R&B) "Love Takes Time" "The First Time" "All the Man That I Need" "I Don't Wanna Cry" "Can't Let Go" "Save the Best For Last" "Masterpiece" And "End of the Road" does NOT EVEN CHART on AC, so that's a hard No on that one. Boyz II Men wouldn't pull this off until 1994's "I'll Make Love to You". The 10th will be the even bigger movie hit that closes out 1992 - "I Will Always Love You".
|
|
|
Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 9:55:56 GMT -5
Wow I don't know which is the bigger mistake. The one about "Up Where We Belong" or AC program directors totally bypassing "End of the Road" such that it did not even make the AC chart! "Masterpiece" has to be the pop/R&B/AC #1 hit that Mark overlooked as he also said the last such #1 hit was "Save the Best for Last".
Actually, this may a very rare situation here. I think Mike made a mistake! "Masterpiece" only hit #2 pop at R&R!
|
|
|
Post by Mike on Feb 26, 2023 12:09:02 GMT -5
Oh! I overlooked that.
In any case: "End of the Road" only charted on Billboard's AC chart, where it only reached #35 - R&R only went down to 30. It wasn't until the next single, the cover of "In the Still of the Nite", that AC really gave Boyz II Men a chance; that reached #9 there. (So yes, they didn't touch "It's So Hard to Say Goodbye to Yesterday", either.)
|
|
|
Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 18:46:30 GMT -5
dukelightning, that's a great book. I received a copy recently, though I haven't had much time to look at it in depth. Getting near the end of my 1994 marathon, in the top 10 on the 11/26 show. Noticed the new theme is being used to close out the show at this point, but that's the only place where the new theme is being used. It wouldn't be until 52 weeks later, on 11/25/1995, when the new theme would be fully implemented, and it would remain through the end of CT40's run in March 1998. Now listening to the show from 2 weeks earlier. The show in between these 2 shows was guest hosted btw. Finished up the guest hosted 8/1/92 show earlier and Mark Elliott mentioned how Richard Marx became the first artist to hit the top 10 with his first 12 releases with "Take This Heart" reaching the top 10. He mentioned how Mariah had an impressive streak hitting #1 with her first 8 releases but had a ways to go before she could top that record. Marx would not extend his own record as his next release stalled out at 18. As for Mariah who happened to be next in the countdown with that 8th #1 hit "I'll Be There" falling to #8, she would tie and break his record with a pair of #6 hits "Anytime You need a Friend" and "Endless Love", the latter in the show I am hearing now. Mariah would end up beating the record by 50% getting her first 18 releases in the top 10. Actually she had kind of a streak within that streak. Until the last top 10 "Honey" peaked at 10, every one of her top 10 hits peaked at either 1,2 or 6. Then the hit that replaced Mariah at the top. "This Used to be My Playground" climbs from 10-1 and is the biggest move to #1 since "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" went 12-1 in 1971. Of course that is based on the Hot 100 meaning this is the biggest climb to #1 in R&R CHR chart history at that point. I am also wondering where "I'll Be There" ranks among the biggest droppers from #1 in R&R history, dropping to #8. Interesting that the 2 artists with the most #1 hits in R&R chart history when it ceased publication are the artists involved in these moves. In the 11/12/94 show, there is a first and a last at #37. Casey tells a story about the first ever in flight concert that took place via satellite about a month earlier. It was the Stones concert at the Superdome in New Orleans. And it preceded the last ever week on CT/AT40 for that band with their ballad "Out of Tears". Kind of their 90s "Fool to Cry" but with a bit more heartfelt emotion in the song IMO. A couple other ballads by artists more accustomed to being in the top 10 also stalled out in the 30s and also fell out with the Stones the next week, by Tony Braxton and Aaliyah, the latter's "At Your Best" being my fave of the 3 songs.
|
|
|
Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Feb 26, 2023 19:44:05 GMT -5
I remember in 2001, after 10 weeks on top, "Lady Marmalade" also dropped to #8, though, if memory serves, was near the end of the unpublished charts AT40 was using at the time.
On CT40's second show (1/28/1989), "Two Hearts" dropped to #10 out of the top spot. I don't recall any #1 hit dropping farther than that during at least the R&R countdown era.
I did hear the David Perry guest-hosted show right before that one; going in order. Hopefully my co-workers aren't sick of hearing the same songs from late 1994. 😂
|
|
|
Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 19:56:17 GMT -5
Yes that was the unpublished chart from Mediabase that AT40 was using in early 2001 so it's not R&R. Btw it did drop to #4 on the R&R chart. Funny that you mention "Two Hearts". I had the same thought that you posted about it but was not sure so had looked it up earlier. It was on AT40 that it dropped to 10. On CT40 it only dropped to #2 though it dropped to 13 the next week. In any case, neither of these examples tie or eclipse the Mariah drop in 1992, on the R&R chart.
|
|
|
Post by woolebull on Feb 26, 2023 19:59:32 GMT -5
Another reference to #1 songs was probably correct. He told a story about how the first song to hit #1 on the pop, R&B and AC charts, Ray Charles' "I Can't Stop Loving You" came to be. He also said that there had been 8 such hits so far in the 90s. I am guessing that the triple #1 chart combination that has occurred the most is this one involving the pop, R&B and AC charts with the second most being the pop, R&B and dance charts. I think "End of the Road" will be the 9th pop/R&B/AC #1 hit of the 90s. Actually, there are 9 already by my count (of which, Mariah Carey has 4): "Vision of Love" "Come Back to Me" (dethroned Mariah on Pop and R&B) "Love Takes Time" "The First Time" "All the Man That I Need" "I Don't Wanna Cry" "Can't Let Go" "Save the Best For Last" "Masterpiece" And "End of the Road" does NOT EVEN CHART on AC, so that's a hard No on that one. Boyz II Men wouldn't pull this off until 1994's "I'll Make Love to You". The 10th will be the even bigger movie hit that closes out 1992 - "I Will Always Love You". Masterpiece didn't go to number one on R and R, did it? I thought it went to number 2 CHR. Of course I am the guy who could have sworn Timmy T went to number one on R and R, so maybe I am dreaming that as well
|
|