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Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 20:03:33 GMT -5
You are right woolebull. I pointed that out a few minutes after that post.
On this 1994 CT40, I am hearing a LDD/R&D titled "Cherish" for the second time in 3 shows. Heard Madonna's "Cherish" in the 1990 AT40 and Kool & the Gang's "Cherish" is in this show. And they played the long version at about 4:40 which I don't think was ever played on AT40. Great song. Big Madonna fan but I prefer the Gang's "Cherish" to hers.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Feb 26, 2023 20:25:43 GMT -5
Yes that was the unpublished chart from Mediabase that AT40 was using in early 2001 so it's not R&R. Btw it did drop to #4 on the R&R chart. Funny that you mention "Two Hearts". I had the same thought that you posted about it but was not sure so had looked it up earlier. It was on AT40 that it dropped to 10. On CT40 it only dropped to #2 though it dropped to 13 the next week. In any case, neither of these examples tie or eclipse the Mariah drop in 1992, on the R&R chart. See, that's what happens when I go off of memory. LOL. 1989 is the worst year for me with that, with both AT40 and CT40 going. Wasn't around my library so I couldn't check.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 26, 2023 20:32:48 GMT -5
You are right woolebull. I pointed that out a few minutes after that post. On this 1994 CT40, I am hearing a LDD/R&D titled "Cherish" for the second time in 3 shows. Heard Madonna's "Cherish" in the 1990 AT40 and Kool & the Gang's "Cherish" is in this show. And they played the long version at about 4:40 which I don't think was ever played on AT40. Great song. Big Madonna fan but I prefer the Gang's "Cherish" to hers. Yup there it is. I apologize...I thought I had double checked the posts better than that.
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Post by Mike on Feb 26, 2023 20:44:59 GMT -5
I am also wondering where "I'll Be There" ranks among the biggest droppers from #1 in R&R history, dropping to #8. Interesting that the 2 artists with the most #1 hits in R&R chart history when it ceased publication are the artists involved in these moves. No greater than runner-up, at least - the all-time winner (loser?) is "Walk Like an Egyptian" which slid 1-11 on 1/9/87 (counted down January 17 by Dees). And despite the date, that did NOT involve a frozen week, as the later half of the 80s only had the one frozen week (which is to say that there was a chart dated January 2).
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 20:56:37 GMT -5
Good one Mike. I spot checked fall 1974 when big drops occurred on the Hot 100 and sales based charts(Cashbox) and there were no such drops on R&R. Makes sense since those drops were allegedly because of the recession which would not effect airplay-based charts like R&R. Hey woolebull, you should be interested to know that R&R had a mistake on their front page that I stumbled upon in my search. They said that Elton had a serious fall while in concert in Greensboro, South Carolina! No such place!
And both Mariah songs which I mentioned in the post about the 1992 show that tied and broke the Richard Marx top 10 record are in this show. "Anytime You Need a Friend" as a R&D and "Endless Love" at #17.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 26, 2023 20:58:41 GMT -5
Just finished up the CT 2/23/91 show and Mark had a really interesting story that might be the first time CT 40 referenced the Hot 100 by name (sort of). And of course, it referenced Timmy T lol.
"One More Try" was at #5 and Mark told a story of how "Time After Time" came to become a "minor hit". It was wild hearing a story about a song that never hit CT, but still cool. Essentially, Timmy was trying to find a record contract and while he was doing that, he would go by bicycle around Fresno and central California to all radio stations giving them copies of "Time". Eventually it caught on to be more than a regional hit.
What was cool was Mark said that "Time After Time" would become a "minor hit for Timmy. It hit the top 100". I mean, he's right. It was a minor hit in the grand scheme of things, and since it never hit the top 40 R and R it would make sense for him to say that. I thought it was neat that he referenced the Hot 100 without calling it, "Hot 100". And I guarantee "Time After Time" got a better story on CT than it did May 5, 1990 on AT. Interesting stuff.
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 26, 2023 21:24:42 GMT -5
Just finished the 11/12/94 CT40, not too long after woolebull finished his show. Btw, Timmy T on the Hot 100 is an artist whose only hits peaked at 1 and 40. Exclusive club there! Got my own quote from Casey. 'Madonna says she has found her man. But she won't say who it is because it's a secret' and then a chuckle before playing that song. Wonder if he was putting us on. She would marry Guy Ritchie in 2000. A 6 year courtship?
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Post by woolebull on Feb 26, 2023 23:37:59 GMT -5
Currently listening to CT 2/23/91 with Mark Elliot filling in for Casey. At #16, up 15 notches was Londonbeat and "I've Been Thinking About You". I remember the song shot up fast but that jump caught me by surprise listening to it. Outside of Sinead, has any artist gone up the chart at quickly as Londonbeat into the top 10 on R and R with their first hit (31-16-10)? (Note: USA For Africa did it in two weeks, but of course that was a special supergroup). Listening to another Mark Elliott CT40, from 8/1/92. He makes one of the biggest mistakes I have ever heard in one of these shows. After playing "End of the Road" and saying it was from the movie Boomerang, he said that the #1 song from 10 years ago was also from a movie. It was An Officer and a Gentleman and the song was "Up Where We Belong". That hit #1 but not until the first week of November. This is the first week of August! That's not even close! I have been thinking about the mistake of mentioning "Up Where We Belong". They did get half the comment right: exactly 10 years ago to the date, there was a movie song at #1, it just obviously wasn't "Belong". "Eye Of The Tiger" was still going strong. So points for getting that there was a movie theme at #1 a decade before...but yeah, way off on Joe and Jennifer.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 26, 2023 23:44:37 GMT -5
Finishing up the 5/26/90 AT40. This is the third show I have heard this year in which Shadoe or Casey tells about an artist who had to listen to pop music in secret instead of either classical or gospel as their parents wanted. Tony Braxton and Mariah did it and on this show, Shadoe tells about how Jane Child listened to R&B stations from across the border in Buffalo on her transistor radio. Mariah also listened on a transistor radio. Would be interesting to compile a list of all the artists Casey or Shadoe mentioned who got their rock music careers started in secret. Btw, "Don't Wanna Fall in Love" is right up there among my fave songs by one hit wonders. A pair of songs titled "Hold On" and that is part of a record mentioned by Shadoe. 12 songs in the 50 year history of the Billboard chart have had that title with 6 of those hitting the top 40(all during AT40 history). One of those is part of another record that is tied in this show. That is a top 5 entirely made up of female artists. First time it happened was in 1979. This one had Janet at 5, Wilson Philips with their "Hold On" at 4, Sinead O'Connor at 3, Heart at 2 and Madonna at #1 with "Vogue". Shadoe reviewed that first top 5 by women which had Donna Summer having 2 of the songs. So this is the first time that the 5 songs have been by 5 different female artists. Just realized that Heart is made up of men and women so Shadoe is considering only the vocalists when he says this is a women only top 5. My birthday show! Up to that point, that was my fourth one (5/26/73. 79. 84. 90). That first hour for me is straight fire. Some of my favorite songs ever are in that first hour: particularly Electronic and Louie Louie. Then in hour 2 with Child, Stansfield, Jude Cole, Giant and a huge Hot 100 debut by NKOTB. And I would take "Vogue" all day over "Let's Hear It For The Boy" and "Reunited" for my birthday #1 (However, "Frankenstein" will never be topped for me for birthday songs). It is without a doubt the favorite of my birthday shows.
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Post by woolebull on Feb 27, 2023 0:11:49 GMT -5
I just started the 2/28/87 AT show. Out of the shoot, I realized something. I had never heard "Don't Need A Gun" on an AT 40 show so it was cool to hear Casey introing it. 1987 Idol is wild to me: He hit the top 40 three times before, "Mony Mony" in that year, yet when I think of 1987 Billy I always forget about the three other hits and just think of "Mony".
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Post by dukelightning on Feb 27, 2023 10:32:06 GMT -5
Finishing up the 5/26/90 AT40. This is the third show I have heard this year in which Shadoe or Casey tells about an artist who had to listen to pop music in secret instead of either classical or gospel as their parents wanted. Tony Braxton and Mariah did it and on this show, Shadoe tells about how Jane Child listened to R&B stations from across the border in Buffalo on her transistor radio. Mariah also listened on a transistor radio. Would be interesting to compile a list of all the artists Casey or Shadoe mentioned who got their rock music careers started in secret. Btw, "Don't Wanna Fall in Love" is right up there among my fave songs by one hit wonders. A pair of songs titled "Hold On" and that is part of a record mentioned by Shadoe. 12 songs in the 50 year history of the Billboard chart have had that title with 6 of those hitting the top 40(all during AT40 history). One of those is part of another record that is tied in this show. That is a top 5 entirely made up of female artists. First time it happened was in 1979. This one had Janet at 5, Wilson Philips with their "Hold On" at 4, Sinead O'Connor at 3, Heart at 2 and Madonna at #1 with "Vogue". Shadoe reviewed that first top 5 by women which had Donna Summer having 2 of the songs. So this is the first time that the 5 songs have been by 5 different female artists. Just realized that Heart is made up of men and women so Shadoe is considering only the vocalists when he says this is a women only top 5. My birthday show! Up to that point, that was my fourth one (5/26/73. 79. 84. 90). That first hour for me is straight fire. Some of my favorite songs ever are in that first hour: particularly Electronic and Louie Louie. Then in hour 2 with Child, Stansfield, Jude Cole, Giant and a huge Hot 100 debut by NKOTB. And I would take "Vogue" all day over "Let's Hear It For The Boy" and "Reunited" for my birthday #1 (However, "Frankenstein" will never be topped for me for birthday songs). It is without a doubt the favorite of my birthday shows. You forgot a show during the time that Casey was counting down the hits..5/26/01. "Lady Marmalade" was the new #1 song. Not listening to that show as I have already heard it but am not that far away from it. The 6/9/01 AT40 and my fave songs are almost back to back. Incubus' "Drive" at 20 and Samantha Mumba's "Baby Come on Over" at 18. That's an 18 year old as Casey said at #18. Seen the video for that song which btw is the same version as in the video, unlike earlier in her chart run and she looks like a gal in her early to mid 20s in it. If I say a LDD was by Mariah, one would guess "I'll Be There", "Hero", "One Sweet Day" or even "Anytime You Need a Friend" that was a R&D in the 1994 show I heard yesterday, was played. Not the case this time as "Butterfly" was dedicated. Interesting that a couple songs later was another "Butterfly", the hit at #15 by Crazy Town.
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 2, 2023 19:46:00 GMT -5
Tonight it's the CT40 from 4/16/94. Kurt Cobain's life ended on April 5th of that year which is a Tuesday. I thought the CT40 shows were recorded on Wednesdays so this show would have been recorded the day after his death. And yet there was no mention of it. Instead Casey told a story of how Don Was had assembled a bunch of musicians to recreate the early (1961) Beatles sound. Dave Grohl was one of those musicians. "Apologies" dropped out the following week so if Casey mentioned Cobain then, it was in a special segment. A couple other alternative tracks in the show that are among my faves, Smashing Pumpkins' "Disarm" and Alice in Chains' "No Excuses".
I think it was a 1991 show that I heard awhile back when Casey told the history of juke boxes since they had been invented 100 years earlier. He mentioned computerized juke boxes then and went into detail about them here. By dialing a 900 number(remember them, they were the rage in the 90s!), you could have the video of your choice played for about $2. He said that videos that were not on the main video channels like rap ones were often played on the channel. Lead into one of those songs "Gin & Juice", great one there from Snoop Dogg. Then I was fooled by the next song. It had a familiar beat which I thought was sampling another hit. Turns out it was this song itself that was sampled a few years later. It's "Hey DJ" and that was sampled by Mariah on "Honey", the song that signaled her movement into hip hop. Not a big hit that she sampled but the beat is distinctive so not surprised.
Casey tells how Richard Marx' "Right Here Waiting" and "Now and Forever" are both love letters to his wife Cynthia Rhodes, the latter also a thank you to her for putting up with him over the years as he admitted he is a tough person to live with. This top 10 hit is sandwiched in between his only 2 non top 10 hits in his career. And all his other top 10 hits are part of his then record 12 top 10 hits in 12 releases.
It's an over 2 year drought for male solo artists at #1 that ends with Prince rising to the top, the longest such drought in the rock era. Ironically it would not have ended had the monitored chart started 2 weeks earlier as "The Sign" would have stayed on top. And the drought would have reached nearly 3 and a half years before Seal hit #1 in August 1995. Great song though, ranks right up there with "When Doves Cry" and "Thieves in the Temple" as my faves from the purple one. So glad they held off on that monitored chart. Of course dozens of hits would have been deprived of their #1 status had the monitored chart existed all along. Wonder if anyone has ever delved into that subject.
Never heard this story in a show but I heard it in one of Casey's biggest hits tracks. Guns 'n Roses made their debut in 1985 at a club on Sunset Blvd. at 1 AM in front of 2 fans, one if which was asleep! Played "Patience".
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Post by Mike on Mar 3, 2023 0:24:04 GMT -5
Tonight it's the CT40 from 4/16/94. Kurt Cobain's life ended on April 5th of that year which is a Tuesday. I thought the CT40 shows were recorded on Wednesdays so this show would have been recorded the day after his death. And yet there was no mention of it. It's been determined that he actually died on the 5th, but he wasn't found dead until the 8th. I'd say it's highly likely that this show would have been recorded and either completely finished with post-production or would still be in post-production by the 8th - and it's not like Westwood One would have been any kind of entity where one could go back and make any kind of last minute show changes or anything like that. It's an over 2 year drought for male solo artists at #1 that ends with Prince rising to the top, the longest such drought in the rock era. Ironically it would not have ended had the monitored chart started 2 weeks earlier as "The Sign" would have stayed on top. And the drought would have reached nearly 3 and a half years before Seal hit #1 in August 1995. Great song though, ranks right up there with "When Doves Cry" and "Thieves in the Temple" as my faves from the purple one. So glad they held off on that monitored chart. Of course dozens of hits would have been deprived of their #1 status had the monitored chart existed all along. Wonder if anyone has ever delved into that subject. Which makes Michael Jackson the last male solo singer to hit #1...all by himself, before Shadoe's AT40 shut down in January 1995. But note my distinction of "all by himself": Between MJ and Seal, male solo singers would still hit #1 on two separate occasions. But one was in a duet with Regina Belle ("A Whole New World") and the other saw not one but three male solo singers hit #1 all at once, the trio of Bryan Adams, Rod Stewart, and Sting (whose "All For Love", oddly enough, would have been falling off AT40 this very same week). ETA: I will also note that had Shadoe's AT40 continued on, then after Seal, it would be another three years and change to even get to the next male solo singer hitting #1 after him - and this time, there wouldn't even be any duets or any kind of collaborations inbetween! No...after Seal, the next male solo singer to hit #1 on Billboard's Mainstream chart wouldn't be until Shawn Mullins did it in December 1998. Of course this was only made possible thanks to Tony Rich (as The Tony Rich Project) being denied the top spot on the Billboard chart - he spent 3 non-consecutive weeks at #2 there (first two behind Everything But the Girl, then "Ironic" jumped past, then the third week at #2 was behind Alanis).
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Post by dukelightning on Mar 3, 2023 7:58:24 GMT -5
Kurt Cobain was not anywhere the legend that John Lennon was so it's not surprising that they did not send off a new segment for the Nirvana song as AT40 did in 1980. Casey did mention that MJ was the last male solo artist to hit #1 with "Remember the Time". And I understood right away what he meant when he said all that. He has been consistent going back to the AT40 days of always considering male and female solo artists as just that. Artists who were solo on a particular recording. When those artists team up with other artists for either a duet or some other collaboration, he calls it a duo or a group. I get that. So the 2 year drought was eclipsed by far in between the Seal and Shawn Mullins hits. In fact it was close to what the drought would have been had the monitored chart started a little earlier to keep Ace of Base on top, at about 3 years and 3-4 months.
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Post by Mike on Mar 3, 2023 11:01:57 GMT -5
So the 2 year drought was eclipsed by far in between the Seal and Shawn Mullins hits. In fact it was close to what the drought would have been had the monitored chart started a little earlier to keep Ace of Base on top, at about 3 years and 3-4 months. That's just Billboard though, where with no one in between Michael Jackson and Seal (MJ's coming from the Radio Monitor, but with no Mainstream chart at that point yet we have to use what we can), it'd be 3 years and 5 months. From Seal to Shawn Mullins it's 3 years and 2 months. On CT40, however, things change: Prince resets the clock, then Seal hits #1 the following year, then Tony Rich gets there the year after that. So the gap would instead be from Tony Rich to Shawn Mullins (by which time CT40 has changed to a revived AT40, but the chart source remains the same) - though that would indeed surpass the MJ-to-Prince drought. MJ to Prince is 2 years and roughly a month, Tony Rich to Shawn Mullins is 2 years and 8 months.
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