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Post by Mike on May 12, 2022 0:53:44 GMT -5
If Taylor Swift hits the top 40 this year, she will enter her 16th straight year with a new song in the top 40, a streak starting in 2007 with "Teardrops On My Guitar". She last hit the top 40 last year with "Message In A Bottle", which hit the top 20 on pop airplay. Artist's rendering of my thoughts on the matter. (It's not suitable for posting here out in the open, LOL.) (Quoted because I tried posting it by itself and it wanted to start a new page. )
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Post by dukelightning on May 12, 2022 6:40:50 GMT -5
Mike, you got me there! Here is how I handle these streaks as they relate to 'new' hits as they extend into a new year. If an artist has already had a hit in a given year, then a subsequent hit that extends its chart run into the next year can count toward that new year. This is contrary to the way Billboard does it. Let's review what happened with the king of the annual top 40 streak, Elton John. They credited him with a 27th consecutive year of hitting the top 40 when "Blessed" which had made the top 40 in the last few weeks of 1995 had just hung in there after peaking at 34 into 1996. He had reached the top 40 earlier in 1995 with "Believe". So I count "Blessed" as a top 40 for 1996 even though the majority of its weeks in the top 40 were in 1995. Then he extended his streak to 29 years according to Billboard when "Candle in the Wind 1997/Something About the Way You Look Tonight" did the same thing as "Blessed" did a couple years earlier. It hit the top 40 in 1997 and then stayed there into 1998. The exception is that he had no prior top 40 hits in 1997 so I cannot count it for 1998. The rule being that one hit even a double sided hit as that one cannot count toward two years. So Madonna does get credit for "Me Against the Music" as a top 40 hit in 2004 since she had a prior top 40 hit in 2003. However, you are giving her credit for hitting the top 40 in 2006 with "Hung Up". But that doesn't fly because it hit the top 40 in 2005 and she had no prior top 40 hits that year. So 2005 marks the last year of her top 40 streak meaning she reached 23 years with it.
To complete the picture, let's review who had the distinction of having the longest top 40 streaks in AT40 history at least while Casey was hosting it. From 1970 to 1978 it was Elvis who reached 23 years and that does not corroborate with what Casey said over the years. He only gave him credit for 22 years meaning they must not have counted "My Way" which spent its last week in the 40 the first week of 1978. And this would count under my rule since he had a prior top 40 hit in 1977. Elton took over the mantle starting in 1979 and held it through 1995 at which time he had amassed 26 years. Btw, unlike the Hot 100, "Blessed" did not hit the top 40 on the R&R chart so that is why his streak ends there. Then Madonna and Prince both take over in 1996 at 14 years with both hitting in 1997 for a 15th year before Prince's streak ends in 1998 leaving Madonna all alone through 2005 with her 23 years, matching Elvis. Mike or freakyflybry, feel free to go through the years since then if you want. Yes the featuring situation muddies the picture somewhat. I would count any hit that an artist is featured on.
It should be noted that only since AT40 was using R&R chart data does Madonna reach 23 years with her streak. Because "Spotlight" was a top 40 hit in 1988 on that chart whereas it did not chart at all on the Hot 100 as a non-released single. One could argue that since Madonna never had a hit on AT40 in 1988 (and CT40 did not exist yet then), her streak really started in 1989. Prince would then take over all by himself in 1996 and 1997 before Madonna takes over in 1998. Her streak is only 17 years in 2005.
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Post by Mike on May 13, 2022 11:56:28 GMT -5
Making it my turn to give a spin to March 12, 1994...only I'm picking from the AT40 side. And here's a comparison stat: Guest host David Hall says "Baby, I Love Your Way" is one of eight remakes that week. Comparing that to the scorecard from CT40, AT40 would have had all of those minus "Since I Don't Have You", but plus "I Can See Clearly Now" and "Because the Night" which were both still in. (Both songs would make it to 26 weeks, going recurrent on back to back weeks in May.) But that's only 7. The 8th can only be reached by them counting "Whatta Man". So it's interesting that AT40 counted it while CT40 did not. On another note: Who was David Hall, anyway? He makes absolutely no mention of where he's from or what he would have been doing at this time. He seems to come across like he'd have been a DJ or else otherwise had a position somewhere in radio. (I think at one point he mentions being brought in from Dallas.) And I'm not completely sure, but unlike other instances, Shadoe did not mention this guest-host stint in advance - I have both 2/26 and 3/5, and there's no mention of it in either. And David says Shadoe was taking a needed vacation, so this doesn't appear to have been a sick week, either. All that being said, he minds the AT40 Store well enough. Also, fun fact: This is the one and only week where both shows existed where both AT40 and CT40 had guest hosts for the week - the Weekly Top 40, having just had guest hosts from the cast of Beverly Hills, 90210 on 2/26, is the only one to have their regular guy in.
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Post by dukelightning on May 14, 2022 8:15:09 GMT -5
Mike, you might want to recalculate the number of remakes in that show. Did not expect to hear "Whatta Man" in a show from 4 months later (7/16/94 AT40) but I did. And it was several songs later that Shadoe said that we are up to our first remake in the show which was Garth Brooks' "Hard Luck Woman". He played a clip of Kiss' original before playing it and in the outro said that it was Kiss playing the instruments and Garth doing the singing. Did not realize that. I suppose that is why the song did not appear on one of Garth's own albums. Guessing it did not fare too well on the country chart either. Anyway, in the outro to "Whatta Man", Shadoe said 'did you think the gals wrote that song'? and said no it was producer Dave Crawford who wrote it. Which is a bit misleading since Crawford did not produce that song but the original by Linda Lyndell. How they cannot count that as a remake is beyond my comprehension. Upon further research into this, I think they are only counting songs as remakes if the original charted on the Hot 100. The Lyndell hit only reached the R&B chart. I don't think it should have be a Hot 100 hit myself. I would count anything that was recorded and so would include even non-released songs. Of course researching that is lot more difficult certainly in the days before the internet. Another factoid I was not aware of until Shadoe mentioned it was that Lionel Richie and Luther Vandross sang backup vocals on Richard Marx' "The Way She Loves Me". But upon listening to those vocals at the end of the song, I still cannot decipher that it was them singing. Btw it is the biggest mover, 40 to 28.
Speaking of guest hosts, the next 2 shows are both guest hosted and those are the last guest hosted shows in Shadoe's run as host, the only time back to back Shadoe era shows were guest hosted. It means that consecutive AT40 shows dated July 30 were the last guest hosted shows in a hosts run as host (7/30/88 and 7/30/94). Late in the show is when we found out why he was guest hosted for as he mentioned his upcoming trip to South Africa. Were it not for the recurrent rule, I am guessing that this show would be a no debut show. The only dropper was "The Sign" from all the way up at 20 and the only debut is "Selling the Drama" by Live at 40. So had Sign been allowed to drop a few notches, Live would have been at #41 instead of 40.
Tevin Campbell planned on having 35 albums out by the time he was 37. Ah, he fell a little short of that goal! Ended up with 4 albums to his credit, all in the 90s. He is another example of an artist who had hits in his or her teens but nothing once he or she reached 20 years old. Repeating myself here, but "Regulate" is the song that IMO has the best sounding sampling of any song in it. "I Keep Forgettin" is the sampled song. Of course it is a much bigger hit than this chart makes it out to be which means a lot of people agree with my accessment of it. Good grief! I spelled that word between my and of correctly and the sensor turned it into something else! So I had to misspell it. Instead of the first 3 letters being 'acc' the first 3 letters are 'a' followed by 'ss'.
One artist who had a hit as teenager but did have hits after he/she reached 20 years old is Aaliyah. If she had not been killed in that plane crash, she would have come a lot closer to reaching 35 albums by age 37! "Back and Forth" is already a gold single according to Shadoe. A trio of superstar divas in the top 10 with Janet, then Mariah then Madonna. Have to base this on R&R chart data since all of their chart careers far exceed the then current AT40. But that is 38 past and future #1 hits represented by that trio. If that is not the record for most #1 hits past, present or future by 3 consecutive artists, it's very close to it.
After listening to the promos for this show which referenced what was said the previous week, I listened to the intro to the #1 song "Don't Turn Around" which held that position on the show I just heard. Shadoe says that they are the first group to hit #1 with their first 3 releases. So he has not budged from his/their position that the Jackson Five did not do that.
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2022 10:57:58 GMT -5
Mike, you might want to recalculate the number of remakes in that show. As I said, AT40 had all of them from CT40: Without You, The Power Of Love, So Much In Love, Baby I Love Your Way, Since I Don't Have You, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through. Minus Since I Don't Have You: Without You, The Power Of Love, So Much In Love, Baby I Love Your Way, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through. Plus I Can See Clearly Now and Because the Night: Without You, The Power Of Love, So Much In Love, Baby I Love Your Way, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through, I Can See Clearly Now, Because the Night. Which is only 7. So the 8th must be Whatta Man, because nobody else fits. No reason that 7/16 couldn't be the show with an error in counting them...
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2022 11:08:48 GMT -5
He played a clip of Kiss' original before playing it and in the outro said that it was Kiss playing the instruments and Garth doing the singing. Did not realize that. I suppose that is why the song did not appear on one of Garth's own albums. Guessing it did not fare too well on the country chart either. As I said earlier this week in the 80s thread, "Hard Luck Woman" would not count as a crossover as it was not even released there. It reached #67 on the Country chart, solely off of unsolicited airplay (stations playing it just because it's Garth). Of course it is a much bigger hit than this chart makes it out to be which means a lot of people agree with my accessment of it. Good grief! I spelled that word between my and of correctly and the sensor turned it into something else! So I had to misspell it. Instead of the first 3 letters being 'acc' the first 3 letters are 'a' followed by 'ss'. That's what happens when people set Puritan-esque board censors and can't be bothered to do it correctly.
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Post by dukelightning on May 14, 2022 11:57:57 GMT -5
Mike, you might want to recalculate the number of remakes in that show. As I said, AT40 had all of them from CT40: Without You, The Power Of Love, So Much In Love, Baby I Love Your Way, Since I Don't Have You, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through. Minus Since I Don't Have You: Without You, The Power Of Love, So Much In Love, Baby I Love Your Way, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through. Plus I Can See Clearly Now and Because the Night: Without You, The Power Of Love, So Much In Love, Baby I Love Your Way, Rock and Roll Dreams Come Through, I Can See Clearly Now, Because the Night. Which is only 7. So the 8th must be Whatta Man, because nobody else fits. No reason that 7/16 couldn't be the show with an error in counting them... Good point. Btw, Shadoe did say at another point that there were 4 remakes in the show. Besides Garth there was "I'll Take You There", "Baby I Love Your Way" and "Wild Night". It is also hypocritical for them not to count "Whatta Man" as a remake because the original did not reach the Hot 100 when they are counting that Jackson Five hit which missed the Hot 100 (also in 1968) to disqualify them from hitting #1 with their first 3/4 releases(allowing Mariah and Ace of Base the achievements they had).
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Post by Mike on May 14, 2022 18:19:18 GMT -5
Another fun fact from 3/12/94 - well, related to that week anyway as it was not mentioned during the show. But it relates to one of those remakes, "Without You" - that week back in 1972, Nilsson was #1 with it.
Such was what I was reminded of while listening to 3/10/90 today - whose Flashback is, of course, that week back in 1972.
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Post by dth1971 on May 14, 2022 20:26:40 GMT -5
Making it my turn to give a spin to March 12, 1994...only I'm picking from the AT40 side. And here's a comparison stat: Guest host David Hall says "Baby, I Love Your Way" is one of eight remakes that week. Comparing that to the scorecard from CT40, AT40 would have had all of those minus "Since I Don't Have You", but plus "I Can See Clearly Now" and "Because the Night" which were both still in. (Both songs would make it to 26 weeks, going recurrent on back to back weeks in May.) But that's only 7. The 8th can only be reached by them counting "Whatta Man". So it's interesting that AT40 counted it while CT40 did not. On another note: Who was David Hall, anyway? He makes absolutely no mention of where he's from or what he would have been doing at this time. He seems to come across like he'd have been a DJ or else otherwise had a position somewhere in radio. (I think at one point he mentions being brought in from Dallas.) And I'm not completely sure, but unlike other instances, Shadoe did not mention this guest-host stint in advance - I have both 2/26 and 3/5, and there's no mention of it in either. And David says Shadoe was taking a needed vacation, so this doesn't appear to have been a sick week, either. All that being said, he minds the AT40 Store well enough. Also, fun fact: This is the one and only week where both shows existed where both AT40 and CT40 had guest hosts for the week - the Weekly Top 40, having just had guest hosts from the cast of Beverly Hills, 90210 on 2/26, is the only one to have their regular guy in. David Hull is not to be confused with Dave Hull, who was AT40's first guest host in November 1971. If it was Dave Hull and not David Hall for Shadoe AT40 on March 12, 1994, Dave Hull would have been the first guest host to fill in for Casey and Shadoe in different AT40 host periods! Why didn't Charlie Van Dyke get a chance to fill in for Shadoe on AT40?
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Post by dukelightning on May 15, 2022 8:47:15 GMT -5
Another fun fact from 3/12/94 - well, related to that week anyway as it was not mentioned during the show. But it relates to one of those remakes, "Without You" - that week back in 1972, Nilsson was #1 with it. Such was what I was reminded of while listening to 3/10/90 today - whose Flashback is, of course, that week back in 1972. I count 7 songs which hit #1 in 1972 that were covered into top 40 hits which I think is more than any other year. 2 more of those remakes of #1 hits were in the top 40 on the anniversary of the original being at #1...."I'll Take You There" in 1994 and "I Can See Clearly Now" in 1993. Tina Turner's remake of "Let's Stay Together" debuted the week after the anniversary of the original being at #1 and the other 3 remakes of 1972 #1 hits are "American Pie", "Oh Girl" and "Lean on Me". Once again I am listening to a show from 4 months after a show Mike heard, the CT40 from 7/21/90, though I intended on hearing a July 1989 CT40 but did not want to hear a guest hosted show after not hearing Casey in 3 countdowns yesterday. (A Shadoe show, the 90s on 9 SiriusXM countdwon from 1998 where exactly half the songs did not reach AT40 and I did not recognize any of them...a Leann Rimes song and 14 R&B/hip-hop/rap songs and part of the 2008 countdown on Y2K which confirmed by suspicion that the Hot 100 and AT40 were more aligned then than in the mid to late 90s). (Did come across a song I had never heard before which makes for an interesting question...Rick Ross recorded "The Boss", a good song which is not a cover of Diana Ross' "The Boss"; the former peaked at 17, the latter peaked at 19 begetting the question have two artists with the same surname ever peaked at the same position with the same titled song?) In this show, Casey has said that Ian Broudie intended on making Lightning Seeds into a group instead of the one man recording act that it was on "Pure". He did that first by adding a guy in 1992 and barely scratched the Hot 100 with a hit if you can call it that and then adding several members in 1994. But they never hit any CHR chart from that point on. Definite one hit wonder here. Btw, upon looing this up, I found out that Lightning Seeds comes from a misheard Prince lyric. In "Raspberry Beret", he sings 'thunder drowns out what the lightning sees'. Of course Prince was a one man band for awhile himself. Mentioned "Oh Girl" above. Casey tells a story revolving around the other big Chi-Lites hit that was covered, "Have You Seen Her", by MC Hammer in this show. Casey tells how the Chi-Lites were originally called the Hi-Lites and for several years they could not get any hits. So they changed their name simply by adding that 'C' to their name which was a way of paying tribute to their hometown of Chicago. Things started happening at that point. Casey played of clip of the original which I do prefer over this cover but not by that much. Certainly a better cover than Paul Young's remake of "Oh Girl" which does nothing for me. In the intro to "Come Back to Me", Casey mentions that in her concerts she frequently cries while singing it and sometimes leaves the stage afterward because of it. Reminds me of brother Michael singing "She's Out of My Life". Her record label waited until the 5th single to release a ballad for both her Control and Rhythm Nation albums. For her next album, the first ballad was the third single "Again". Earliest I have ever heard Casey or anyone mention the #1 hits on the other charts, before #10. Of course in this time frame, he only mentions 2 charts, R&B and country.
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Post by Mike on May 15, 2022 11:22:48 GMT -5
^ Earliest I have ever heard Casey read them? Before #12! That's right, not even in the final hour. Happened 24 years ago last week (5/9/98).
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Post by dukelightning on May 15, 2022 16:11:44 GMT -5
Wow, that's amazing. Flipped back through these pages to find out that I heard that show in 2015 but did not comment on that. Now I am listening to the show that I passed on earlier in the day, the CT40 from 7/8/89 with Mark Elliott at the mic. Wish he did not give way to David Perry as guest host in the 90s. Does a fine job. Show starts out with 2 songs by Richard Marx. "Satisfied" is played as last week's #1 song before "Right Here Waiting" debuts at 40. Not much to comment on in this show. Played "Dancing in the Streets" by Jagger and Bowie as an extra after telling the story of Live Aid. I had forgotten that Streets had been premiered in that event. One of my faves debuts, "Heading For a Heartbreak" with Mark saying that Wingers' debut album had gone platinum. Big hair bands were hot then! Comments are few but there are a lot of good songs. Dino has a good description of this show...I like it! The promos for this show were done my Mark as well. I do not recall ever hearing promos done by the guest host. Usually there are generic promos done by Casey for a guest hosted show.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on May 15, 2022 22:21:34 GMT -5
Wow, that's amazing. Flipped back through these pages to find out that I heard that show in 2015 but did not comment on that. Now I am listening to the show that I passed on earlier in the day, the CT40 from 7/8/89 with Mark Elliott at the mic. Wish he did not give way to David Perry as guest host in the 90s. Does a fine job. Show starts out with 2 songs by Richard Marx. "Satisfied" is played as last week's #1 song before "Right Here Waiting" debuts at 40. Not much to comment on in this show. Played "Dancing in the Streets" by Jagger and Bowie as an extra after telling the story of Live Aid. I had forgotten that Streets had been premiered in that event. One of my faves debuts, "Heading For a Heartbreak" with Mark saying that Wingers' debut album had gone platinum. Big hair bands were hot then! Comments are few but there are a lot of good songs. Dino has a good description of this show...I like it! The promos for this show were done my Mark as well. I do not recall ever hearing promos done by the guest host. Usually there are generic promos done by Casey for a guest hosted show. Definitely agree with you on Mark Elliott vs. David Perry. Speaking of the latter, I recently heard his first show on 7/10/1993. There are parts where he just sounds...blah. Gonna be a long road after this; I think any other guest host wouldn't appear until 3/21/1998, I think. As for Mark doing the promos, there were five shows in which he voiced the promos along with hosting the show. They are: 1989: 3/11, 7/8, 7/22, 8/12, 9/9 On 10/14/1989, Mark guest-hosted but Casey did the promos, which all of them were general, as opposed to show-specific (which they usually are). Those same four generic promos were used for the 12/9/1989, 1/6/1990, and 2/10/1990 shows. I don't have any promos for 3/10/1990 or 7/7/1990 in my copies. It appears the practice of guest hosts voicing the promos was short-lived. But, yes, I truly enjoyed hearing Mark count down the hits if Casey was out. And later, Ed McMann was a much needed breath of fresh air. Once we get to the AT40 2.0 era, guest-hosted shows didn't have any promos. At least they're not there in my copies.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on May 15, 2022 22:51:41 GMT -5
Still playing catch-up with my marathons...got 1981 in the car (just finished up 10/10, with "Endless Love" spending its 9th and final week at the top), while I've had 1993 (CT40) playing at work (currently on 7/10, the first one with David Perry). Just graduated high school that summer; the hits sure bring back a lot of memories.
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Post by Mike on May 15, 2022 23:03:59 GMT -5
Once we get to the AT40 2.0 era, guest-hosted shows didn't have any promos. At least they're not there in my copies. No, the practice of not having guest hosts do promos was in place for Casey's second run. For example: charismusicgroup.com/Cue%20Sheets/1998-0711.pdf (see page 4)
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