No Debuts

[corey]

I noticed that on Casey's Top 40 of September 24, 1994, there were no debuts and no re-entries. That means the same 40 songs as the previous week are on the countdown, even though in different order.

Does anyone know there are any another week that rarity happens ?

[robert]

Don't know for sure but it wasn't very likely to happen before the change took place in a chart methodology, so you have to search for it from 1994 onwards.

[freakyflybry]

I know it happened a few times on AT40 in 1993-94 when they used Billboard's Top 40 Mainstream chart, but I don't think it has happened on CT40/AT40 with Casey using R&R other than that week. I know in 2003 (it was 6/29) there was a week where there was just a re-entry (I think it was "The Anthem" by Good Charlotte) but no debuts though.

[Adam]

The 8/27/95 CT40 show had no debuts as well.

[freakyflybry]

adamusic319 said:

The 8/27/95 CT40 show had no debuts as well.

While it didn't have any debuts, Van Halen re-entered with "Not Enough".

U2's "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me" was the only dropper.

[Hervard]

Yeah, I remember that show. I had missed the previous week's show, so I expected to be able to piece the show together save for a few positions. But when I found out there was only one dropper, and I knew what it was, I'd be able to get the whole chart from the week before.

Whenever there was a countdown with no debuts, instead of mentioning that, Casey mentioned that there was lots of chart action this week, big moves by... and then he'd mention the artists who took the biggest jumps on the countdown. For some reason, he also said that on January 18, 1992 show, even though there were three debuts. But two of them were by artists who had never hit the countdown before, so, rather than to talk about artists that nobody had ever heard of before, he mentioned that there were many songs that jumped at least five spots (there was indeed lots of chart action that week, as it was based on the first chart of 1992, after a two-week break). Oddly enough, most of the action was up in the Top Ten. Karyn White's "The Way I Feel About You" moved 19-9, "Don't Let The Sun Go Down On Me" by George Michael with Elton John moved 11-4 and Prince had the biggest move of the week, making an impressive 18-5 jump.

I was thinking that there was a chart in April 2000 with no debuts, but I was thinking of the entire Top 50 chart instead of just the Top 40 portion.

[Mike]

Found a week pre-1994 with only one debut: 1/2/93. (No wonder they picked nearly the earliest possible date on the calendar to blow off that respective chart, eh?)

The only debut is Michael Jackson's "Heal the World" at #38, replacing Saigon Kick's "Love is on the Way" (#27 on the last 1992 countdown, 12/12).

A closer look at the chart itself...might explain this a little more, though. As it happens, on the previous week's chart (R&R, December 4), the first THIRTEEN songs were all bulleted - Saigon Kick had the lowest unbulleted song. And theirs was one of only NINE on the entire chart not to have one. Oh yeah...there were also six debuts that week, too. Put all that together, and it'd be all-but a given that a one-debut week could follow. As it stands, the first two songs on the December 11 chart (used for the 1/2/93 CT40) took huge drops to the bottom two - "Layla" plummeted 24-40 and "Rhythm is a Dancer" slid 19-39.

December 11 chart (1/2/93 CT40): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-12-11.pdf

December 4 chart (12/12/92 CT40): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-12-04.pdf

Go to the last page in each to see the chart.



As, presumably, one debut was the lowest for CT40 pre-May 1994...any other weeks to have only one?

[OnWithTheCountdown]

Dec 22, 2020 7:45:52 GMT -5 Mike said:

As, presumably, one debut was the lowest for CT40 pre-May 1994...any other weeks to have only one?

Well, I'm about to start a 1993 CT40 marathon once I get through the 1992 year-end. I can do a "sneak peek" into all the shows and find out if any others qualify.

Oh, yeah...1/2/1993 was one of my most recent acquisitions, too. 🙂

[woolebull]

Dec 22, 2020 7:45:52 GMT -5 Mike said:

Found a week pre-1994 with only one debut: 1/2/93. (No wonder they picked nearly the earliest possible date on the calendar to blow off that respective chart, eh?)

The only debut is Michael Jackson's "Heal the World" at #38, replacing Saigon Kick's "Love is on the Way" (#27 on the last 1992 countdown, 12/12).

A closer look at the chart itself...might explain this a little more, though. As it happens, on the previous week's chart (R&R, December 4), the first THIRTEEN songs were all bulleted - Saigon Kick had the lowest unbulleted song. And theirs was one of only NINE on the entire chart not to have one. Oh yeah...there were also six debuts that week, too. Put all that together, and it'd be all-but a given that a one-debut week could follow. As it stands, the first two songs on the December 11 chart (used for the 1/2/93 CT40) took huge drops to the bottom two - "Layla" plummeted 24-40 and "Rhythm is a Dancer" slid 19-39.

December 11 chart (1/2/93 CT40): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-12-11.pdf

December 4 chart (12/12/92 CT40): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-12-04.pdf

Go to the last page in each to see the chart.



As, presumably, one debut was the lowest for CT40 pre-May 1994...any other weeks to have only one?

I am currently listening to Dees 1/9/93. It is interesting to note there weren't many debuts on that show, either. I think there were just three.

[OnWithTheCountdown]

Jan 11, 2022 20:06:33 GMT -5 woolebull said:

Dec 22, 2020 7:45:52 GMT -5 Mike said:

Found a week pre-1994 with only one debut: 1/2/93. (No wonder they picked nearly the earliest possible date on the calendar to blow off that respective chart, eh?)

The only debut is Michael Jackson's "Heal the World" at #38, replacing Saigon Kick's "Love is on the Way" (#27 on the last 1992 countdown, 12/12).

A closer look at the chart itself...might explain this a little more, though. As it happens, on the previous week's chart (R&R, December 4), the first THIRTEEN songs were all bulleted - Saigon Kick had the lowest unbulleted song. And theirs was one of only NINE on the entire chart not to have one. Oh yeah...there were also six debuts that week, too. Put all that together, and it'd be all-but a given that a one-debut week could follow. As it stands, the first two songs on the December 11 chart (used for the 1/2/93 CT40) took huge drops to the bottom two - "Layla" plummeted 24-40 and "Rhythm is a Dancer" slid 19-39.

December 11 chart (1/2/93 CT40): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-12-11.pdf

December 4 chart (12/12/92 CT40): worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1992/RR-1992-12-04.pdf

Go to the last page in each to see the chart.



As, presumably, one debut was the lowest for CT40 pre-May 1994...any other weeks to have only one?

I am currently listening to Dees 1/9/93. It is interesting to note there weren't many debuts on that show, either. I think there were just three.

While I don't have the Dees show from that date, I do have CT40.  I think Dees and CT40 were in sync back then (or maybe not?).  But since CT40 aired their year-end on the weekends of 12/19 and 12/26, Dees aired his year-ends on 12/26 and 1/2 (which I have both parts).  So would the 1/2/1993 CT40 show be the same as the Dees 12/19/1992 show?

I don't have any November or December 1992 regular shows of Dees, so unsure how things lined up.  I know later in the decade Rick and CT40 were different.

Just listened to the show open of the CT40 show from 1/9/1993, and Casey mentioned four debuts.  So maybe things were already different between the two.

[Mike]

Jan 11, 2022 22:47:00 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

While I don't have the Dees show from that date, I do have CT40.

1/9 is this week's Dees 90s selection on the app - if you dare.

[Mike]

Jan 11, 2022 22:47:00 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

So would the 1/2/1993 CT40 show be the same as the Dees 12/19/1992 show?

Yes it would.

And woolebull is mis-remembering - there were indeed four debuts. Except for year-end periods when they weren't on the same schedule (such as 1992-93), and around the R&R chart change in April 1994, all short-lived instances, Dees and Casey didn't diverge until after ABC picked up Dees that July.

[woolebull]

Jan 12, 2022 10:54:46 GMT -5 Mike said:

Jan 11, 2022 22:47:00 GMT -5 OnWithTheCountdown said:

So would the 1/2/1993 CT40 show be the same as the Dees 12/19/1992 show?

Yes it would.

And woolebull is mis-remembering - there were indeed four debuts. Except for year-end periods when they weren't on the same schedule (such as 1992-93), and around the R&R chart change in April 1994, all short-lived instances, Dees and Casey didn't diverge until after ABC picked up Dees that July.

Thanks for that Mike...I listen to various top 40 shows when I run, and wasn't paying attention to the exact number of debuts. For those of you who have a chance to listen to the Dees 1/9/93 show that is streaming this week...I can give you two reasons too:

1) Rick breaking down the lyrics of "Sexual" by Goddess. That actually made me laugh out loud.

2) For me, when he called one of the winners for his contests and they were from Raleigh, NC...he breaks down the RTP area of NC like a boss, giving suburbs and everything. Rick is originally from Greensboro, NC and went to college at unc. As someone who did their grad work at the school that is the fiercest rival of chapel hill, it was cool to hear him name off all the towns, big and small, in the area. Rick rarely mentioned his unc ties (honestly can't remember but one time when he was talking to Ben Folds in 98) but it was cool hearing the real Rick come off on this show.

[dukelightning]

Ha! You did not need to spell that out about going to their rival over in Durham. Not capitalizing their name or the city they are located in did the job. As I tell people, I live here in Raleigh but I don't have a dog in the fight when it comes to the three colleges in the area! Since I did not go to any of those schools.

[woolebull]

Jan 12, 2022 19:23:07 GMT -5 dukelightning said:

Ha! You did not need to spell that out about going to their rival over in Durham. Not capitalizing their name or the city they are located in did the job. As I tell people, I live here in Raleigh but I don't have a dog in the fight when it comes to the three colleges in the area! Since I did not go to any of those schools.

Haha yup! To hear him name off the three main cities but then go with Fuquay-Varina and a redneck version of Lumberton made my 2022!