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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 6, 2012 18:21:04 GMT -5
How long would How Do I Live or Achy Breaky Heart have been #1 country when their sales were so far ahead of other standard radio-only type country #1s? In addition, like Wanted, How Do I Live or any ballad-y Swift single would have benefited from the slow legitimate build of crossover to AC/pop/adult 40 along with the continued sales appeal to a non-country audience. With the counting of sales AND crossover format airplay when they had never been a factor before on the country chart singles before, would this have made Convoy, Lookin For Love, Always On My Mind (Willie)....and on and on bigger country hits. Here's an opinion piece you all might find interesting! tasteofcountry.com/billboard-chart-changes/At least for LeAnn Rimes' " How Do I Live," probably somewhere between 10 and 15 weeks at least as a No. 1 single. Billy Ray Cyrus' " Achy Breaky Heart" probably would have been no more than six weeks. The one I think would have really benefitted from this methodology, had it been around in 1984, was " Why Not Me" by the Judds. This one got massive airplay back around Christmas 1984 and into early 1985, and I could see this song easily spending two months (8-9 weeks) atop the Hot Country Singles chart. Probably right behind that song, in terms of popularity at the time, was George Jones' " She's My Rock," which could have been in the bridesmaid's position for at least a couple more weeks than the three it did spend at No. 2. "Why Not Me" easily could have been the top country song of the 1980s, and far outdone Willie Nelson's " Always On My Mind," along with Randy Travis' " Forever And Ever Amen," Johnny Lee's " Lookin' For Love," and maybe Kenny Rogers' " Coward of the County" along with a couple of biggies by Ronnie Milsap, Eddie Rabbitt, Hank Williams Jr. and the Oak Ridge Boys from the 1980-1982 timeframe. Speaking of the Possum: Could " He Stopped Loving Her Today" have crossed over to the Hot 100 ... or in the very least the Hot Adult Contemporary Singles in 1980 had this methodology existed, simply on overall mainstream appeal alone? Lots of what could have beens, what might have beens ... on and on. Brian |
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 7, 2012 12:35:30 GMT -5
The group with the most number ones is The Beatles with 20. If that record will be broken, it could be decades to come. Who's even in 2nd place? The Bee Gees? They're no longer together and neither are The Black Eyed Peas, so right now, Maroon 5 has the most potential, but I really don't see that happening.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Dec 7, 2012 16:52:15 GMT -5
How 'bout Uncle Kracker? Didn't he spend like a year at #1 on the AC chart with Dobie Gray's song?
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Post by marv101 on Dec 7, 2012 20:05:24 GMT -5
Country radio is not becoming 'more and more irrrelevant'; it's been the most listened to format for 21 consecutive years after exploding in popularity in the very late eighties and early nineties at the same time that top 40 radio was in meltdown mode, except for a 15-month period when it ranked second to News-Talk during the 2008 election season.
It's that new BB chart which is irrelevant, since the labels are ignoring it, and there's no way that BB can save face for foisting it upon everybody.
Having one person determine what is and is not a country song is also absurd; that dictator is equally absurd.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Dec 8, 2012 1:48:10 GMT -5
Marv, country is the most programmed format in the US, but I don't believe it's the most listened to for popular singles. Country radio is the favorite in the smallest markets with the least dense populations, but not that big in major urban hubs like NYC (where there hasn't been a country radio station for over 25 years)
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 8, 2012 16:55:47 GMT -5
There is one that was mentioned on the 80s show this week. Elvis had 70 albums and singles which sold a million copies. He may have added a couple to that total as have the Beatles added to their second place total of 61. No one else was within shouting distance of Elvis...or the Beatles for that matter with the Stones sitting in third place with 31. Of course, with singles and albums not being sold anywhere near as much these days, none of the present day artists have a realistic shot at Elvis either.
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 13, 2012 9:39:22 GMT -5
Taylor Swift didn't quite make 10 weeks at No. 1 on the Hot Country Songs chart with " We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together." After nine weeks, she falls to No. 2, with Florida-Georgia Line now topping the list with " Cruise." Not to say she can't rebound, but not this week anyway. Buck Owens and his 1963 classic " Love's Gonna Live Here" continues as the last No. 1 to top the country chart for double-digit weeks (spending its 16th week atop the chart in January 1964). Marv, country is the most programmed format in the US, but I don't believe it's the most listened to for popular singles. Country radio is the favorite in the smallest markets with the least dense populations, but not that big in major urban hubs like NYC (where there hasn't been a country radio station for over 25 years) Uh, in the New York-New Jersey market, there is WKMK-WTHJ of Eatontown and Bass River Township, N.J. Of course, I don't know if the signal reaches metro New York. Brian |
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Post by jebsib on Dec 13, 2012 12:15:53 GMT -5
How has Country radio been the most listened to format for 21 years if its top songs never list above #15 on the all-format monitoring Hot 100 airplay chart? That chart is based on listener audience impressions. Not getting how that translates to 'most listened to'.
Do we know for a fact that the labels didn't request methodology change from Billboard for their chart of record? Seems that including sales and streaming is more comprehensive and telling than just ranking radio airplay.
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Post by saltrek on Dec 13, 2012 20:11:00 GMT -5
Probably because country songs mostly only get played on country stations, while "pop" songs will get play on mainstream, rhythm, hot ac, ac, rock, etc.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 13, 2012 23:09:47 GMT -5
How 'bout Uncle Kracker? Didn't he spend like a year at #1 on the AC chart with Dobie Gray's song? It was 21 weeks on AT20 (AC). Los Lonely Boys broke that record in 2005 with 22 weeks for "Heaven," then Natasha Bedingfield in 2007 with 27 weeks for "Unwritten." |
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Post by pointpark04 on Dec 13, 2012 23:16:46 GMT -5
"Country" music is a misnomer in this day-and-age. It's a joke. I mean, Taylor Swift is still considered to be country? How? In what universe?
I listened to country when I was a kid. I know what "country" is. That was the 1970s. That's how long it's been since country was country.
It's a joke. It's all really become about trucks and drinkin' beer and being a redneck. Kid Rock would fit in well with that crowd.
Hey, I know rap isn't much better, but I can stomach some rap a hell of a lot more than I can stomach any of today's so-called "country" music. There's at least a modicum of honesty and realness in rap. You will come up empty if you try to find that in country.
And don't point to The Band Perry, because there is always an exception that proves the rule.
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Post by marv101 on Dec 14, 2012 1:07:35 GMT -5
Where country songs wind up peaking on the Hot 100 is irrelevant as it relates to listenership levels.
I certainly agree that what passes for country music today isn't close to what it was three decades ago when Kenny Rogers, Dolly Parton and the late Eddie Rabbitt all hit #1 in the early eighties.
However, country stations have been or are are currently #1 as well as longtime top-5 ranked in most of the top 25 markets in the nation, including Baltimore, Houston, Boston, Charlotte, Chicago, Tampa, Cincinnati, Austin, Seattle, Cleveland, Phoenix, Columbus, Minneapolis, St. Louis, Dallas & others.
No format benefited more from the implosion of top 40 radio in the early nineties than country has, and that's still the case today, what with Smooth Jazz stations evolving into Smooth AC stations, and CHR/Rhythmic stations really heading downward, starting with Chicago's B-96 flipping to top 40 earlier this year, a devastating event for that format.
Country and top 40 are going gangbusters with teen listeners as well.
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Post by jebsib on Dec 14, 2012 10:46:20 GMT -5
But where country songs peak on the Hot 100 AIRPLAY chart IS relevant to listenership levels, and no country song (without pop station aid) has ever landed in the top 10 most listened-to songs on American Radio as measured by Nielsen BDS in the last 15 years. Thus, again, how is Country the most listened-to format?
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Post by lasvegaskid on Jul 17, 2013 12:41:50 GMT -5
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but on this week's 1976 show Casey mentioned Pat Boone's 4+ non stop years on the Hot 100.
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Post by mkarns on Jul 17, 2013 13:13:07 GMT -5
Here is another, Pink Floyd most week's on album chart. This will never be broken since people don't buy albums anymore. And also because of Billboard's rule of removing albums after a certain amount of time (sure, they go to the Top Pop Catalog chart or whatever it's called, but it's not the same). Actually, Billboard doesn't remove albums from the top 200 chart anymore. There is still a Catalog chart tracking albums that have been out for 18 months or more and have fallen below #100, but nowadays if an album sells enough to make the top 200 then it charts there no matter how old it is. "Dark Side of the Moon" still shows up on the top 200 after 40 years. |
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