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Post by marv101 on Dec 1, 2012 21:16:47 GMT -5
^^^^However, that chart is an absolute farce and is being routinely ignored by the vast majority of the labels and artists in Nashville because it is weighted extremely heavily in favor of digital sales as opposed to airplay, in which the song was a megacolossal failure at country radio after a phony and totally concocted launch, and broke many records in both directions, and particularly when it plunged faster than any single in country radio history on the Mediabase charts.
Her songs have the highest 'burn' rate of any country artist out there, and she remains the biggest PITA for country PDs and MDs, as many of them have told Lon Helton in his newsletter.
One chart record which will certainly never be broken would be the 400+ first-week radio adds for 'We Are The World' in 1985, including all 235 reporters on the R&R top 40 panel.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 1, 2012 22:45:50 GMT -5
On Casey's Top 40, Mariah's first 10 singles all went to #1. The only person who's come close in the years since is Lady Gaga. Her first 6 hits all went to #1.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 22:58:08 GMT -5
ELO, Electric Light Orchestra, most Top 40 hits of any group without a #1 single with 20.
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Post by johnnywest on Dec 2, 2012 11:53:12 GMT -5
Elt's most consecutive years making the top 40. That's a solid one no doubt. What was it..26/27 years or so? Madonna came close. She did that in R&R/Mediabase with one Top 40 hit every year from 1983-2006. 24 years. |
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 2, 2012 13:32:27 GMT -5
^^^^However, that chart is an absolute farce and is being routinely ignored by the vast majority of the labels and artists in Nashville because it is weighted extremely heavily in favor of digital sales as opposed to airplay, in which the song was a megacolossal failure at country radio after a phony and totally concocted launch, and broke many records in both directions, and particularly when it plunged faster than any single in country radio history on the Mediabase charts. Her songs have the highest 'burn' rate of any country artist out there, and she remains the biggest PITA for country PDs and MDs, as many of them have told Lon Helton in his newsletter. I presume you're speaking of the Hot Country Singles chart and Taylor Swift, right? Brian |
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Post by mga707 on Dec 2, 2012 14:15:09 GMT -5
I presume you're speaking of the Hot Country Singles chart and Taylor Swift, right? Brian AKA "She who could not find the right key if it was on her keychain". ;D As I've often said, if Swiftie looked like Susan Boyle, no way would she have a music career. Young and cute gets one far, unfortunately... |
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Post by dmvden on Dec 2, 2012 20:15:21 GMT -5
How about this: a year where two acts each had three songs peak at #2? The year was 1969. The acts were Creedence Clearwater Revival (Proud Mary, Bad Moon Rising, Green River) and Blood Sweat & Tears (You've Made Me So Very Happy, Spinning Wheel, And When I Die).
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Post by mga707 on Dec 2, 2012 20:24:22 GMT -5
How about this: a year where two acts each had three songs peak at #2? The year was 1969. The acts were Creedence Clearwater Revival (Proud Mary, Bad Moon Rising, Green River) and Blood Sweat & Tears (You've Made Me So Very Happy, Spinning Wheel, And When I Die). Good one! And neither would ever hit #1, although CCR would reach #2 twice more in 1970. BS&T would not reach the top 10 again. |
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 2, 2012 21:09:07 GMT -5
AKA "She who could not find the right key if it was on her keychain". ;D As I've often said, if Swiftie looked like Susan Boyle, no way would she have a music career. Young and cute gets one far, unfortunately... I take it you're no Taylor Swift fan ... ... and that she's a phony who, well, used her influence to get her to the top. Brian |
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 3, 2012 7:43:19 GMT -5
The fact this is #1 with zilch airplay makes country radio more and more irrelevent. So what we're also saying is that actual airplay should account for at least something when it comes to a record's popularity, whether at top 40 or country or an R&B station. The question is, how much SHOULD airplay (vs. sales, be it actual CD single or digital download) factor into where a song places on the chart? Brian |
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 3, 2012 12:59:58 GMT -5
Absolutely. As Billboard has struggled with during the years, what is the correct percentage. 50-50? 70-30? And now how much should these other outlets, like streaming, factor in? It is a tough question and I don't know if any answer will make everyone completely happy. Until Billboard's new charts were rolled out, I believe that airplay was THE ONLY FACTOR the magazine considered in compiling its Hot Country Singles chart. (Can't speak for the R&B/Hip Hop Singles Chart.) There has been separate sales charts for country, but I don't think that ever carried much if any weight on the "official" chart. But had sales mattered, Johnny Cash's " Hurt" from 2003 would likely have obliterated any standing records on the country chart, based on sales alone. This was also a song that had limited airplay, including almost none in the days after the Man in Black's death, but sold phenomenally well and outperformed everything, including the Alan Jackson-Jimmy Buffett duet " It's Five O'Clock Somewhere" and Lonestar's " My Front Porch Looking In" (the two No. 1 songs of the year, depending on which source – American Country Countdown or the "official" Billboard year-end chart, you consider official). So would we dare call Johnny Cash a phony ... Compared to a sweet, loveable girl who is IMO exceptionally talented? (And yes, I am a Johnny Cash fan, as you probably can guess.) |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Dec 3, 2012 13:10:56 GMT -5
I thought the Billboard Country chart was a sales/airplay blend until sometime in the late 80s/early 90s when it went to airplay only to reflect the declining phyiscal single sales in general in the US?
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 3, 2012 14:32:48 GMT -5
I thought the Billboard Country chart was a sales/airplay blend until sometime in the late 80s/early 90s when it went to airplay only to reflect the declining phyiscal single sales in general in the US? I believe so, too. And now, with downloads in the picture, it appears to be once again. Now that said, obviously Taylor Swift has done her homework. I'll repeat the question – yes or no, is Taylor Swift a talentless phony who lied her way to the top and is an interloper in pure country music? If that's the case, I'd nominate Jason Aldean for that spot instead. So, yes or no? Brian |
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Post by jebsib on Dec 3, 2012 18:49:07 GMT -5
The fans don't like the new Country chart; Apparently the industry (labels) asked for it. There is still a Country airplay chart to measure what radio plays.
Just like when the Hot 100 went from playlists to Monitored airplay or from simply Top 40 info to all-formats, its a big sea-change that takes some getting used to, but it now represents what country artists the USA is listening to, as opposed to strictly what country radio stations are playing.
I wonder how many weeks Taylor Swift will get?!??
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Post by jlthorpe on Dec 4, 2012 9:01:34 GMT -5
To get this back on-topic, one record I think will never be broken is when three separate artists had Top 40 hits in 1991 that had the same titles as Top 40 hits by Asia ("Don't Cry", "Heat Of The Moment", and "Only Time Will Tell").
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