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Post by dukelightning on Oct 18, 2024 15:48:34 GMT -5
That's another prophetic situation in the show. So "Someday We'll be Together" is played followed by "Heaven is a Place on Earth". What is essentially the first solo #1 by the lead singer of a prolific female group is followed by what will become the first solo #1 by the lead singer of another prolific female group.
A couple heavy metal bands released albums in the summer of 1987. Neither first single got anywhere near the top 40. But Whitesnake and Def Leppard would both get a #1 hit and a #2 hit from those albums. They catered to AOR stations with those first singles. That's the AOR friendly version of "Here I go again" played on the show this week.
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Post by shadster on Oct 19, 2024 8:10:55 GMT -5
A couple heavy metal bands released albums in the summer of 1987. Neither first single got anywhere near the top 40. But Whitesnake and Def Leppard would both get a #1 hit and a #2 hit from those albums. They catered to AOR stations with those first singles. That's the AOR friendly version of "Here I go again" played on the show this week. You mean the album version of Here I go again?? Aka where it starts off slow? Im confident the radio edit version was used on the 10/10 show, but cant say for the 10/17 show. Whats commonly referred to as the "radio edit" is the uptempo version, which is usually what we hear on the countdowns (I know Rick Dees has used the album version from time to time, iirc it was the version played on the year end of '87 on his show). Since the original version, aka album version, was released years earlier, and went nowhere, with the '87 re-release they decided on a re-edit of the song, an thus we have the "radio edit" which is the version I actually prefer an which most stations spun back in the day. Today its actually rare to hear stations play the radio edit version outside of a countdown show. I assume this be the case since stations back in the day were sent the radio edit to play on the air, an today its harder to find a copy of that. |
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Post by mkarns on Oct 19, 2024 10:12:04 GMT -5
"Here I Go Again" was originally released in 1982 in a different recording. In 1987 it was redone with some changes in lyrics (the original chorus said "Like a hobo I was born to walk alone"; "Hobo", which some misheard as "homo", was changed to "drifter".) The single version with more synths/keyboards was preferred by top 40 and related countdown shows, while the album version was featured at rock radio. The 1987 album version now gets most of the recurrent play.
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Post by listenerwants2know on Oct 19, 2024 10:44:44 GMT -5
"Here I Go Again" was originally released in 1982 in a different recording. In 1987 it was redone with some changes in lyrics (the original chorus said "Like a hobo I was born to walk alone"; "Hobo", which some misheard as "homo", was changed to "drifter".) The single version with more synths/keyboards was preferred by top 40 and related countdown shows, while the album version was featured at rock radio. The 1987 album version now gets most of the recurrent play. Because the record company wanted a hit for the US market, one of their own songs was produced in a more radio-friendly way. And a line from the ´82 version - "Like a hobo, I was born to walk alone" - was changed: "hobo" became ´drifter´. Coverdale had actually meant "drifter" the first time, but because this is a term that is often used, he discovered "hobo" with the help of a dictionary of synonyms. And was still not satisfied afterwards. The main success factor, however, was the video in which model Tawny Kitaen, Coverdale´s future wife, who appeared in several of the band´s videos, dances around on two sports cars and lets herself hang out of the moving car. Paula Abdul was brought to the set for the choreography, but Kitaen didn´t need her. And allegedly Claudia Schiffer, who was still at the beginning of her career, was supposed to appear in the video, but she was already too expensive at the time. |
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Post by johnnywest on Oct 19, 2024 14:44:04 GMT -5
11/8/86 and 11/21/87 were both last played in 2020. Your schedule has an awful long gap in 1983 standalones: none from August until the last (regular) weekend of the year. 12/24/83 was last played in 2018, but they could air something from that year in November and then play that as well. I was thinking that 1987 might be the best contender for the year end show; it's only been the A once (2012), and the long gaps between shows from that year in 2024 (January, April, June, and now mid-October) might point toward that. Of course they might not, especially if we get regular 1987 countdowns in November and/or December. HERE'S A REVAMPED PREDICTION NOVEMBER-DECEMBER AT40: THE 80'S STANDALONES WITH CHRISTMAS B SHOWS SCHEDULE BY ME WITH A FEW CHANGES THANKS TO LISTENERWANTS2KNOW'S IDEA: November 2-3, 2024: November 3, 1984 (last played in 2018) November 10-11, 2024: November 12, 1983 (last played in 2019) November 17-18, 2024: November 22, 1980 (last played in 2016) November 24-25, 2024: November 27, 1982 (last played in 2014) November 30-December 1, 2024: November 30, 1985 (last played in 2017) December 7-8, 2024: December 6, 1986 (last played in 2019) December 14-15, 2024: December 19, 1981 (last played in 2016) December 21-22, 2024: December 24, 1983 (last played in 2018) AND FOR THE YEAR ENDER for the last weekend of December 2024 and the first weekend of January 2025: The Top 100 of 1987 - It will have at least 1 Debbie Gibson song in it after Premiere avoided shows with "Only In My Dreams" in it this year in 2024. You did pretty good with your predictions last year, so you might do the same this year. To be fair though, Premiere did play 9/19/87 as a B show a few weeks ago which did include "Only In My Dreams" at #13. |
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Post by kani on Oct 20, 2024 9:17:28 GMT -5
Few 1987 notes:
Fat Boys enjoyed snacks like Doritos, breakfast like ham and eggs and toast
soft jingle: in my dreams, poison i wont forget you, carrie, didnt we almost have it all
interesting legacy: Nat King Cole snippet: Mona Lisa, later daughter charted songs though
#1 of 1988:George Michael - Faith
first LDD is sad.. which is about suicide, although she had struggled using drugs, later turned life around, from Christine
Supremes extra: Someday We'll Be Together, is farewell for song of 60s, last time Diana Ross, before going solo in 1970
13 foreign acts
KOKZ somehow skipped first opt xtra.., I listened WPNC to air first opt xtra
On tunegenie temporarily didn't work, so I used open browser for WNSN
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Post by mkarns on Oct 20, 2024 15:32:11 GMT -5
Few 1987 notes: Fat Boys enjoyed snacks like Doritos, breakfast like ham and eggs and toast soft jingle: in my dreams, poison i wont forget you, carrie, didnt we almost have it all interesting legacy: Nat King Cole snippet: Mona Lisa, later daughter charted songs though #1 of 1988:George Michael - Faith first LDD is sad.. which is about suicide, although she had struggled using drugs, later turned life around, from Christine Supremes extra: Someday We'll Be Together, is farewell for song of 60s, last time Diana Ross, before going solo in 1970 13 foreign acts KOKZ somehow skipped first opt xtra.., I listened WPNC to air first opt xtra Casey led into "La Bamba" by listing rock era #1's sung in foreign languages, which included Volare, Sukiyaki, and Dominique. 30 years later there was another AT40 #1 sung (mostly) in Spanish, that being "Despacito" by Luis Fonsi, Daddy Yankee, and....Justin Bieber. (That's two Puerto Rican singers and a Canadian Anglo whose messing up of the Spanish lyrics once went viral.) |
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Post by mrjukebox on Oct 20, 2024 16:38:53 GMT -5
mkarns-You forgot to mention "Macarena" by Los Del Rio-For the most part,it was sung in Spanish although you heard a female voice speaking English-In any event,it spent 14 weeks at # 1 in 1996-You mentioned "Despacito" which actually spent more weeks at # 1 in 2017:16 weeks to be exact.
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 20, 2024 16:41:40 GMT -5
Just wanted to let you all know that Scott Lakefield has graciously allowed me to join your discussion, as the circumstances come up.
As most of you know from Pete Battistini's forwarding of my comments in the past, I am a radio programming consultant whose primary format is The Eighties Channel™ (Classic Hits). I also directly program that format on KRKE Albuquerque, which carries AT40: The 80s from 8am to noon and 8pm to midnight (MT) on Sundays. I actually am a "virtual" Program Director as I am based in Los Angeles but have complete remote access to the station automation.
Within the contractual limitations by Premiere, I will be happy to answer any and all questions about the program from my own experience of running it on KRKE for the past year.
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 20, 2024 17:21:38 GMT -5
KOLA has this coming weekend’s show posted, but not next week’s. And after last week I’m not sure if we’ll still get shows revealed nearly two weeks in advance from them anymore. Next weekend we do get 10/17/87, the first 1987 standalone in four months. Not a single song on this show was on the last 1987 A, though both end with one-week #1s from the same act (Lisa Lisa and Cult Jam with Full Force.) Of course, this could also be an order from Premiere not to announce the chosen show too early.
There's no specific "order" contractually, although affiliates do have the list in advance of which week's shows will be featured (as well as the "B" show for weeks that will feature 1980, 1981, or 1982 for stations that prefer not to run shows from those years). There is a stipulation at the top of that list that it is provided for "programming purposes only" and an admonition against posting it to "social media".
Within the confines of that, I think most stations would see limited value in announcing the specific show more than two weeks in advance. Realistically -- and you all know this or you wouldn't be here -- the core audience for the show will tune in regularly, regardless of what week is being aired.
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 20, 2024 17:36:11 GMT -5
Don't even expect if Premiere ever launches "American Top 40: The Shadoe Stevens Years" that might feature for an occassional holiday weekend bonus show the Shadoe AT40 episode with Debbie Gibson guest hosting for Shadoe on AT40 6/25/1989. As I understand it from knowledgeable sources, Casey came back to Premiere three years after ABC Watermark stopped producing AT40 shows with Shadoe in January 1995. The fact that there was a production gap was what allowed him to reassume ownership of the trademark as abandoned, and also assert ownership of the shows he had hosted between 1970 and 1988. That did not include the Shadoe-hosted programs (no one seems to know for certain who owns those now) and the shows Casey hosted for Westwood One in those intervening years are still owned by them.
Casey subsequently sold the rights to the old Watermark shows that he owned to Premiere, and that is how we are able to hear them today.
But ... that's why there will never be "American Top 40: The Shadoe Stevens Years" or any shows from that era, even as a bonus program. It simply is not possible legally.
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Post by mkarns on Oct 20, 2024 17:42:57 GMT -5
mkarns-You forgot to mention "Macarena" by Los Del Rio-For the most part,it was sung in Spanish although you heard a female voice speaking English-In any event,it spent 14 weeks at # 1 in 1996-You mentioned "Despacito" which actually spent more weeks at # 1 in 2017:16 weeks to be exact. I was thinking of what was counted down on AT40 or similar countdowns (including CT40), not the Billboard Hot 100, but yes, there was that too. Using the Hot 100, I’d give an honorable mention to “Gangnam Style” by Psy, a #2 hit sung mostly in Korean. (It peaked somewhere around #10 on AT40.) |
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Post by dukelightning on Oct 20, 2024 18:24:52 GMT -5
Don't even expect if Premiere ever launches "American Top 40: The Shadoe Stevens Years" that might feature for an occassional holiday weekend bonus show the Shadoe AT40 episode with Debbie Gibson guest hosting for Shadoe on AT40 6/25/1989. As I understand it from knowledgeable sources, Casey came back to Premiere three years after ABC Watermark stopped producing AT40 shows with Shadoe in January 1995. The fact that there was a production gap was what allowed him to reassume ownership of the trademark as abandoned, and also assert ownership of the shows he had hosted between 1970 and 1988. That did not include the Shadoe-hosted programs (no one seems to know for certain who owns those now) and the shows Casey hosted for Westwood One in those intervening years are still owned by them. Casey subsequently sold the rights to the old Watermark shows that he owned to Premiere, and that is how we are able to hear them today.
But ... that's why there will never be "American Top 40: The Shadoe Stevens Years" or any shows from that era, even as a bonus program. It simply is not possible legally.
Most of the bases were covered in this post, except one. What about the AT40 2.0 shows? Obviously they are available since some have been played during holiday weekends. Is the reason they are not aired on a weekly basis have something to do with that period of time not being as popular as the 80s? Also what about the Ryan Seacrest shows. I assume they are available to air with no legal issues. Is popularity the issue there as well? Seacrest is certainly well known enough. |
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Post by burcjm on Oct 20, 2024 18:28:17 GMT -5
I predict 11/6/82 for the weekend of November 2.
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Post by K.M. Richards on Oct 20, 2024 18:41:23 GMT -5
What about the AT40 2.0 shows? Obviously they are available since some have been played during holiday weekends. Is the reason they are not aired on a weekly basis have something to do with that period of time not being as popular as the 80s? Also what about the Ryan Seacrest shows. I assume they are available to air with no legal issues. Is popularity the issue there as well? I can't answer for Premiere definitively, but when Casey came back and sold the old shows and the AT40 name to Premiere, it's obvious (to me, anyway) that the agreement included the right to syndicate any AT40s that he hosted in the future. Hence the occasional shows from 1998 until his retirement in 2009 turning up as "bonus" shows.
So my best guess is that your presumption is correct, Duke. It's only been in recent years that Classic Hits stations have ventured into adding 90s titles, and many of those that have done so have been cautious about which ones have universal appeal. This is actually a dilemma for programmers; since CHR (top-40) splintered into sub-genres starting in the late 1980s, whether or not a specific song is still playable is dependent on which "flavor" of CHR the audience listened to when those were currents. For example, those CHRs that went more Urban in the 90s nurtured an audience that would find the more Pop titles from the decade not to their liking. (And vice versa!)
So, since AT40 was essentially trying to cover all the bases, the chart by necessity covering all subgenres, it's questionable as to whether or not those shows are ever going to attract enough affiliates for Premiere to even attempt to syndicate them.
I would imagine that whatever agreement Seacrest signed to host AT40 after Casey's retirement included a clause allowing for the syndication of any shows he hosted to be similarly offered. The only question, again, is whether there's a market for it among the stations.
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