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Post by doofus67 on Jul 29, 2023 1:44:29 GMT -5
"Sweet Home Alabama":
| BB | CB | RW | R&R | | Sept 21, 1974 | 14 | 17 | 16 | 11 | | Sept 28 | 10 | 15 | 13 | 8 | | Oct 5 | 9 | 10 | 10 | 5 | | Oct 12 | 19 | 8 | 8^ | 4^ | | Oct 19 | 15 | 7^ | 8^ | 8 | | Oct 26 | 8^ | 9 | 12 | 9 | | Nov 2 | 8^ | 23 | 36 | 12 | | Nov 9 | 44 | 39 | 38 | 22 |
"You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet":
| BB | CB | RW | R&R | | Oct 12, 1974 | 22 | 19 | 28 | 15 | | Oct 19 | 17 | 13 | 21 | 4 | | Oct 26 | 3 | 7 | 8 | 2 | | Nov 2 | 2 | 4 | 1^ | 1^ | | Nov 9 | 1^ | 3 | 2 | 1^ | | Nov 16 | 12 | 2 | 4 | 1^ | | Nov 23 | 34 | 1^ | 6 | 2 | | Nov 30 | 8 | 8 | 13 | 4 | | Dec 7 | 8 | 14 | 18 | 7 | | Dec 14 | 12 | 34 | 22 | 16 |
"Philadelphia Freedom":
| BB | CB | RW | R&R | | Mar 15, 1975 | 35 | 35 | 15 | 28 | | Mar 22 | 11 | 17 | 11 | 7 | | Mar 29 | 3 | 9 | 7 | 4 | | April 5 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 3 | | April 12 | 1^ | 1^ | 1^ | 1^ | | April 19 | 1^ | 1^ | 1^ | 1^ | | April 26 | 2 | 2 | 1^ | 1^ | | May 3 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 1^ | | May 10 | 7 | 3 | 6 | 1^ | | May 17 | 11 | 8 | 15 | 2 | | May 24 | 15 | 16 | 24 | 1^ | | May 31 | 12 | 38 | 29 | 5 | | June 7 | 10 | 64 | 32 | 15 | | June 14 | 9 | 67 | 36 | 15 | | June 21 | 18 | 64 | 46 | 19 |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Nov 18, 2023 9:57:46 GMT -5
Ain't Nobody can deny this week in 1982 was full of extremes. Rufus and Chaka became the ultimate example of debuting high, not doing anything with Casey announcing them coming in at #29 only to peak at #22. There were the usual big 1982 droppers; Rush 54-21, running outta Juice 62-24. 'Mac 65-27 and Who 71-28.
But what made this chart different was all the high jumers straight into the top 20, Sexual Healing 19-52(!), Paul & MJ 14-34, Dirty chart 13-32 and Stray Cats 12-30.
Could this have been the straw that broke the Billboard's back with Bill Wardlaw?
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Post by torcan on Nov 18, 2023 12:51:05 GMT -5
Wardlow left Billboard in April 1983, so several more months of these kind of charts were still in the offing. He either resigned, or was fired depending on which story you believe. Looking back, I can't believe how long he was able to stay on. The managers of the magazine must have noticed what a mess the charts were becoming under his watch. I'd love to know more details about this, but I don't think there's any out there, plus, it's been so long ago now that memories are probably hazy.
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Post by 80sat40fan on Nov 18, 2023 13:23:29 GMT -5
Ain't Nobody can deny this week in 1982 was full of extremes. Rufus and Chaka became the ultimate example of debuting high, not doing anything with Casey announcing them coming in at #29 only to peak at #22. There were the usual big 1982 droppers; Rush 54-21, running outta Juice 62-24. 'Mac 65-27 and Who 71-28. But what made this chart different was all the high jumers straight into the top 20, Sexual Healing 19-52(!), Paul & MJ 14-34, Dirty chart 13-32 and Stray Cats 12-30. Could this have been the straw that broke the Billboard's back with Bill Wardlaw? I'm a little confused here. You refer to "Ain't Nobody" by Rufus as being an example of an extreme chart movement from 1982... but Rufus & Chaka Khan debuted with their hit in November of 1983 after Bill Wardlaw had departed from Billboard. Help?!?! |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Nov 18, 2023 16:49:22 GMT -5
Ain't Nobody can deny this week in 1982 was full of extremes. Rufus and Chaka became the ultimate example of debuting high, not doing anything with Casey announcing them coming in at #29 only to peak at #22. There were the usual big 1982 droppers; Rush 54-21, running outta Juice 62-24. 'Mac 65-27 and Who 71-28. But what made this chart different was all the high jumers straight into the top 20, Sexual Healing 19-52(!), Paul & MJ 14-34, Dirty chart 13-32 and Stray Cats 12-30. Could this have been the straw that broke the Billboard's back with Bill Wardlaw? I'm a little confused here. You refer to "Ain't Nobody" by Rufus as being an example of an extreme chart movement from 1982... but Rufus & Chaka Khan debuted with their hit in November of 1983 after Bill Wardlaw had departed from Billboard. Help?!?! OMG!! Call it a LVK fu** up, or more specifically listening to one show while looking at the chart of another, crap!! |
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Nov 18, 2023 20:11:00 GMT -5
😂 Well, it's about time...
Anyway, for almost 10 years, Bill laid down the WardLAW with Billboard. Then, in April 1983, times got rough, he became WardLOW.
But, seriously...it's always been Wardlow.
One of my favorite shows in the 80s is 4/30/1983, and I know I've said it on here before...it's the "unclogging of the arteries" show. Only one song in the entire 40 held their previous position, much unlike the many months and years prior. And it happened to be...lucky #13.
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Post by dth1971 on Dec 9, 2023 9:12:24 GMT -5
Imagine this: If Shadoe Stevens AT40 still kept the Billboard Hot 100 chart source for the rest of 1991, would Shadoe have played at #40 "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana which was entering that Hot 100 chart in that position in the second week of the revamped Hot 100 chart (December 7, 1991)?
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Post by lasvegaskid on Dec 9, 2023 10:54:59 GMT -5
I always thought it was weird on 12/3/83 when the Stoners made a massive move of 15-33 only to quickly flatten out and peak a few weeks later at #9.
That was the kinda 'Undercover chart action that was the norm 12 months prior.
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Post by laura on Dec 9, 2023 11:57:54 GMT -5
Imagine this: If Shadoe Stevens AT40 still kept the Billboard Hot 100 chart source for the rest of 1991, would Shadoe have played at #40 "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana which was entering that Hot 100 chart in that position in the second week of the revamped Hot 100 chart (December 7, 1991)? What does this have to do with the topic at hand? |
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 9, 2023 14:11:05 GMT -5
No manipulation here. Just fan excitement. Other Stones 45s that got a boost in sales prior to their album releases:
--"Tumbling Dice" debuted on the Hot 100 at #50, zoomed to #23, then to #11, but peaked two weeks later at #7.
--"Heartbreaker" jumped onto the top 40 at #22, but peaked three weeks later at #15.
--"It's Only Rock 'n Roll" was #17 in week 6 (including a #79 to #34 move), then peaked at #16 in week 8.
--"Ain't Too Proud to Beg" got to #17 in week 6 as well, but stalled there and was off the chart entirely after 10 weeks.
--"Fool to Cry" leaped #46 to #20 to #13, but peaked three weeks later at #10.
--"Going to a Go-Go" stormed onto the top 40 at #30, climbed to #27, got stuck at #25 for three weeks, then dropped off the countdown.
--"Harlem Shuffle" was in the top ten in week 5 on the Hot 100, then peaked at #5 in week 8.
--"Mick's Emotions" (as Keith called it) was #6 by week 6 on the Hot 100, then peaked at #5 the following week.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Dec 9, 2023 14:12:36 GMT -5
Imagine this: If Shadoe Stevens AT40 still kept the Billboard Hot 100 chart source for the rest of 1991, would Shadoe have played at #40 "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana which was entering that Hot 100 chart in that position in the second week of the revamped Hot 100 chart (December 7, 1991)? What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Smells like, absolutely nothing. 🙂😂 |
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Post by lasvegaskid on Dec 9, 2023 16:42:56 GMT -5
No manipulation here. Just fan excitement. Other Stones 45s that got a boost in sales prior to their album releases: --"Tumbling Dice" debuted on the Hot 100 at #50, zoomed to #23, then to #11, but peaked two weeks later at #7. --"Heartbreaker" jumped onto the top 40 at #22, but peaked three weeks later at #15. --"It's Only Rock 'n Roll" was #17 in week 6 (including a #79 to #34 move), then peaked at #16 in week 8. --"Ain't Too Proud to Beg" got to #17 in week 6 as well, but stalled there and was off the chart entirely after 10 weeks. --"Fool to Cry" leaped #46 to #20 to #13, but peaked three weeks later at #10. --"Going to a Go-Go" stormed onto the top 40 at #30, climbed to #27, got stuck at #25 for three weeks, then dropped off the countdown. --"Harlem Shuffle" was in the top ten in week 5 on the Hot 100, then peaked at #5 in week 8. --"Mick's Emotions" (as Keith called it) was #6 by week 6 on the Hot 100, then peaked at #5 the following week. Not really sure if I buy into this. I can't speak to the earlier songs but by 1986 Billboard was breaking out sales and airplay and you can track movement. For both Harlem Shuffle and "Mick's Emotions" sales and airplay both grew at a pretty linear rate. The week Shuffle peaked sales was 5-6 and airplay 7-7. "Mick's Emotions" sales 4-5 and airplay 11-12. Definitely nothing like the late 90s when you might have a Garth Brooks, errr, Chris Gaines where fans pounced on a pre album single for a tune not even top 75 in airplay. |
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Post by vince on Dec 9, 2023 18:19:23 GMT -5
No manipulation here. Just fan excitement. Other Stones 45s that got a boost in sales prior to their album releases: --"Tumbling Dice" debuted on the Hot 100 at #50, zoomed to #23, then to #11, but peaked two weeks later at #7. --"Heartbreaker" jumped onto the top 40 at #22, but peaked three weeks later at #15. --"It's Only Rock 'n Roll" was #17 in week 6 (including a #79 to #34 move), then peaked at #16 in week 8. --"Ain't Too Proud to Beg" got to #17 in week 6 as well, but stalled there and was off the chart entirely after 10 weeks. --"Fool to Cry" leaped #46 to #20 to #13, but peaked three weeks later at #10. --"Going to a Go-Go" stormed onto the top 40 at #30, climbed to #27, got stuck at #25 for three weeks, then dropped off the countdown. --"Harlem Shuffle" was in the top ten in week 5 on the Hot 100, then peaked at #5 in week 8. --"Mick's Emotions" (as Keith called it) was #6 by week 6 on the Hot 100, then peaked at #5 the following week. Not really sure if I buy into this. I can't speak to the earlier songs but by 1986 Billboard was breaking out sales and airplay and you can track movement. For both Harlem Shuffle and "Mick's Emotions" sales and airplay both grew at a pretty linear rate. The week Shuffle peaked sales was 5-6 and airplay 7-7. "Mick's Emotions" sales 4-5 and airplay 11-12. Definitely nothing like the late 90s when you might have a Garth Brooks, errr, Chris Gaines where fans pounced on a pre album single for a tune not even top 75 in airplay. The top half of the Hot 100 in 1972 was based on sales reports. For "Tumblin' Dice", I would think yes. Radio airplay was factored in on the other singles. Stations adding the Stones probably contributed. |
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 9, 2023 19:07:37 GMT -5
Back to my first statement: No manipulation.
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Post by doofus67 on Dec 9, 2023 19:52:55 GMT -5
Wardlow left Billboard in April 1983, so several more months of these kind of charts were still in the offing. He either resigned, or was fired depending on which story you believe. Looking back, I can't believe how long he was able to stay on. The managers of the magazine must have noticed what a mess the charts were becoming under his watch. I'd love to know more details about this, but I don't think there's any out there, plus, it's been so long ago now that memories are probably hazy. By late spring of 1982, Bogus Bill started to be over-generous with the "superstars." Even some songs in the middle of the Hot 100 would get a white star despite minimal movement, such as 56 to 52, or 62 to 57. Some songs would debut on the countdown at, let's say, 39 or 38, move up two spots the following week and still be superstarred. It's hard to know whether the star system was management's main issue with Wardlow, but it must have seemed unnecessary to implement it in the first place. |
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