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Post by mga707 on Jan 3, 2023 22:20:10 GMT -5
Did Billboard do its own 1970s decade-end chart? BB did not do an end of the decade ranking at the end of the 1970s. A number of years later possibly to coincide with the 60th anniversary of the Hot 100 they did do decade rankings. That would have been 2018. |
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 3, 2023 22:21:10 GMT -5
Hey, vince - have you thought about re-tabulating the decade-end countdown for the 1970s? (And maybe the 1980s also, since AT40 didn't do one, although CT40 did a top 40?) Given what's come to light with that, along with individual year-end shows (1975, anyone?), maybe we could see the decade-end rankings as they should have been (or more realistic). When I first heard the 1970s decade-end show for the first time about 8-9 years ago, I thought the rankings were pretty good. But after seeing all the charts and listening to the shows, some things seem a bit off. Dartboard theory seems spot on. 😂 |
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Post by michaelcasselman on Jan 4, 2023 9:21:04 GMT -5
How accurate do we hold the 7/4/1987 AT40 Top 40 Hits of the 80's So Far countdown? Were song ranking weighted in any way to favor early of later hits from the decade, and what few late-1987-to-1989 would have possible snuck onto the rankings? Could songs like George Michael's "Faith", INXS' "Need You Tonight", Paula Abdul's "Straight Up" or Chicago's "Look Away" nudged their way onto that survey if it had been done two and a half years later?
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Post by vince on Jan 4, 2023 21:52:32 GMT -5
How accurate do we hold the 7/4/1987 AT40 Top 40 Hits of the 80's So Far countdown? Were song ranking weighted in any way to favor early of later hits from the decade, and what few late-1987-to-1989 would have possible snuck onto the rankings? Could songs like George Michael's "Faith", INXS' "Need You Tonight", Paula Abdul's "Straight Up" or Chicago's "Look Away" nudged their way onto that survey if it had been done two and a half years later? I believe "The Top 40 of the 80s So Far" reasonably accurate unlike "The Top 50 Songs of the 70s". In 1982 AT40 went to a standardardized methodology for ranking year end and other special countdowns. I have posted decade end countdowns for the 80s using this methodology which came close. There were some songs on the list from the late 80s that came out after the summer of '87. I will bump them up if I can find them. |
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Post by vince on Jan 4, 2023 22:10:29 GMT -5
Hey, vince - have you thought about re-tabulating the decade-end countdown for the 1970s? (And maybe the 1980s also, since AT40 didn't do one, although CT40 did a top 40?) Given what's come to light with that, along with individual year-end shows (1975, anyone?), maybe we could see the decade-end rankings as they should have been (or more realistic). When I first heard the 1970s decade-end show for the first time about 8-9 years ago, I thought the rankings were pretty good. But after seeing all the charts and listening to the shows, some things seem a bit off. Dartboard theory seems spot on. 😂 I have posted retabulated versions of the end of the decade countdowns for both the 1970s & 1980s. I will look for them and bump up. DJJoe1960 has recorded shows using some of my decade end countdowns for the 60s, 70s & 80s. I don't know if he released then to the public. While this would be a lot of work for Ken Martin, I would like to hear remade decade end shows using AT40's 1982 methodology. As long as it was clear that it was not the original show, but a re-tabulated one. There may be legal issues getting the sound bites from CT40 for the late 80s. I did listen to AT40's Top 50 of the 70s back in 1980 when it originally aired. At that time, I did not know much about how the ranking were done for year-end or decade end countdown, but it still seemed like something was not right with the rankings on the Top 50 Songs of the 70s. |
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Post by mfr on Jan 8, 2023 14:43:18 GMT -5
One thing that puzzles me to this day; the 1977 year ender had 'Everything at #1, Emotions #3. Yet the decade ender Best of My Love ranked #20 and Andy Gibb was way down at #40. That is simply because that decade ender was a joke. Even with artificial weighting to fairly rank songs from the early half of the 1970s, when the charts moved very quickly, with songs from the latter half, when songs tended to stick around for longer, no way would Andy Gibb have ranked so low, and certainly not so far below "Best Of My Love". I have no idea how they figured that countdown. A dartboard would be the only logical explanation. This might have been due to the number 1 bonus points that were awarded in various ways over the years, since The Emotions had 5 weeks at number 1 in total and Andy Gibb only 4 in total. In 1977 itself Billboard awarded fewer bonus points at number 1 than in most other years around that time. |
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 8, 2023 20:22:59 GMT -5
If AT40 did the year end of 1986 with it's own rankings instead of Billboard's, would the #3 song of 1986 of "I Miss You" by Klymaxx been ranked lower like maybe in the lower top 20?
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Post by vince on Jan 9, 2023 1:56:37 GMT -5
If AT40 did the year end of 1986 with it's own rankings instead of Billboard's, would the #3 song of 1986 of "I Miss You" by Klymaxx been ranked lower like maybe in the lower top 20? Using AT40's 1982 methodology and a December '85 to December '86 survey period, "I Miss You" comes in at #7. |
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Post by vince on Jan 9, 2023 2:16:36 GMT -5
That is simply because that decade ender was a joke. Even with artificial weighting to fairly rank songs from the early half of the 1970s, when the charts moved very quickly, with songs from the latter half, when songs tended to stick around for longer, no way would Andy Gibb have ranked so low, and certainly not so far below "Best Of My Love". I have no idea how they figured that countdown. A dartboard would be the only logical explanation. This might have been due to the number 1 bonus points that were awarded in various ways over the years, since The Emotions had 5 weeks at number 1 in total and Andy Gibb only 4 in total. In 1977 itself Billboard awarded fewer bonus points at number 1 than in most other years around that time. "I Just Want To Be Your Everything" was in the top 10, top 40 and Hot 100 longer than "Best of My Love". With most methodologies IJTBYE will outrank BOML. It is true that that with enough #1 bonus points BOML could outrank IJWTBYE. But, if AT40 had awarded significant amount of bonus points for the #1 position when they compiled their top 50 of the 70s, then how come "How Deep Is Your Love" with 3 weeks at #1, outranked "Stayin' Alive" with 4 weeks at #1. Both outranked "Shadow Dancing" which was #1 7 weeks. All three songs outranked "Night Fever" which was #1 8 weeks. There was just no mathematical logic to AT40's top 50 of the 70s. |
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 9, 2023 6:56:54 GMT -5
This might have been due to the number 1 bonus points that were awarded in various ways over the years, since The Emotions had 5 weeks at number 1 in total and Andy Gibb only 4 in total. In 1977 itself Billboard awarded fewer bonus points at number 1 than in most other years around that time. "I Just Want To Be Your Everything" was in the top 10, top 40 and Hot 100 longer than "Best of My Love". With most methodologies IJTBYE will outrank BOML. It is true that that with enough #1 bonus points BOML could outrank IJWTBYE. But, if AT40 had awarded significant amount of bonus points for the #1 position when they compiled their top 50 of the 70s, then how come "How Deep Is Your Love" with 3 weeks at #1, outranked "Stayin' Alive" with 4 weeks at #1. Both outranked "Shadow Dancing" which was #1 7 weeks. All three songs outranked "Night Fever" which was #1 8 weeks. There was just no mathematical logic to AT40's top 50 of the 70s. Then why didn't AT40 choose "You Light Up My Life" by Debby Boone as the #1 song of 1977 nor even Billboard choosing "You Light Up My Life" as the #1 song of 1978? |
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 9, 2023 8:01:09 GMT -5
"I Just Want To Be Your Everything" was in the top 10, top 40 and Hot 100 longer than "Best of My Love". With most methodologies IJTBYE will outrank BOML. It is true that that with enough #1 bonus points BOML could outrank IJWTBYE. But, if AT40 had awarded significant amount of bonus points for the #1 position when they compiled their top 50 of the 70s, then how come "How Deep Is Your Love" with 3 weeks at #1, outranked "Stayin' Alive" with 4 weeks at #1. Both outranked "Shadow Dancing" which was #1 7 weeks. All three songs outranked "Night Fever" which was #1 8 weeks. There was just no mathematical logic to AT40's top 50 of the 70s. Then why didn't AT40 choose "You Light Up My Life" by Debby Boone as the #1 song of 1977 nor even Billboard choosing "You Light Up My Life" as the #1 song of 1978? Because neither survey period you mentioned contained all 10 weeks Debby was at #1. The cutoff was right around late October-early November, which meant most of her weeks at #1 fell in 1978's survey period. Some of vince's awesome chart tabulations for year-end and decade-end reflect Debby at #1, which obviously are done well after the original shows were (which obviously had its flaws, which have been well documented on this board). His tabulations are attempts to correct what was, but that's about it - we can't truly correct AT40's or BB's rankings now. What's done is done. |
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Post by doofus67 on Jan 9, 2023 10:15:52 GMT -5
Some of vince's awesome chart tabulations for year-end and decade-end reflect Debby at #1, which obviously are done well after the original shows were (which obviously had its flaws, which have been well documented on this board). His tabulations are attempts to correct what was, but that's about it - we can't truly correct AT40's or BB's rankings now. What's done is done. But we can always make up our own charts. Hey, that's a good idea. |
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Post by chrislc on Jan 9, 2023 11:31:45 GMT -5
This might have been due to the number 1 bonus points that were awarded in various ways over the years, since The Emotions had 5 weeks at number 1 in total and Andy Gibb only 4 in total. In 1977 itself Billboard awarded fewer bonus points at number 1 than in most other years around that time. "I Just Want To Be Your Everything" was in the top 10, top 40 and Hot 100 longer than "Best of My Love". With most methodologies IJTBYE will outrank BOML. It is true that that with enough #1 bonus points BOML could outrank IJWTBYE. But, if AT40 had awarded significant amount of bonus points for the #1 position when they compiled their top 50 of the 70s, then how come "How Deep Is Your Love" with 3 weeks at #1, outranked "Stayin' Alive" with 4 weeks at #1. Both outranked "Shadow Dancing" which was #1 7 weeks. All three songs outranked "Night Fever" which was #1 8 weeks. There was just no mathematical logic to AT40's top 50 of the 70s. Is it possible that the points for the two #1 Best Of My Loves were accidentally combined for the 1970s countdown show? I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's possible, right? And if so, that would be some kind of not-wonderful. |
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 9, 2023 12:46:14 GMT -5
"I Just Want To Be Your Everything" was in the top 10, top 40 and Hot 100 longer than "Best of My Love". With most methodologies IJTBYE will outrank BOML. It is true that that with enough #1 bonus points BOML could outrank IJWTBYE. But, if AT40 had awarded significant amount of bonus points for the #1 position when they compiled their top 50 of the 70s, then how come "How Deep Is Your Love" with 3 weeks at #1, outranked "Stayin' Alive" with 4 weeks at #1. Both outranked "Shadow Dancing" which was #1 7 weeks. All three songs outranked "Night Fever" which was #1 8 weeks. There was just no mathematical logic to AT40's top 50 of the 70s. Is it possible that the points for the two #1 Best Of My Loves were accidentally combined for the 1970s countdown show? I know it sounds ridiculous, but it's possible, right? And if so, that would be some kind of not-wonderful. With as strange as those rankings were, can't rule it out. Nothing sounds ridiculous when it comes to that particular chart. |
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Post by mfr on Jan 9, 2023 17:19:19 GMT -5
I guess AT40 could have made mistakes or changed their methodology. Billboard did both, and one part of the decade might not be a good match for another part, as others have noted.
Billboard often stated that #1s were given bonus points equal to the number of positions in the chart. So 100 points for the Hot 100 #1. It would seem in 1977 it was only 50. What wasn't referenced was that the number of bonus points seem to have increased for each subsequent week at #1, so 100 for the first week, 200 for the second and so on.
In 1977 it appears to have been 50 for the first week and 100 for the second and so on. I think Andy Gibb would still have been above The Emotions despite this. Billboard usually counted returns to #1 as a new first week at #1 rather than a continuation.
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