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Post by bestmusicexpert on Nov 12, 2011 9:42:55 GMT -5
Here's the story. In 1982, Freddie Mercury visited Michael at his home. He recorded 3 songs (State Of Shock, There Must be More To Life Than This and Victory) The first two are readily available in bootleg form on Youtube. Rumor has it that all 3 are being remixed for a possible future Michael Jackson posthumous release. These three songs were originally possibilities for Thriller. I have read that State Of Shock with Freddie was his first thought for a duet, before the Paul McCartney song. But he included the duet with Paul so there was "down" songs on the album. There's only 2 others (Human Nature & The Lady In My Life) as opposed to 5 other "up" songs.
When it came time to record State Of Shock for the Jackson's Victory album, Freddie was on tour with Queen and was unavailable. Michael's second choice for the duet was another flamboyant singer in Mick Jagger. The rest is history.
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Post by easye on Nov 13, 2011 3:49:14 GMT -5
Wonder if sales would have been significantly different if "State of Shock" was included in Thriller. Anyway as far as the song itself goes, it is my opinion that none of the combinations of Jackson/Jaggar, Mercury/Jackson, nor Jagger/Turner was capable of hiding the fact that it was just a bad tune.
Probably the only positive for the song was for inspirational purposes for potential songwriters as the bar was set so low.
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Nov 13, 2011 13:25:26 GMT -5
I agree, the other 2 singles from Victory were far better (Torture & Body)
As for better sales, I dont know. I've heard other songs that I'd have personally included instead of ones actually on the album. (Sub in Carousel a full version if it exists and Got The Hot, check this one out, its quite good, for Baby Be Mine and The Girl Is Mine)
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Post by Jeffster on Feb 21, 2012 0:00:21 GMT -5
So was you Light up My life (A #1) But that one shucks too! Jefferson Airplane/Starship had great songs, that is NOT one of them! I like Starship much better than Jefferson Airplane. Starship made songs with actual melodies and hooks. It was great pop music. Jefferson Airplane made meandering druggie rock. "We Built This City" is still a great song, and one that didn't really sound like anything else at the time, with its double male-female lead vocals, DJ chatter, etc. I have no idea why it gets the hate it does from the music snobs. |
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Post by jcs72 on Feb 28, 2012 13:56:16 GMT -5
I've heard that "WBTC" was a "corporate" song. How is that?
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Feb 28, 2012 23:54:10 GMT -5
We Built This City has once again been voted as the worst song of the 1980s, this time by the readers of Rolling Stone magazine. My vote goes to "Rock Me Amadeus," with "I've Never Been To Me" running a close second. |
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Feb 28, 2012 23:57:48 GMT -5
"State of Shock" never gets any love for this award. Personally, I think it should especially since Michael Jackson and Mick Jagger are on it. Instead, voters typically pick on acts they do not like or those who are one-hit wonders. How about Mick Jagger & David Bowie's pathetic remake of "Dancing in the Street?" |
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Feb 29, 2012 0:01:32 GMT -5
I like Starship much better than Jefferson Airplane. Starship made songs with actual melodies and hooks. It was great pop music. Jefferson Airplane made meandering druggie rock. Nothing that group did in the '70s and (especially) the '80s could hold a candle to stuff like "Somebody To Love" and "White Rabbit." |
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Post by bestmusicexpert on Feb 29, 2012 5:31:32 GMT -5
Have you heard any of Jefferson Airplanes music? Volunteers, Plastic Fantastic Lover.....
I'll agree that one of my favorites fits your druggie meandering bill (Comin Back To Me)
However, Starship was the worst of the three/four versions! (Counting the 1979-1984 version of JS as a different band altogether) BAR NONE!
(I prefer the 74-78 Jefferson Starship personally to the other versions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2012 5:57:49 GMT -5
No way out is the best song by the band, just some years before We built this city.
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Post by jlthorpe on Feb 29, 2012 9:02:48 GMT -5
"No Way Out" was the year before "We Built This City" (NWO was 1984, WBTC was 1985).
Personally, I think I prefer the Mickey Thomas incarnations. Favorites include "Jane", "Find Your Way Back", "No Way Out", "Sara", "Tomorrow Doesn't Matter Tonight", and "It's Not Enough". I used to like "We Built This City" but I've since lost interest in it. For the non-Mickey Thomas incarnations, I used to like "White Rabbit" and "Miracles" (and kind of like "Volunteers"). I also like Marty Balin's solo hit "Hearts".
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Post by RNH on Mar 4, 2012 20:02:09 GMT -5
Since this topic is mostly about bad songs, I am going to put my two cents in!
The worst song ever to chart on AT40 happened during the Shadoe era. It was in; it was out; and thank god it has not been heard since:
"What I Like About You" by Michael Morales! An awful remake of a decent song!
Yes, there have been bad songs, but this one tops them all!
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Post by Jeffster on Mar 20, 2012 20:25:04 GMT -5
I like Starship much better than Jefferson Airplane. Starship made songs with actual melodies and hooks. It was great pop music. Jefferson Airplane made meandering druggie rock. Nothing that group did in the '70s and (especially) the '80s could hold a candle to stuff like "Somebody To Love" and "White Rabbit." If by "could hold a candle to" you mean "didn't suck as bad as" then I agree.  |
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Post by Jeffster on Mar 20, 2012 20:27:10 GMT -5
Have you heard any of Jefferson Airplanes music? Volunteers, Plastic Fantastic Lover..... I'll agree that one of my favorites fits your druggie meandering bill (Comin Back To Me) However, Starship was the worst of the three/four versions! (Counting the 1979-1984 version of JS as a different band altogether) BAR NONE! (I prefer the 74-78 Jefferson Starship personally to the other versions. Yeah, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Like I said, Starship made catchy songs with melodies about things I could relate to. I have no interest in Grace Slick wailing at the top of her lungs or stumbling around stage in a drug-induced stupor. |
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Post by Jeffster on Mar 20, 2012 20:28:30 GMT -5
Since this topic is mostly about bad songs, I am going to put my two cents in! The worst song ever to chart on AT40 happened during the Shadoe era. It was in; it was out; and thank god it has not been heard since: "What I Like About You" by Michael Morales! An awful remake of a decent song! Yes, there have been bad songs, but this one tops them all! Another song I like. And I dislike the fact that radio stations today only ever play The Romantics version that didn't hit the top 40, and not the Morales version that actually did! |
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