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Post by mitchm on Oct 31, 2021 19:07:36 GMT -5
KKMK is playing 10/25/2003 tonight. The sure shot is "It's My Life" by No Doubt. This is the first airing of this show in retro-Dees.
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Post by Mike on Nov 3, 2021 12:27:20 GMT -5
This is kind of random, but I'm wondering if I have the general timeline as to Rick's chart sources correct. This is how it all shakes out, as I understand it (EDIT 2/7/2022 now that 2/9/2002 has surfaced): Inception (1983) through 1984: Matches Cash Box of the same date - The Top 84 of 1984 airs in two parts over the weeks of 12/29/84 and 1/5/85
1/12/1985 through 7/16/1994: One week behind R&R-published charts (effectively, the same timeline later used by CT40 and then a resurrected AT40 - only, Dees started using them in 1985) - 7/16/1994 is the last week to match this timeline/duplicate CT40; it's also the first week where the show was distributed by ABC
7/23/1994 through 6/10 or 17/1995: Falls a week behind CT40 (so, now two weeks behind R&R) - but now, chart is also subject to manipulation - Probably the best examples of "chart manipulation" would fall at the beginning of this 11-month period - see Notes, below
- 6/17/1995 does not have a chart listing on Reception, and there is no notation for it on mitch's listing here that would indicate a special - did he do a summer special that week, or would that be the last "regular chart" of this period?
6/17 or 24/1995 through 7/12/1997: Uses a "hybrid"/"customized" R&R chart - As noted, 6/17/95 is currently unknown, but 6/24 quite plainly had a different chart of sorts - see Notes, below
7/19/1997 through 2/9/2002: Goes back to being a week behind CT40 (and then, the revived AT40), with chart again subject to manipulation - See Notes below with regards to July 1997 and February 2002
- For 10/21/2000 through August 2001, Rick's charts wouldn't mimic AT40 since that was when AT40 used the unpublished Mediabase chart, but Rick simply stayed on what he was doing.
2/16/2002 through 1/15/2005: Returns to being just a week behind R&R, largely duplicating AT40 - but still having the chart subject to manipulation (if not very much) - 2004, of course, would no longer have the "duplicating AT40" consideration, that being the start of the Seacrest era there
- The countdown would be distributed by Premiere (in addition to AT40) through 2004
- See Notes below for early 2005
1/22/2005 to the present: Chart compiled in-house NOTES: - 8/1/1992 is when he began skipping songs regularly - and by regularly, I mean every week with only the occasional where all 40 get played. This excludes situations such as cutting "All or Nothing" very short in the Top 90 of 1990, and in 1991 there'd be a handful of weeks where something would get skipped - but it was not yet up to he was doing this every single week.
- With regards to 1994: On 4/23 he did an all-request special, on 4/30 he used the R&R from two weeks ago (duplicating CT40's 4/23), then he skipped R&R's first PPW chart and went back to duplicating CT40 on 5/7. This would remain through 7/16.
- 7/23/1994 seems to be "half a week" behind CT40, then 7/30 mostly matches the CT40 from 7/23, with the most notable exceptions happening at #1 early in that 11-month period: "Stay (I Missed You)" got just 1 week on top, on 7/30. Ace of Base then return to #1 for two more weeks, then "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" starts a 4-week run on top on 8/20. Then, "Wild Night" hits the top on 9/17 - don't know who's #1 for 9/24.
- With regards to the different chart used from mid-1995 through early 1997: It's been noted that this chart had a prominent Rhythmic lean. How exactly the chart was compiled, is less clear - but I may have stumbled upon a possible method to the madness, as it were. In R&R's 6/16/1995 issue, there's a blurb where a new feature was introduced on R&R Online: One had the ability to create Custom Format Charts based on market size, individual stations, formats, music tracking - any way the user saw fit. It would not shock me to learn that Rick/the Weekly Top 40 staff would have, in fact, been using this exact tool. Here's where it's mentioned: worldradiohistory.com/Archive-RandR/1990s/1995/RR-1995-06-16.pdf#page=27
- Regardless of what he did with the week of 6/17/1995, though, by 6/24 the chart change was definitely in effect - over the course of two weeks from 6/10 to 6/24, Montell Jordan goes 23-9, Adina Howard goes 29-15, Stevie B goes 36-27 - all leaping to places several notches higher than they peaked on CT40.
- With regards to July 1997: 7/12 still shows certain Rhythmic-friendly songs faring better compared to R&R/CT40. Then on 7/19, that week matches the CT40 from 7/12 EXACTLY. 7/26 does not match CT40's 7/19 exactly, but the results point to Rick using song switching again and no longer a "different" chart.
- I discovered that the "different" chart went that long into 1997 (longer than I originally thought) from just doing side-by-side comparison of the two countdowns. I initially thought "One in a Million" might have been the last song to reach Rick's countdown and not Casey's, but then on the week that fell off, I noticed songs like "Return of the Mack" and Blackstreet's "Don't Leave Me" were already on Rick's countdown but not yet on Casey's - so, clearly he wasn't done with the "different" chart yet.
- With regards to February 2002: 2/9/2002 is a week behind AT40, then on 2/16, he moves up a week to be on their same timeline (both countdowns match EXACTLY on 2/16).
- With regards to late 2004/early 2005: December 2004 has just one chart listing available - 12/11, which appears to be two weeks behind R&R, but with that being the only week we can see, I can't make any determination off that. Heading into 2005 - on 1/8, the chart mostly matches R&R's last weekly chart for 2004 (12/17). 1/15, upon further discovery, used an unpublished holiday break Mediabase/R&R. It's 1/22 where he completely deviates from R&R/Mediabase, ultimately for good - and February would leave no doubt of that, with the chart movement as an immediate tip-off that he's no longer sticking with them - small wonder, given that he no longer had ties to Premiere (which owns Mediabase, R&R's last data provider before Billboard bought R&R in 2006).
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Post by mitchm on Nov 4, 2021 12:44:55 GMT -5
Excellent job, Mike. I'll study this some more in the next 2-3 days and comment at that time.
By the way - I am working on getting about 95% or better of the sure shots for the years 1985-1999. I'll post them on my two chart listings (gradually) but I won't be setting any speed records doing that. Hope to have them all posted by about March. There just isn't enough time in the world even though I am retired.
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Post by Mike on Nov 4, 2021 13:36:59 GMT -5
I, meanwhile, am working on a Dees 2K listing - so far I'm only at the stage of compiling which dates have been done, I'll add #1s/Sure Shots/other notes to what I have after.
In the process of gathering those so far, I've seen posts that seem to confirm much of the timing I'd listed above - for example, 6/17/1995 was apparently a summer special. The Custom Format Charts feature was something I stumbled upon by complete accident - I consulted R&R, as I've heard there was a time (at least in 1994) where they did in fact publish a "combined" CHR chart even after separating it out into Pop and Rhythmic. The combined chart didn't last too long, but in looking for possible explanations as to what Dees used for mid-1995 to mid-1997, I thought I'd try to maybe find something that would help explain it.
I guess you could say I was expecting/hoping to find "something" - but that the CFCs would turn out to be that "something"? Not so much.
I do think it provides a better explanation for what he counted down than, oh it was just an Urban-friendly/Rhythmic-friendly chart. If it's just something with that lean, then...well...I'd actually expect to find even more evidence to that effect, in the form of more songs that wouldn't have reached R&R's CHR/Pop chart - or they did, but stopped in the 40s. One notable omission that comes to mind is "One More Chance" by The Notorious B.I.G. - that actually reached #24 on Billboard's Hot 100 Airplay chart (which in 1995 consisted of Mainstream, Rhythmic, Adult, and Modern Rock, all combined), but didn't reach Rick's countdown despite being a summer hit. Mokenstef's "He's Mine" is such a song that did get there that stopped in the 40s on CHR/Pop (#45), and admittedly I'm surprised that Shaggy's "Boombastic" (which didn't reach Pop at all) turned up as well. I still can't help thinking there should have been more if being Rhythmic-friendly was the only explanation. That's why I'd instead pin it down to...if anything? This might have even been a customized "affiliates" chart - where the only contributors were all his affiliates, and there were enough larger-market stations in there to account for the Urban/Rhythmic-friendly boosts, as those stations would be playing those songs more.
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Post by mitchm on Nov 4, 2021 14:13:20 GMT -5
Mike - kani tried to talk me into doing a third chart for 2000-2009 about 2 years ago and I told her no way - I was just too busy (I've never been a good time manager). But what I am now doing with 1985-1999 sure shots is plowing them into my excel file and when that is done I will start putting them in the 2 internet files of mine. But if you want, send me a private message with your email address and I will send you the pertinent part of my personal Dees excel file and also an excel file I received from a collector in 2018 that has most of the sure shots and #1 songs from 1984 to 04/2018. I could email you a sample from those 2 files and see if they are useful to you and we could go from there. I am just now starting to merge the sure shot info I got in 2018 into my personal file and am done with 1985 to 1994 on that. It just hasn't been a top priority for me.
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Post by Mike on Nov 4, 2021 15:57:39 GMT -5
PM sent!
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Post by mitchm on Nov 4, 2021 17:06:51 GMT -5
KDGL TheEagle1069.com is playing 11/07/87 today. The sure shot is "Need You Tonight" by INXS. This is the 10th airing for this show in retro-Dees, the most recent being 11/07/2020.
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Post by JMW on Nov 4, 2021 18:56:19 GMT -5
KDGL TheEagle1069.com is playing 11/07/87 today. The sure shot is "Need You Tonight" by INXS. This is the 10th airing for this show in retro-Dees, the most recent being 11/07/2020. Is this the first time they've played shows from two consecutive weeks?
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Post by Mike on Nov 4, 2021 21:11:59 GMT -5
Is this the first time they've played shows from two consecutive weeks? I can't be certain without checking through the thread to be sure, but if you're asking if that's happened in general...even Dees 2K has done that. They've done it three times this year, in fact. Twice in January! 1/4 and 1/11/03, and then 1/20 and 1/27/01. And then just this past month, 10/18 and 10/25/03, albeit the Hot AC version of 10/24/09 came between them.
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Post by burcjm on Nov 6, 2021 10:53:29 GMT -5
App is (partially) updated:
November 5, 1994 November 4, 2006
The 80s show isn't updated yet.
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Post by mitchm on Nov 6, 2021 12:07:57 GMT -5
WBEL mostly90s.com is again NOT playing Rick Dees today.
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Post by Mike on Nov 6, 2021 12:56:39 GMT -5
WBEL mostly90s.com is again NOT playing Rick Dees today. They're gearing up for a high school football game - and upon checking, not only does it appear to be a playoff game, but the local team appears to be undefeated. So it's no wonder that sports take precedence here. My bet: Expect Dees to be pre-empted here until either the team loses on a given week, or they win the championship, whichever comes first. In the meantime, check WXCV Citrus 95.3 at 3:00.
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Post by Mike on Nov 6, 2021 14:04:20 GMT -5
In the meantime, check WXCV Citrus 95.3 at 3:00. And the 90s fascination with 1991 continues, as after radio played 10/26 while the app played 11/2 last week, this week it's 11/9 on the radio side. Sure Shot: Lisa Stansfield's "Change". It's a 5th time play for this show in total.
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Post by burcjm on Nov 6, 2021 14:27:19 GMT -5
App is (partially) updated: November 5, 1994 November 4, 2006 The 80s show isn't updated yet. The 80s show has updated to November 8, 1986.
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Post by kani on Nov 6, 2021 15:24:19 GMT -5
So Nov 5, 1994 last aired 2011, and Nov 8, 1986 was last aired 2012. interesting.
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