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Post by johnnywest on Jul 7, 2015 21:06:51 GMT -5
It happened sometime in the summer of 1989 and Shadoe mentioned a correction the following week.
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Post by freakyflybry on Jul 7, 2015 23:38:12 GMT -5
By the way, the fluidity of the 1974 and 1975 Billboard charts are also reflected in the Cash Box and Record World charts of the same period. The number of Top 10's and Number 1's during that period are greatly increased during that two year time frame, compared to the rest of the decade. Consequently, R&R had a lot less turnover of #1's during that time - just 19 in 1974 and 18 in 1975.
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Post by dukelightning on Jul 8, 2015 6:26:20 GMT -5
Also, the 1975 Year End countdown has #6 to #74 not matching that of Billboard because Some Kind Of Wonderful was played at #6! I think you are basing that on a subsequent listing of the Billboard year end chart which IIRC, were retabulated by someone outside of Billboard this century or late last century. But what AT40 played was what was published in Billboard back in 1975. Or it was another late change a la the 6/9/73 chart. In any case, there is a note card by the AT40 staff noting the improper placement of the Grand Funk song so AT40 was aware of the mistake.
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Post by larocque6689 on Jan 11, 2018 20:42:57 GMT -5
I caught this almost by accident today. On 11/30/1991, AT40 switched to the Airplay charts, but after a few weeks, they used what looks like a custom chart for 12/14/1991. It was Wildside scoring #29 on AT40 when it's peak was #30 on Airplay. The 12/14/1991 chart doesn't match the Hot 100 or the Airplay chart, and the most distinctive features are #30 - Marky Mark's Wildside (AT40 #29) #40 - Angelica's Angel Baby (not on AT40 chart) #41 - Bonnie Raitt's Something To Talk About (AT40 #40) Angel Baby is a one-week Spanglish song that never appeared on CT40/RR or AT40. It became an AT40 chart orphan. I wonder I they were having buyer's remorse over going to the Airplay chart, and made an attempt to "blend" the two charts that week. In any case, it seems in 1992 they were firmly anchored to Airplay. www.billboard.com/charts/radio-songs/1991-12-14oldradioshows.com/at40/121491.html
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Post by doofus67 on Jan 11, 2018 22:42:09 GMT -5
I caught this almost by accident today. On 11/30/1991, AT40 switched to the Airplay charts, but after a few weeks, they used what looks like a custom chart for 12/14/1991. It was Wildside scoring #29 on AT40 when it's peak was #30 on Airplay. The 12/14/1991 chart doesn't match the Hot 100 or the Airplay chart, and the most distinctive features are #30 - Marky Mark's Wildside (AT40 #29) #40 - Angelica's Angel Baby (not on AT40 chart) #41 - Bonnie Raitt's Something To Talk About (AT40 #40) Angel Baby is a one-week Spanglish song that never appeared on CT40/RR or AT40. It became an AT40 chart orphan. I wonder I they were having buyer's remorse over going to the Airplay chart, and made an attempt to "blend" the two charts that week. In any case, it seems in 1992 they were firmly anchored to Airplay. www.billboard.com/charts/radio-songs/1991-12-14oldradioshows.com/at40/121491.htmlWelcome to the board! Good insights.
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 12, 2018 9:07:18 GMT -5
What about the GAVIN REPORT charts? They were used for the 1990-1991 Dave Sholin's Inside Top 40/Top 30 shows.
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Post by Hervard on Jan 12, 2018 11:46:49 GMT -5
What about the GAVIN REPORT charts? They were used for the 1990-1991 Dave Sholin's Inside Top 40/Top 30 shows. Those charts were based on radio station playlists, just like R&R. The only difference is, Gavin's reporting panel had many small market stations that were not on R&R's panel. As a result, there were many songs that made the Gavin chart and not R&R. I was only able to catch the first few editions of "Dave Sholin's Insider" before I went off to college, but I do remember songs like "That's Not Her Style" by Billy Joel and "Same Old Look" by Jimmy Ryser on the countdown. Many songs started their chart run earlier and peaked higher as well - one that stands out in my mind is "Stranger To Love" by St. Paul. It moved 37-33-32 on the first few shows I heard and the week it was #32 was when it debuted on the R&R chart at #38, where it peaked. R&B and rap music tended to peak lower on the Gavin chart than on R&R, and the many such songs that charted for only two or three weeks in the lower reaches of the R&R chart unsurprisingly did not chart at Gavin (and didn't even chart that high on their "Up & Coming" lists neither). Since the college I went to was in the South Bend, IN area, WYTZ (the only station I knew of that ran Insider) did not come in very well, but if my jam box antenna pointed in a certain direction, I could tune it in, though it was still usually quite statical, so I was able to listen to the show on a weekly basis to the remainder of the school year (the last edition I listened to there was the week that they trimmed the countdown to 30 positions, which I thought was a shame, but apparently they did that for the same reason AT40 Flashback cut their show back to three hours - in effort to sell the show better. This tactic didn't work for Insider, as the show was cancelled in early October, 1991. By that point, I was subscribing to Gavin
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Post by larocque6689 on Jan 12, 2018 13:19:41 GMT -5
I've been meaning to spend a bit more time with AT40 in 1992, but it was an interesting time in the charts. In October 1992, Billboard introduced the Mainstream Top 40 charts, which in 1992 was a lot more like RR than the one AT40 used. Adult contemporary hits (like Richard Marx's Chains Around My Heart) either failed to chart on AT40 (which was still Airplay 100) or were at the bottom of the Top 40 - but which fared a lot better on CT40. AT40 didn't switch to the Mainstream Top 40 until 1993.
Many of these also hits fared better north of the border on Canada's RPM chart, which was basically an airplay chart with a narrower array of singles, less R&B and a lot of Canadian content to fill out the gaps. I listened to a lot of radio back then and find RPM, RR/CT40 and the A/C charts are a better representative of the era than the Billboard offerings.
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 12, 2018 15:14:11 GMT -5
Do you also remember circa mid 1980's to 1992 "Scott Shannon's All Request Top 30 Countdown" or in the 1980's 3 hour "Dan Ingram Top 40 Satallite Survey"? These weren't Billboard based.
How about "Top 30 Hitlist" in the 1990's? It wasn't Billboard based too!
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Jan 12, 2018 16:38:45 GMT -5
I believe what happened was that Billboard changed the chart after AT40 was sent their copy. I caught this almost by accident today. On 11/30/1991, AT40 switched to the Airplay charts, but after a few weeks, they used what looks like a custom chart for 12/14/1991. It was Wildside scoring #29 on AT40 when it's peak was #30 on Airplay. The 12/14/1991 chart doesn't match the Hot 100 or the Airplay chart, and the most distinctive features are #30 - Marky Mark's Wildside (AT40 #29) #40 - Angelica's Angel Baby (not on AT40 chart) #41 - Bonnie Raitt's Something To Talk About (AT40 #40) Angel Baby is a one-week Spanglish song that never appeared on CT40/RR or AT40. It became an AT40 chart orphan. I wonder I they were having buyer's remorse over going to the Airplay chart, and made an attempt to "blend" the two charts that week. In any case, it seems in 1992 they were firmly anchored to Airplay. www.billboard.com/charts/radio-songs/1991-12-14oldradioshows.com/at40/121491.html
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Post by Hervard on Jan 12, 2018 19:50:44 GMT -5
Do you also remember circa mid 1980's to 1992 "Scott Shannon's All Request Top 30 Countdown" or in the 1980's 3 hour "Dan Ingram Top 40 Satallite Survey"? These weren't Billboard based. How about "Top 30 Hitlist" in the 1990's? It wasn't Billboard based too! I remember the Scott Shannon show. Actually, it was called "Rockin' America Top 30 Countdown" for most of its life. I believe it started sometime in 1984, though I can't remember the date. I do remember that B96 added it in February, 1987 to fill the void left by the recent cancellation of the aforementioned Top 40 Satellite Survey and when it was no longer on Sunday nights as of February, 1990, I figured that they'd dropped the show. It turned out that they had just moved it to Saturday mornings. Sometime between February and December, 1990, when I happened upon the show one day during their year-end Top 60, the show had become a request countdown, although it was still based on R&R. dth1971, do you happen to remember when the show became an all-request show? Well, anyway, B96 carried the show until 1991, when they began playing American Dance Traxx instead. As for Top 40 Satellite Survey, I believe I remember hearing that debuted in April, 1984, and lasted until Christmas weekend, 1986. I think that one was based on a small reporting panel of the stations that aired the show, which accounts for some of the weird chart runs that many songs had. Can't say I ever heard Top 30 Hitlist. Apparently, no stations in my area ever aired that one.
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Post by Hervard on Jan 13, 2018 13:15:35 GMT -5
I believe what happened was that Billboard changed the chart after AT40 was sent their copy. I caught this almost by accident today. On 11/30/1991, AT40 switched to the Airplay charts, but after a few weeks, they used what looks like a custom chart for 12/14/1991. It was Wildside scoring #29 on AT40 when it's peak was #30 on Airplay. The 12/14/1991 chart doesn't match the Hot 100 or the Airplay chart, and the most distinctive features are #30 - Marky Mark's Wildside (AT40 #29) #40 - Angelica's Angel Baby (not on AT40 chart) #41 - Bonnie Raitt's Something To Talk About (AT40 #40) Angel Baby is a one-week Spanglish song that never appeared on CT40/RR or AT40. It became an AT40 chart orphan. I wonder I they were having buyer's remorse over going to the Airplay chart, and made an attempt to "blend" the two charts that week. In any case, it seems in 1992 they were firmly anchored to Airplay. www.billboard.com/charts/radio-songs/1991-12-14oldradioshows.com/at40/121491.htmlAnd, thus, listeners, already annoyed that AT40 had abandoned the Hot 100 two weeks earlier, were further pissed off, as well as confused. Some people were quite vocal about their displeasure, going so far as to write to or call Watermark to tell them what they thought of this (one of them even said that "what (they were) practicing (was) near to fraud") (source: Rob Durkee's book American Top 40" The Countdown of the Century). I, on the other hand, had no idea what chart they were using until I scanned AT40's subcharts for the Hot 100 and realized the Top 40 Radio Monitor was what they were using, so I was not aware of all the mistakes on the 12/14/91 edition of AT40 until I got a hold of that chart.
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 13, 2018 14:50:52 GMT -5
There are a few other countdowns that AT40 played one or two songs in the wrong positions: 5/11/74: #33 and #34 were swapped 8/13/83: #38 should be "It's Inevitable" by Charlie but they played "Pieces Of Ice" by Diana Ross, which dropped out of the Top 40 that week, instead 9/1/84: #12 and #15 were swapped 12/15/84: #22 and #23 were swapped No idea if there are other similar incidents. 9/23/72: #34 and 39 were swapped. Uriah Heep's "Easy Livin" was played at #34 when Billboard never actually placed it higher than 39. (Leon Russell's "Tight Rope" was conversely underranked that week.) There was also a Shadoe Stevens AT40 in July 1989 when the positions of L.L. Cool J's "I'm That Type of Guy" and Warrant's "Down Boys" were swapped. Shadoe mentioned about the swap error the next week. Also in a December 1970 AT40 show "So Close" by Jake Holmes was on the AT40 chart at #39 when it never made the Top 40 reaches of Billboard's Hot 100 at all!
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Post by bandit73 on Jan 14, 2018 14:26:59 GMT -5
There are a few other countdowns that AT40 played one or two songs in the wrong positions: 5/11/74: #33 and #34 were swapped 8/13/83: #38 should be "It's Inevitable" by Charlie but they played "Pieces Of Ice" by Diana Ross, which dropped out of the Top 40 that week, instead 9/1/84: #12 and #15 were swapped 12/15/84: #22 and #23 were swapped No idea if there are other similar incidents. For 12/15/84, the two songs in question were "Hello Again" by the Cars (correct position: #22) and "You're the Inspiration" by Chicago (correct position: #23). This may explain why the Ultimate Music Database has them transposed from that point forward in their chart runs.
I think UMD has corrected this now.
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Post by doofus67 on Jan 14, 2018 15:55:55 GMT -5
For 12/15/84, the two songs in question were "Hello Again" by the Cars (correct position: #22) and "You're the Inspiration" by Chicago (correct position: #23). This may explain why the Ultimate Music Database has them transposed from that point forward in their chart runs.
I think UMD has corrected this now. Yes. They had "Breakdown Dead Ahead" and "Brass in Pocket" flip-flopped, and fixed that too. Not all the info is correct, but they have made great strides toward getting the chart numbers squared away.
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