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Post by davewollenberg on Nov 7, 2015 12:43:09 GMT -5
Has 'You don't have to be a star' EVER been broadcast in its entirety? 2nd verse was edited out, yet again on the 11-6-76 show!
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Post by mkarns on Nov 7, 2015 12:54:10 GMT -5
Premiere cut the you-know-what out of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" in the 11/6/76 show broadcast this week. The ship set out, and the next thing you know it was being mourned, without much of the vivid description that Gordon Lightfoot provides in the song. (And yes, that was Premiere's fault; I've heard the same countdown from Sirius XM and it included the complete song that week.)
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Post by davewollenberg on Nov 7, 2015 14:02:40 GMT -5
OE 'Hello, old friend' had the last verse cut out.
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Post by dukelightning on Nov 7, 2015 15:13:44 GMT -5
Premiere has stooped to a new low with that Edmund Fitzgerald editing. Cardinal rule of editing is never, I repeat NEVER edit a story song. FYI, in this third hour with only 12 songs in it which is unusual, the only edit in the original show was the second verse of "Muskrat Love". Although as usual "Magic Man" was chopped into a K-Tel like song although that may be the way it was edited on the 45. I will be editing in Lp versions of the above two songs along with Blue Oyster Cult and Hall & Oates into the third hour when I do my re-editing of the show. But editing a story song? No!
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Post by davewollenberg on Nov 7, 2015 20:37:10 GMT -5
'Muscles' had to be a Premiere edit. The 2nd verse was edited off.
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Post by slf on Nov 7, 2015 22:13:52 GMT -5
Never mind Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald. What about Wreck of the Peter Frampton? Do you feel like I do about the edit? One verse, then straight to an abbreviated talking guitar monologue. That was probably somebody's way of trying to appease the AOR crowd, but I cannot imagine anybody being happy about that abominable edit.
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Post by mkarns on Nov 8, 2015 0:54:18 GMT -5
Premiere has stooped to a new low with that Edmund Fitzgerald editing. Cardinal rule of editing is never, I repeat NEVER edit a story song. FYI, in this third hour with only 12 songs in it which is unusual, the only edit in the original show was the second verse of "Muskrat Love". Although as usual "Magic Man" was chopped into a K-Tel like song although that may be the way it was edited on the 45. I will be editing in Lp versions of the above two songs along with Blue Oyster Cult and Hall & Oates into the third hour when I do my re-editing of the show. But editing a story song? No! To be fair, TWOTEF runs about 6 minutes, which was increasingly difficult to fit into a 3 hour countdown. But on some other AT40s of the period, the countdown staff managed to edit it in a more judicious way, cutting out a verse or two but still leaving listeners with a beginning, middle, and end of the story. Premiere's edit this week was just the beginning and end, with almost no middle. "Do You Feel Like We Do" probably suffered from similar time constraints. Incidentally, it only hit #10 in Billboard but #5 in Radio & Records, indicating that many stations somehow managed to fit it in, and that the sales of the single probably lagged, which isn't surprising since almost everyone interested in it was evidently buying the "Frampton Comes Alive!" album.
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Post by at40nut on Nov 8, 2015 3:13:09 GMT -5
Premiere has stooped to a new low with that Edmund Fitzgerald editing. Cardinal rule of editing is never, I repeat NEVER edit a story song. FYI, in this third hour with only 12 songs in it which is unusual, the only edit in the original show was the second verse of "Muskrat Love". Although as usual "Magic Man" was chopped into a K-Tel like song although that may be the way it was edited on the 45. I will be editing in Lp versions of the above two songs along with Blue Oyster Cult and Hall & Oates into the third hour when I do my re-editing of the show. But editing a story song? No! The "Magic Man" 45 single is the same is what you usually here on the radio today, they just cut the guitar solo and the ending. Back to "The Wreck of The Ed Fitz," there was a show from 11-9-85 where it was used as an AT40 extra commemorating the 10th anniversary of that fateful day. I will probably go back and check for sure, but I do believe that the full version of that song was played on that show. If they played the full versions of Frampton, BOC, and Gordon Lightfoot, about a quarter of the countdown would have to have been eliminated!
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Post by slf on Nov 8, 2015 6:53:51 GMT -5
To clarify my point on the Frampton song, they should have just played the single release version (two verses, short interlude, third verse, but no long talking guitar monologue). My guess is that version runs three minutes and change and would suit many people just fine, including me, since I lose patience really fast with that long, self-indulgent solo guitar part anyway.
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Post by dukelightning on Nov 8, 2015 14:47:33 GMT -5
Except the guitar solo in "Magic Man", unlike say the guitar solo in "Barracuda", "Heartless" or even its predecessor which is an even greater song "Crazy on You", is what makes it the signature song of Hearts' first decade. It is another reason AT40 needed to go to 4 hours earlier than they did.
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Post by jamesff on Nov 8, 2015 16:07:31 GMT -5
I don't think the edited version of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" even mention the wreck in it.
They completely removed the talk box section of "Do You Fell Like We Do".
It is bad enough that the AT40 staff has edited the songs, but Premiere is even worst. There is no reason for Premiere to be editing the songs. They should either give the show a longer run time or speed up the programming (like cable stations do to classic shows).
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Post by 80sat40fan on Nov 8, 2015 17:48:05 GMT -5
There is no reason for Premiere to be editing the songs. Yes, there is. With most shows from the 70s, they offered less commercial time to stations then than stations air today in a typical hour. if a stations wants to remain profitable, they have to sell more commercial time. The typical show back then offered 11 minutes of commercial time per hour to national and local clients. Today, most radio stations play about 12 - 15 minutes of commercials an hour, more during their peak times. How will stations make up this sales income? I get why some stations don't play the optional extras as they can sell the air time for commercials. To me, if we don't hear the extras, it means many people in a given market are listening to the AT40 replays! Do I like it that a couple of songs don't get played in their entirety each week? No. Do I really dislike it when a storytelling song like The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald gets heavily edited? You bet! But given that stations need to make a profit, we should be thankful that we are hearing these shows from 30 and 40 years ago, and if it means two songs a week get trimmed, I am still thankful that these shows are played and are keeping Casey Kasem's name and voice out there!!!
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Post by trekkielo on Nov 9, 2015 9:53:28 GMT -5
Premiere cut the you-know-what out of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" in the 11/6/76 show broadcast this week. The ship set out, and the next thing you know it was being mourned, without much of the vivid description that Gordon Lightfoot provides in the song. (And yes, that was Premiere's fault; I've heard the same countdown from Sirius XM and it included the complete song that week.) But did SXM leave the Casey Kasem lead-in story about Gordon Lightfoot's Canadian awards?!
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Post by vince on Nov 9, 2015 15:30:19 GMT -5
Regarding some of the edits on the 11/6/76 show.
"Do you Feel Like We Do" had the second verse cut out which was likely done by Premiere. AT40 may have cut the talk box section out on the original show. They did cut the talk box out on the 1977 Year End show and the song ran about 5 minutes.
"Magic Man" sounded like AT40 played the radio edit which fades at under 3 minutes, which may be the way it was played on the original show. I remember a lot of AM stations playing this short version back in 1976. But as already mentioned, the commercial 45 had the long version.
"The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" on the Premiere show was edited from the Lp version. It contained a small musical interlude that was edited out on the single version. IMO, Premiere could have done a better job of editing it to keep the story somewhat intact.
When Premiere had a 1978 show a few weeks ago, "Who Are You" was an edit of the Lp version rather than the single version. The single version is what I recall AT40 playing back in 1978.
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Post by davewollenberg on Nov 9, 2015 21:36:32 GMT -5
WLS-AM made their own edit of 'Magic Man'.
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