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Post by Shadoe Fan on Nov 10, 2015 11:56:56 GMT -5
Listening to 11/5/94 with Shadoe now, and they looped a portion of Collective Soul's "Shine". It sounded awful.
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Post by The Max on Nov 11, 2015 0:17:12 GMT -5
There was one episode when Truly Madly Deeply was #2 for the 80th week in 1998 that I remember Casey playing the first verse and the chorus and then it lead into the ending, skipping both the second verse and the bridge. Like everyone else, myself included, I'm sure they were sick of the song too. I think it only happened for that one week though. Must have been awkward when it returned to #1 after Celine dropped out.
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Post by Mike on Nov 11, 2015 0:52:03 GMT -5
There was one episode when Truly Madly Deeply was #2 for the 80th week in 1998 that I remember Casey playing the first verse and the chorus and then it lead into the ending, skipping both the second verse and the bridge. Like everyone else, myself included, I'm sure they were sick of the song too. I think it only happened for that one week though. Must have been awkward when it returned to #1 after Celine dropped out. When I listened through the 1998 shows last year, I noticed that they shortened it in at least some form for all of its weeks at #2. The week it returned to #1 is where that didn't happen.
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Post by jamesff on Nov 14, 2015 8:50:38 GMT -5
There is no reason for Premiere to be editing the songs. Yes, there is. With most shows from the 70s, they offered less commercial time to stations then than stations air today in a typical hour. if a stations wants to remain profitable, they have to sell more commercial time. The typical show back then offered 11 minutes of commercial time per hour to national and local clients. Today, most radio stations play about 12 - 15 minutes of commercials an hour, more during their peak times. How will stations make up this sales income? I get why some stations don't play the optional extras as they can sell the air time for commercials. To me, if we don't hear the extras, it means many people in a given market are listening to the AT40 replays! Do I like it that a couple of songs don't get played in their entirety each week? No. Do I really dislike it when a storytelling song like The Wreck Of The Edmund Fitzgerald gets heavily edited? You bet! But given that stations need to make a profit, we should be thankful that we are hearing these shows from 30 and 40 years ago, and if it means two songs a week get trimmed, I am still thankful that these shows are played and are keeping Casey Kasem's name and voice out there!!! I understand that stations need to make a profit. But I did give 2 options that Premiere could have done (extend the show or speed up the show) obviously speeding up the show wouldn't go too big with listening audience. According to Wikipedia, the current version of AT40 clocks in at 4:30; however if you remove the commercials the show would only clock in at 2:57 (I guess Ryan needs to pay the bills). I wouldn't mind a 3:30 show. A 3:30 show would give you plenty of time to add the extra commercials, fix the edited songs, and maybe add a few extra songs.
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Post by BrettVW on Nov 14, 2015 10:14:22 GMT -5
AT40, with commercials, clocks in at 4 hours. Just as it has since 1978.
Without going into things like format clocks, unlike television, syndicated radio shows really need to start and end on the hour. A show with a run time in half hour segments is truly not an option.
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Post by BrettVW on Nov 14, 2015 10:18:02 GMT -5
You can speed up the shows, but then people would complain about that. No matter what is done, if the shows are so much as touched in any way, it will bring out the complainers. Heck, don't touch the shows and someone will complain.
Premiere makes the decisions they make. You can either enjoy the shows they air (and remind me again how much they charge us to listen - exactly), purchase shows from Shannon Lynn, or go outside and realize the real world and real life have much, much bigger issues than snipping a verse off a song on a rerun of a radio show.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 10:48:49 GMT -5
You can speed up the shows, but then people would complain about that. No matter what is done, if the shows are so much as touched in any way, it will bring out the complainers. Heck, don't touch the shows and someone will complain. Premiere makes the decisions they make. You can either enjoy the shows they air (and remind me again how much they charge us to listen - exactly), purchase shows from Shannon Lynn, or go outside and realize the real world and real life have much, much bigger issues than snipping a verse off a song on a rerun of a radio show. ^^ winner and still champion of the board.
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Post by davewollenberg on Nov 14, 2015 14:10:23 GMT -5
Or, you can go to YouTube, and listen to the songs in their entirety, there.
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Post by davewollenberg on Nov 14, 2015 14:18:41 GMT -5
On the 11-16-74 show, it seemed strange that 'You're the first' would be edited in its debut week in the 40. It had to be Premiere's idea.
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Post by dukelightning on Nov 24, 2015 11:36:27 GMT -5
Premiere cut the you-know-what out of "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" in the 11/6/76 show broadcast this week. The ship set out, and the next thing you know it was being mourned, without much of the vivid description that Gordon Lightfoot provides in the song. (And yes, that was Premiere's fault; I've heard the same countdown from Sirius XM and it included the complete song that week.) But did SXM leave the Casey Kasem lead-in story about Gordon Lightfoot's Canadian awards?! On the 11/27/76 show which I just heard, Casey tells the story of how 18 ships and over 300 men died on ships wrecks the same date as the Edmund Fitzgerald wreck...November 11th in 1913 and 1930. BTW, the song ran about 5 and a half minutes. You know this song never made a year end survey. And it would not have mattered whether AT40 used their own rankings as they did in 1977 or Billboard's. The only song above this one in the 11/27/76 show, "Tonight's the Night" is supposedly the reason AT40 compiled their own list so they would not have a '1976' song at #1 for 1977. So Rod Stewart and Gordon Lightfoot at #1 and #2 in this show, kind of got shafted in the year end survey.
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Post by vince on Nov 24, 2015 23:40:17 GMT -5
On the 11/27/76 show which I just heard, Casey tells the story of how 18 ships and over 300 men died on ships wrecks the same date as the Edmund Fitzgerald wreck...November 11th in 1913 and 1930. BTW, the song ran about 5 and a half minutes. You know this song never made a year end survey. And it would not have mattered whether AT40 used their own rankings as they did in 1977 or Billboard's. The only song above this one in the 11/27/76 show, "Tonight's the Night" is supposedly the reason AT40 compiled their own list so they would not have a '1976' song at #1 for 1977. So Rod Stewart and Gordon Lightfoot at #1 and #2 in this show, kind of got shafted in the year end survey.[/quote]
"The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" appears to have been erroneously left out of AT40's 1977 year end countdown. It peaked the week of 11/20/76, the same week that "Love So Right" and "Muskrat Love" peaked which were both included in the countdown. AT40 counted the full chart runs. "Do You Feel Like We Do" peaked the week before and it was included. Another omission was "Nadia's Theme" which peaked at #8 on 12/11/76.
BB's survey period for 1976 ended 10/30/76 and their 1977 survey period began 11/6/76. This split "the Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald"'s chart run causing it not to have enough points to rank in either year.
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Post by trekkielo on Nov 25, 2015 1:07:13 GMT -5
But did SXM leave the Casey Kasem lead-in story about Gordon Lightfoot's Canadian awards?! On the 11/27/76 show which I just heard, Casey tells the story of how 18 ships and over 300 men died on ships wrecks the same date as the Edmund Fitzgerald wreck...November 11th in 1913 and 1930. When Casey Kasem did his 10 year anniversary AT40 Extra for "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" by Gordon Lightfoot from November 9th, 1985, he then said that they all happened on the same day of the week, Tuesday, in 1913, 1930 and 1975!
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Post by dukelightning on Nov 25, 2015 15:02:01 GMT -5
Ok, let's put some numbers behind all the talk and claims, etc. I just redid the 11/27/76 show, editing in longer songs. Here are times for the songs I edited in. The first time is the running time on the original AT40 show, the second time is the length of the song that I edited in.
SHE'S GONE 2:30...4:10 A FIFTH OF BEETHOVEN 2:00...5:30 PLAY THAT FUNKY MUSIC 2:50...4:40 IT'A A LONG WAY THERE 3:50...7:50 MAGIC MAN 2:40...5:25 DON'T FEAR THE REAPER 3:30...4:50 LOVE BALLAD 3:15...4:05 BEST DISCO IN TOWN 2:15...6:15 YOU MAKE ME FEEL LIKE DANCING 2:25...3:20 YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A STAR 2:15...6:00 MUSKRAT LOVE 2:15...3:20
BTW, the running times for "Do You Feel Like WE Do" and "The Wreck of Edmund Fitzgerald" were 4:40 and 5:30, respectively. Though there are longer versions of both songs, I felt those versions were long enough. Not that I don't like the songs, as I do. The running time of the whole show as a result of this is a couple minutes short of 3 hours and that is just the songs and jingles, no commercials. That compares to about 3:15-3:20 for a 4 hour show. Now you see why so many people thought a 4 hour show was necessary in 1976. Throw in a couple LDDs and archive #1 songs and you are right at that number. (Yes they could have started with the #1 songs from 1955 had they started the 4 hour shows a couple years earlier).
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Post by davewollenberg on Dec 5, 2015 9:59:45 GMT -5
I did notice that 'Out of touch' was edited. Daryl's scream, and the bridge were edited out. Had to be Premiere's cuttin'.
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Post by davewollenberg on Dec 5, 2015 10:48:54 GMT -5
To expound, the original broadcast WOULDN'T edit any part of the #1 song. I'm very sure of that.
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