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Post by woolebull on Oct 7, 2013 18:19:08 GMT -5
I just happened to be looking at the chart for October 7, 1989 (BB) and noticed that there was only one debut, Paula Abdul's "(It's Just) The Way That You Love Me".
Am I the only one who thought that happened (one debut) only twice in the history of AT 40 until the chart changes in 1991? I know we have talked ad nauseum about "Teddy Bear" and "Just Like Heaven" doing it, but I can't remember 10/7/89 ever being mentioned. I just noticed it happened September 20, 1980 as well so that makes four. Are there any other times?
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Post by 80sat40fan on Oct 7, 2013 18:28:46 GMT -5
woolebull... There was only one debut on the 10/19/85 Top 40 chart. "The Power Of Love" by Huey Lewis and the News dropped from #38 to #50 while "Broken Wings" by Mr. Mister entered AT40 at #35. What are the odds that the lone song dropping out of the Top 40 would have spent two weeks at #1, and the song that would replace it in the Top 40... would go on to spend two weeks at #1!
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Post by woolebull on Oct 7, 2013 21:53:13 GMT -5
woolebull... There was only one debut on the 10/19/85 Top 40 chart. "The Power Of Love" by Huey Lewis and the News dropped from #38 to #50 while "Broken Wings" by Mr. Mister entered AT40 at #35. What are the odds that the lone song dropping out of the Top 40 would have spent two weeks at #1, and the song that would replace it in the Top 40... would go on to spend two weeks at #1! Good fact! I forgot about that one as well. I guess I knew about those four (the 1980 one, however, really was out of my mind) but I don't think I had heard anyone mention the 1989 one. For sure, Paula and Huey win the biggest hits out of those five. A solid number one for Huey and a big top three for Paula versus two songs peaking at 40 and another one peaking at 39. |
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Post by mct1 on Oct 8, 2013 7:33:27 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2013 7:54:29 GMT -5
One debut has been common in the last 20 years as have no debuts. Of course if you think CHR is bad, AC was worse!
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Post by woolebull on Oct 8, 2013 11:55:21 GMT -5
Thank you! I hadn't seen the first thread, and I am grateful that the 10/7/89 show didn't make it in the second thread, because I commented in that thread. I'm getting old, but at least my memory is sorta there  |
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Post by matt on Oct 11, 2013 13:33:26 GMT -5
I just happened to be looking at the chart for October 7, 1989 (BB) and noticed that there was only one debut, Paula Abdul's "(It's Just) The Way That You Love Me". Am I the only one who thought that happened (one debut) only twice in the history of AT 40 until the chart changes in 1991? I know we have talked ad nauseum about "Teddy Bear" and "Just Like Heaven" doing it, but I can't remember 10/7/89 ever being mentioned. I just noticed it happened September 20, 1980 as well so that makes four. Are there any other times? You are correct on all of those. Those three instances you mention (other than "Teddy Bear") plus 10/19/85 are the four times it happened in the 80's (unless there was another show between 8/13/88 and the end of '89 that I am unaware of). Another week that it happened during Casey's initial run was on 5/20/78 - Linda Ronstadt's version of "Tumbling Dice" was the lone debut that week (Parliament's "Flash Light" was the lone dropper). |
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Post by mct1 on Oct 11, 2013 21:57:19 GMT -5
The second thread that I linked to above contains the following comment: If you think about it, it's probably somewhat bizarre that in the 940 some odd weeks from 1970 to 1988, there was not a single week in which there were zero debuts...seems like it should've happened once or twice. I'm with you on that. Especially those late '82/ 'early '83 charts where the biggest droppers (albeit within the Top 40) were one notch. It occurs to me that, had it not been for Billboard's practice of having a "frozen week" for many years around the time of the calendar year changeover, it is very likely that either 1/2/88 or 1/9/88 would have legitimately had no debuts (one of the two weeks, not both). 1/2/88 was a frozen week, and 1/9/88 had only one debut -- "Just Like Heaven" by The Cure. Looking at the songs in the Top 50 (but not in the Top 40) for those weeks on UMD, there is nothing that looks like a good candidate to have snuck into the Top 40 for one week on 1/2/88 had it not been frozen. The only song in the Top 50 either week that never made the Top 40 was "I Can't Help It" by Bananarama. It moved up from 53 to 48 on 12/26/87, was frozen at 48 on 1/2/88, moved up to 47 on 1/9/88, then dropped to 50 on 1/6/88. Given how songs behaved on the charts in those days, I think it is unlikely that this song would have jumped up from 48 to a position in Top 40 on 1/2/88, then dropped back to 47 on 1/9/88 and 50 on 1/16/88. "Just Like Heaven" moved from 46 to 41 on 12/26/87, was frozen at 41 on 1/2/88, moved up to 40 on 1/9/88, then dropped to 42 on 1/16/88. Had 1/2/88 not been frozen, "Just Like Heaven" would have likely either held at 41 on 1/2/88 (leaving 1/2/88 with no debuts), then entered the Top 40 for one week on 1/9/88; or entered the Top 40 on 1/2/88, then remained in the Top 40 for a second week on 1/9/88 (leaving 1/9/88 with no debuts). |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 11, 2013 23:34:32 GMT -5
The second thread that I linked to above contains the following comment: I'm with you on that. Especially those late '82/ 'early '83 charts where the biggest droppers (albeit within the Top 40) were one notch. It occurs to me that, had it not been for Billboard's practice of having a "frozen week" for many years around the time of the calendar year changeover, it is very likely that either 1/2/88 or 1/9/88 would have legitimately had no debuts (one of the two weeks, not both). 1/2/88 was a frozen week, and 1/9/88 had only one debut -- "Just Like Heaven" by The Cure. Looking at the songs in the Top 50 (but not in the Top 40) for those weeks on UMD, there is nothing that looks like a good candidate to have snuck into the Top 40 for one week on 1/2/88 had it not been frozen. The only song in the Top 50 either week that never made the Top 40 was "I Can't Help It" by Bananarama. It moved up from 53 to 48 on 12/26/87, was frozen at 48 on 1/2/88, moved up to 47 on 1/9/88, then dropped to 50 on 1/6/88. Given how songs behaved on the charts in those days, I think it is unlikely that this song would have jumped up from 48 to a position in Top 40 on 1/2/88, then dropped back to 47 on 1/9/88 and 50 on 1/16/88. "Just Like Heaven" moved from 46 to 41 on 12/26/87, was frozen at 41 on 1/2/88, moved up to 40 on 1/9/88, then dropped to 42 on 1/16/88. Had 1/2/88 not been frozen, "Just Like Heaven" would have likely either held at 41 on 1/2/88 (leaving 1/2/88 with no debuts), then entered the Top 40 for one week on 1/9/88; or entered the Top 40 on 1/2/88, then remained in the Top 40 for a second week on 1/9/88 (leaving 1/9/88 with no debuts). It's an interesting theory. I'll look at it from the other direction as it allows me to look at a favorite song of mine ("Motortown"). On the 12/26 show, it looks like three songs could have been gone if there was a 1/2/88 show: "Motortown" at 37, "Should've Known Better" at 29 and "We'll Be Together" at 28. I include the last two because they had dropped crazy fast the two weeks before (WBT dropped from 8 to 10 to 28, SKB really hit the skids going from 3 to 12 to 29). From 41 to 50 you only had three songs with bullets: "I Found Someone" which was up from 51 to 44, "Can't Stay Away From You": 52 to 45, and "Pump Up The Volume" a fairly impressive 59 to 46 jump. Because of the time of the year, and reports probably not being what they should have been, "Should've Known Better" and "We'll Be Together" slowed the free falling down as they stayed on the 40 through 1-9-88. Which leaves "Motortown" as the only viable song to drop out, if there had been a Hot 100 on 1-2-88. "Motortown" had dropped from 36 to 37 on 12-26-87. Something was funny with the charts around that time. "True Faith" is a prime example of the weirdness going from 32 to 38 to 34 on the 1-16 chart. That might have happened in the 70's, but that kind of yo-yo never happened in the eighties, up to that point (with the exception of a few number ones sliding down to two or three). In fact, with the exception of a very few songs, ("Another One Bites The Dust", "Rumors") and the four number ones that did it (all before February 1983) once you started going down, you kept on going down. "Motortown" had jumped on the 12-19 chart at 36, and had only dropped one notch on the 12-26 chart. On the 1-9 chart it had slipped only to 43. So with the stagnation and the uniqueness of movement of songs in the 30-41 range around that time, I wouldn't have been surprised to see "Motortown" stay at 37 or even pop up another notch if there had been a chart on 1-2-88. Looking at the songs between "Motortown" and "Just Like Heaven",however, I think Motortown would have had to have dropped at least a couple of notches. With "Just Like Heaven" not having a bullet at 41 on 12-26, I think that it probably stays at 41 on 1-2-88 with "Motortown" dropping, IMO to 39 or 40. So long story short, I agree with you. I don't think "Motortown" would have dropped out on 1-2, which would have made the 1-2-88 show a show with no debuts. Of course, there was no 1-2-88 show so all of this is speculation...thank you for you insight. It was fun to have "Motortown" going around in my head as I typed this  |
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