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Post by woolebull on Apr 3, 2013 21:10:22 GMT -5
I was just looking over the list of the number of stations that are carrying AT 40 as we speak, and I randomly picked the state of West Virginia to see how many stations in a small state with little "major market" access (save some parts that are tied to the Pittsburgh metro area) carry AT 40. In West Virginia, 8 stations carry AT 40. Not sure which versions, but that shows me that the show must be doing something right. We're talking 9 years after Casey left. If every state averaged 8 stations a state, you're looking at 400 stations carrying the show. That's pretty darn amazing in this day and age. Casey is the man, no doubt. I liked Shadoe, but a combination of things almost buried the show forever. Casey resurrected it, and it looks like the show is healthier than it has been in a long time thanks to Ryan and all of those who make the show. Is it a show I listen to anymore? Not that much. Would I be listening to it if Casey was doing it? Not that much. The people at AT 40 know what they are doing. And for us relics, we have the past shows
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2013 21:43:32 GMT -5
Honestly it wasn't the small and mid sized markets, it was the large ones. But from day 1 of the new AT40 it was on KIIS in LA...day 1!!! AT40 under Casey wasn't. AT40 was moved out of its "lucrative" Monday morning 1am-5am airing on Z-100 in New York City and swapped with Dees for the last year he was on there. It moved to Sundays at 8am where it still is today. So think about that, they picked up the #2 market in the USA and got a much better time slot in the #1 market. Further proof the decision was the right one. Yes there were many pd's who felt Dees's show better reflected their station demo when Casey was on which is hard to believe 9 years later. However, it's true.
If the old AT40 intro is accurate, AT40 is on over 500 radio stations worldwide.
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Post by woolebull on Apr 3, 2013 21:57:04 GMT -5
To be on 500 radio stations worldwide, and not be a talk show, in this day and age is amazing. The KIIS this was a major deal.
I was just going through the list of top radio markets in America, and almost every one carries AT 40.
According to wiki, Dees now is 200 or so worldwide. I don't even know if his show is still carried on stations in the US...I haven't heard it in ages and I can't find a listing of stations either.
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Post by adam31 on Apr 3, 2013 22:07:03 GMT -5
No we can't agree on that. I don't think it's on a decline. On the contrary, listenership is up over what it was under Casey Kasem in his last years. And no it's not just another radio show among hundreds because while I may not know them all theres not a huge lot of CHR shows. HAC there might be a few more. But none of them have the name recognition AT40 does and look at the number of affiliates. Casey Kasem's version certainly didn't have this many. Nor does Dees. Are they trying to make it sound like a typical daypart on the radio stations? Yes they are. But that's what radio stations want. It's different and geared for this generation. Again, do I like it? Not much. I also don't like reality TV but it's popularity is certainly not on any decline. Like it or not, the show is as healthy as ever. I hope you're right that it's not on the decline. However according to Rob Durkee's book, on Aug 13, 1988 Shadoe's first first American Top 40 show aired on 1,014 stations. Much less than the 500 you say air it now. That's a decline by over 50%. When Shadoe's AT40 was cancelled in 1995, it still aired on 240+ US Stations alone. Oh, and KIIS is Ryan Seacrest's flagship station, so no wonder they air it. When Casey was on AT40, guess who was hosting KIIS's morning show - Rick Dees - that is why they didn't air it then. Ryan Seacrest took over the KIIS morning show in 2004.
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Post by woolebull on Apr 3, 2013 22:36:57 GMT -5
When AT 40 was cancelled in 1995, the number of US stations that carried the show would have been 0.
And if you go to the next page in Durkee's book from the stat that you used about the 1014 shows, it seems that the number of stations that were on board during that time fluctuates from 1014 on page 189 to 500-600 on page 190 to 475 in the exact same paragraph. While those are vastly different numbers, according to Billboard Magazine, April 9, 1988 (4 months before Shadoe), it was heard on 475 stations in the United States (Battistini, "American Top 40 With Casey Kasem, The 80's).
Plus, even at the end under Casey in 1988, the show wasn't heard in one of the top ten markets. Modern AT 40 has that covered.
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Post by mkarns on Apr 3, 2013 23:02:07 GMT -5
In the same book, on page 157, it says that in the early 1980s, AT40 with Casey was heard on 520 radio stations, a record at the time; the current count for Ryan's version is about the same. Considering the further fragmentation and changes in radio over the last 30 years, that's a pretty impressive achievement regardless of your opinion of the current version.
The 1,014 count for summer 1988 must be a mistake, or not explained clearly; on the next page it says that AT40 lost about 100-125 stations over the next few months, which was said to be about a fifth of the total. (Many of them probably picked up Casey's Top 40 in 1989 when that became an option.) If AT40 had nearly doubled its affiliate count from about 1981-88 (during which time Rick Dees debuted and became a popular alternate option), then Watermark would probably have given Casey whatever he asked for when his contract was up to keep him from going to Westwood One or elsewhere.
The NY scheduling reminds me of the Casey outtake: "Listen to the countdown every Sunday morning at two....TWO?!"
Though here in the DC market, another top 10 or close to it, we didn't get AT40 with Casey from 1998-2003 even in the wee hours, in part due to a clause in Casey's contract limiting the number of stations on which he could appear, as his AC shows were broadcast here (we got AT20 and AT10 locally until he hung them up in summer 2009.) As soon as Ryan took over AT40 rejoined the nation's capital on Hot 99.5 (WIHT), which now double-pumps it each weekend, airing at 6 AM on Saturdays and 8 AM Sundays.
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Post by adam31 on Apr 3, 2013 23:17:58 GMT -5
When AT 40 was cancelled in 1995, the number of US stations that carried the show would have been 0. And if you go to the next page in Durkee's book from the stat that you used about the 1014 shows, it seems that the number of stations that were on board during that time fluctuates from 1014 on page 189 to 500-600 on page 190 to 475 in the exact same paragraph. While those are vastly different numbers, according to Billboard Magazine, April 9, 1988 (4 months before Shadoe), it was heard on 475 stations in the United States (Battistini, "American Top 40 With Casey Kasem, The 80's). Plus, even at the end under Casey in 1988, the show wasn't heard in one of the top ten markets. Modern AT 40 has that covered. Hey I'm just passing on what the book said about 1,014 stations. There's probably a line in the affiliate contract now that says you have to clear this show 6a-Midnight. Most syndicated shows require it now for the national advertisers. There were also at least three countdown shows on at that time, now AT40 has pretty much a monopoly here in the USA, other than Rick Dees. That for any other reason, means it would probably survive. At least no one argued with my KIIS statement
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Post by woolebull on Apr 3, 2013 23:56:59 GMT -5
When AT 40 was cancelled in 1995, the number of US stations that carried the show would have been 0. And if you go to the next page in Durkee's book from the stat that you used about the 1014 shows, it seems that the number of stations that were on board during that time fluctuates from 1014 on page 189 to 500-600 on page 190 to 475 in the exact same paragraph. While those are vastly different numbers, according to Billboard Magazine, April 9, 1988 (4 months before Shadoe), it was heard on 475 stations in the United States (Battistini, "American Top 40 With Casey Kasem, The 80's). Plus, even at the end under Casey in 1988, the show wasn't heard in one of the top ten markets. Modern AT 40 has that covered. Hey I'm just passing on what the book said about 1,014 stations. There's probably a line in the affiliate contract now that says you have to clear this show 6a-Midnight. Most syndicated shows require it now for the national advertisers. There were also at least three countdown shows on at that time, now AT40 has pretty much a monopoly here in the USA, other than Rick Dees. That for any other reason, means it would probably survive. At least no one argued with my KIIS statement It's not so much arguing. But it should be pointed out that a) AT 40 had probably around 475 stations at the end of Casey's first AT run and b) AT 40 was not heard in the United States for the last six months of its original run. The last time it was heard in the United States was July 9, 1994. AT 40 isn't on a decline. It was on a decline when you couldn't hear it in the United States, even when it was aired in other parts of the world. Now, there are at least 500 stations playing it with the vast majority in the United States. While you can argue that the number isn't as strong as it was going up against other competition, I think in this fragmented world of specific music genre stations/news talk/and satellite stations, to be on 500 terrestrial stations (in all major American markets) is a sign of show health.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 6:11:23 GMT -5
At least no one argued with my KIIS statement That's because I went to sleep after the Rays game and the Rays post game show. If you noticed when I posted what I did about KIIS originally I said DAY ONE of AT40. I put that there for a reason which was to head off the "Seacrest works there" response. Seacrest was NOT hosting the morning show then. Dees was. Dees's last day was 2/10/04 and it was only the day before he was notified he was no longer going to be on the air. And I can't remember exactly but it was another 2-3 weeks after that I believe before Ryan was announced and came aboard. Though admittedly, that part I could be mistaken on. Meanwhile KIIS's webpage schedule was promoting AT40 w/Ryan Seacrest coming on there in December once it was announced he was taking over. IIRC, I think I also saw a promotional print ad where they were listed...again, in December. It has nothing to do with where he worked at the time. He was at Star something FM doing the afternoon drive show in the area at this time. Also, none of this explains NYC either. Now to the station count, if that 1000+ number is correct, others have already stated that would be impossible now due to fragmentation. Being on over 500 stations now is a sign of health, not decline. BTW, KIIS didn't air AT40 because KBIG was airing AT20 AND he didn't fit what they wanted demographically AND they weren't forced to like many stations were. And to my understanding there has for many years been a clearance time on these shows given. But when you are forcing a major market (like NYC) to carry a show they don't want, you will be satisfied they are carrying it at 1am so you can say "hey, see we are on in New York City!" Plus, NYC at 1am is probably as hopping as half the country is at 4pm anyway.
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Post by statenislandfan on Apr 4, 2013 6:32:31 GMT -5
When AT40 came back to NYC and Z100 it was in April of 1999 a year after the show returned. It aired on Saturday mornings at 5 am. Then spent a few years on early sunday mornings. Then was shipped to the graveyard shift Monday mornings from 1:30am to 5:30am. The show was followed by Greg T starting the Z Morning Zoo at 5:30am. BTW Casey's Top 40 ended on Z100 in November of 1994 due to the station changing into an Alternative Rock format (Northwest Invasion) even though the top hits were still played.
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Apr 4, 2013 8:05:30 GMT -5
AT40 had an ad in Billboard magazine in early '89 that said "1,019 Stations and Still Growing!". It also said "American Top 40 is now heard on more stations across the world than at any time in its 18 year history". I have a copy of that ad in my collection. A not-so-awesome copy of it is on my website: www.at40fan.info/at40/images/ad_89_1.jpg
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 8:39:28 GMT -5
I'm not doubting the number. But fragmentation of the CHR makes this type of number next to impossible now. Plus, and I might be wrong but in listening to the 70s and early 80s AT40 shows I hear Casey say stations in Clearwater, Lakeland, and I've even heard other smaller cities in Florida I'm familiar with. These areas are being served by radio stations now with much larger footprints, in the case here I know Clearwater gets 93.3 and I'm pretty sure Lakeland does too. Lakeland might even get XL 106.7 out of Orlando too for that matter. My point to this is were there far more stations in areas able to play said show then that now are just gone and larger areas being served by the ones left, usually in the major market of the area.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 8:45:59 GMT -5
To be on 500 radio stations worldwide, and not be a talk show, in this day and age is amazing. The KIIS this was a major deal. I was just going through the list of top radio markets in America, and almost every one carries AT 40. According to wiki, Dees now is 200 or so worldwide. I don't even know if his show is still carried on stations in the US...I haven't heard it in ages and I can't find a listing of stations either. Ok, I just reread this. Yes, Dees is still on US stations. You have to look a little harder to find it (well, you don't ) but it's there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2013 8:47:56 GMT -5
When Shadoe's AT40 was cancelled in 1995, it still aired on 240+ US Stations alone. No it wasn't. It's US distribution ceased in 1994. It was on internationally only from July 1994-January 1995.
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Post by woolebull on Apr 4, 2013 8:54:44 GMT -5
AT40 had an ad in Billboard magazine in early '89 that said "1,019 Stations and Still Growing!". It also said "American Top 40 is now heard on more stations across the world than at any time in its 18 year history". I have a copy of that ad in my collection. A not-so-awesome copy of it is on my website: www.at40fan.info/at40/images/ad_89_1.jpgThat's a great ad! It's funny that in 1988 Billboard reported 475 and in 1989 they reported 1,019. It must be a "nationwide" vs. "worldwide" thing. For example, on July 1, 1985 it was reported in "Broadcasting" magazine that AT 40 had affiliates of "nearly 1,100 stations worldwide (650 commercial stations in the US and 35 foreign countries and about 400 outlets of Armed Forces Radio)". (Info again from Pete's book, "American Top 40 with Casey Kasem...the 1980's) Not that there is anything wrong with that, but for the argument of American success, it should be noted the highest US number I have seen is 650 in 1984 and 1985. It dropped to 500 in 1986 and to 475 when Casey left in 1988. And of course, it dropped to 0 in the United States by 1994. Casey brought it back strong, and Ryan has not only kept it there, he has continued to keep it going strong.
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