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Post by Mike on Apr 23, 2012 13:33:06 GMT -5
I was listening to this show the other day, and I got to wondering...does anyone know per chance what the source of this chart is, i.e. did they compile it in-house or did they use Billboard's year-end Top 40 Mainstream chart?
Shadoe neither mentions it nor even seems to hint at which it is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 13:39:32 GMT -5
I want to say all latter years from about 1990 on were all in house computations.I think that's what Rob says in the book or said that in a chat or something.
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Post by Mike on Apr 23, 2012 14:10:43 GMT -5
I want to say all latter years from about 1990 on were all in house computations.I think that's what Rob says in the book or said that in a chat or something. I was looking through charts from late '92 and '93, and the one reason I think this is not the case, or at least there's something missing from the picture...well, two reasons actually: 1. R.E.M.'s "Drive". On AT40 itself, it spent 8 weeks in the countdown (6 if you don't count the two weeks taken for the 1992 year-end shows) and peaked at #30. Tell me how a song that does that can make the Top 100 (It's #95).  2. Snap!'s "Rhythm is a Dancer". It appears on both the 1992 and 1993 year-end surveys. Yeah, it did spend 34 weeks in the countdown, but prior to 1995, when has a song ever appeared on back-to-back year-end surveys when both surveys are compiled the same way? I don't suppose anyone happens to know what Billboard's own year-end Top 40 Mainstream chart was for '93? I have to think they compiled one since they compile year-ends for the subordinate charts... |
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Post by frente on Apr 23, 2012 14:28:23 GMT -5
2. Snap!'s "Rhythm is a Dancer". It appears on both the 1992 and 1993 year-end surveys. Yeah, it did spend 34 weeks in the countdown, but prior to 1995, when has a song ever appeared on back-to-back year-end surveys when both surveys are compiled the same way? Doesn't Good enough by Bobby Brown appear too in both 1992 and 1993 year-end surveys? |
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Post by Mike on Apr 23, 2012 14:31:25 GMT -5
Doesn't Good enough by Bobby Brown appear too in both 1992 and 1993 year-end surveys? So it does. Missed that one! |
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Apr 23, 2012 17:22:32 GMT -5
The Mainstream Top 40 charts in 1993 had LOTS of songs that stayed around for many MANY weeks and, as a result, there probably weren't that many songs eligible for the year end show. That's probably why low charting songs could make the Year End chart.
If you think that's something, in 1995, Casey's Top 40 had one song on its year end chart that didn't even make any of the weekly CT40 charts. I don't remember the title but it was a song by Fun Factory that stayed just below the top 40 for a few weeks. By that time, however, Radio and Records compiled its year end shows based on the number of spins the record received on radio and not necessarily on chart performance.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Apr 23, 2012 18:28:25 GMT -5
I don't remember the title but it was a song by Fun Factory that stayed just below the top 40 for a few weeks. Was that song in question "I'm Gonna Love You"? That is the only song by Fun Factory I can think of, and I think it made it to CT40 around September 1995. |
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Post by frente on Apr 23, 2012 18:36:21 GMT -5
I don't remember the title but it was a song by Fun Factory that stayed just below the top 40 for a few weeks. Was that song in question "I'm Gonna Love You"? That is the only song by Fun Factory I can think of, and I think it made it to CT40 around September 1995. Wasn't I wanna B with U? That was their biggest hit and made the Rick Dees Top 40. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2012 19:11:14 GMT -5
Yes and it was also on ct40
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Post by mstgator on Apr 23, 2012 19:58:15 GMT -5
The Fun Factory song that missed the Top 40 but made the yearend Top 100 was "Close To You".
Regarding AT40, I'm pretty certain they compiled their own yearend chart for 1993. (It's also worth noting that the number of positions on Billboard's year-end charts usually matched the number of positions on their weekly charts... for example, a Top 40 weekly chart would be represented by a 40-position yearend chart. So even if AT40 did use Billboard's year-end rankings, it would've featured 60 additional songs beyond what was published.)
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Apr 24, 2012 0:49:12 GMT -5
2. Snap!'s "Rhythm is a Dancer". It appears on both the 1992 and 1993 year-end surveys. Yeah, it did spend 34 weeks in the countdown, but prior to 1995, when has a song ever appeared on back-to-back year-end surveys when both surveys are compiled the same way? In Billboard, it happened regularly in the '50s. |
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Post by Mike on Apr 24, 2012 12:38:49 GMT -5
Regarding AT40, I'm pretty certain they compiled their own yearend chart for 1993. (It's also worth noting that the number of positions on Billboard's year-end charts usually matched the number of positions on their weekly charts... for example, a Top 40 weekly chart would be represented by a 40-position yearend chart. So even if AT40 did use Billboard's year-end rankings, it would've featured 60 additional songs beyond what was published.) Really? Well, there goes that theory then. Though, I guess that could make me wonder about their 1994 survey (though given the state of the show at that point, I could see a reason not to bother with a full Top 100). The Mainstream Top 40 charts in 1993 had LOTS of songs that stayed around for many MANY weeks and, as a result, there probably weren't that many songs eligible for the year end show. That's probably why low charting songs could make the Year End chart. En Vogue's "Runaway Love". Def Leppard's "Stand Up, Kick Love Into Motion". Heck, even P.M. Dawn's "The Ways of the Wind". These three all peaked higher than "Drive" on AT40 (#19, #22, #21, respectively), and all also spent 8 weeks in the countdown. And yet they all missed the Top 100. Given these results, I could see it if they substituted the actual Top 40 Mainstream charts for weeks at the end of 1992 (assuming a December-to-December survey period, right?), rather than using their own Hot 100 Airplay-sourced countdowns from those weeks. Something like that could be the "something missing from the picture" that I referred to above, particularly if a song like "Drive" did much better on that chart (which I suspect it likely did). |
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Post by vince on Apr 24, 2012 23:06:05 GMT -5
2. Snap!'s "Rhythm is a Dancer". It appears on both the 1992 and 1993 year-end surveys. Yeah, it did spend 34 weeks in the countdown, but prior to 1995, when has a song ever appeared on back-to-back year-end surveys when both surveys are compiled the same way? In Billboard, it happened regularly in the '50s. It also happened in the late 70s and early 80s on Billboard's year end survey. "I Love The Nightlife", 1978: #88, 1979: #64 "Rise", 1979: #80, 1980: #54 "Arthur's Theme", 1981: #64, 1982: #98 "Gloria", 1982: #75, 1983: #56 I am not including anything from 1985 when AT40 switched from using their own survey in 1984 to BB's in 1985. Those 7 or so songs were not on BB's 1984 survey. According to Rob's book, 1990 to 1994 AT40 compiled their own year end chart, I assume using what ever chart they were using at the time. |
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Apr 25, 2012 15:26:06 GMT -5
I went back and did some research and found that Drive peaked at #23 on Dec 26, 1992's Mainstream Top 40, so they must've used those chart instead of Radio Airplay for late 1992.
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Post by Mike on Apr 25, 2012 15:37:10 GMT -5
I went back and did some research and found that Drive peaked at #23 on Dec 26, 1992's Mainstream Top 40, so they must've used those chart instead of Radio Airplay for late 1992. That would do it...both "Fields of Gold" and "Reason to Believe" are down there in the 90s along with "Drive", and both those peaked at #24. |
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