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Post by hothitzdj on Apr 20, 2012 21:33:23 GMT -5
As a 46-year-old man, I'm not concerned with disliking the younger generation's music so much as not understanding it. If nothing else, though, I've (so far) managed to avoid the "How can they listen to that crap?" mentality. However, it is entirely on THEM when even if you don't like something you ridicule it, look down upon it, scoff at it, and think we were idiots for ever thinking it was cool and still liking it. Yes, this works both ways. Yes, I scoff at my parents music. How could anyone dance to polka music or even go to a ballroom and dance to an orchestra. I have no desire to learn it or like it. It's just painful to hear. I'm very glad that polka bands are no longer the number choice for wedding receptions and parties. Boy, did I dislike the music played at weddings/anniversary party as a kid. It's not "real music" and why my dad likes it makes no sense. I would run for the hills every time my Mom thought it was time to play a Jim Neighbors record or pull out Slim Whitman. This was cruel punishment to your child to hear this music. My folks don't like Elvis or Beatles or the sound of the electric guitar. It drives them nuts that's not music to them. The real point is each generation wants things to be different than the last one. It's really hard to find common ground between the generations. Someone coined this as the "generation gap". Dick Clark was someone that actually helped bridge the gap between the 50's and today's music.
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Apr 20, 2012 22:02:15 GMT -5
As long as we're on the subject of generational intolerance of music, here's a timeline that I put together a while back. I don't claim that it's complete, but I think it gets the point across pretty well:
1920s: "Jazz music is corrupting the morals of our youth!"
1930s & '40s: "Swing music is corrupting the morals of our youth!"
1950s: "Rock and roll music is corrupting the morals of our youth!"
1960s: "If the kids don't stop listening to that loud rock music, an entire generation of Americans will someday be deaf!" (Even the medical community jumped on that bandwagon.)
1970s: "Punk rock is corrupting the morals of our youth!" And let us not forget, "Disco sucks!"
1980s: Prince's "Purple Rain" album so shocks poor Tipper Gore, that she starts the pro-censorship Parents Music Resource Center. Mrs. Gore claims, "The normal sex and sensuality of rock 'n' roll is not my beef." Of course, she means her own idea of "normal."
1990s: Ice-T's "Cop Killer" incurs the wrath of law enforcement, the church, the Bush White House, and pretty much every American whose definition of "garbage" is "any piece of music written after 1962." (Interestingly, Ice-T later starred in "Law & Order: Special Victims Unit" as, um, a cop.)
2000s-present: "Rap is not music."
Every generation it's the same old crap, only with fresh new faces.
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Post by reachinforthestars on Apr 20, 2012 23:21:56 GMT -5
As I stated before, your generation gap and intolerance argument doesn't work in my case. I was a teenager when I first heard rap and I didn't think it was music. It's talking. Like a spoken word record. Similar to "The Americans (A Canadian's Opinion)". That's not music to me either. So when I say it's not music, there are no generational or negative undertones involved. It's just that I don't consider it music. Plain and simple. End of story and drama.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Apr 20, 2012 23:42:30 GMT -5
reachinforthestars, you need to reread your original statement; it was full of negative undertones. You're implying hip hop (or any spoken word record for that matter) is considered "inferior" to what you call "real music," and should be treated as such. That's beyond personal dislike; that's absolute hatred!
If Dick Clark had taken that same attitude with American Bandstand, nobody under age 30 would ever watch his show.
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Post by reachinforthestars on Apr 21, 2012 0:36:15 GMT -5
Actually, you are introducing the negative overtone with everything you are implying (not what I implied). I said rap is not music because people usually place it in that category. But that is not music to me based on my definition. So how else could I share that fact without offending someone? It seems you are immediately offended by someone who doesn't think rap is music, but you have no reason to be. That's just my definition and I stated the reasons why when I saw people were trying to twist that into some false judgment I was making about it being inferior. But I don't place the two in the same category for comparison purposes. They are two different things to me. One is music and one is spoken word. That's why the generation and intolerant explanations don't apply here. I truly like all music, past and present. It's just my definition of music doesn't include spoken word recordings. Hopefully that helps clarify it better.
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Post by hothitzdj on Apr 21, 2012 9:23:57 GMT -5
When you compare Kasem & Clark, you really see a difference on long they played the hits of the day on radio. In fact, Clark had a relatively short time as a countdown host in the CHR/Pop format (May 30, 1981 - June 28, 1986). The weekend of July 4, 1986 marked the first weekend that Clark did not play the Top 30 or 40 Pop songs of the week while Kasem would go on to the first weekend of 2004.
However, Clark had an amazing 20 year career as an AC countdown host (1984-2004) outlasting Kasem in this format. Kasem lasted as an AC host from May 2, 1992 until July 4th weekend 2009. For most part, because of Clark embracing the AC/Oldies radio format, he did not play rap songs on the radio while Kasem did into his 70's.
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Post by hothitzdj on Apr 21, 2012 10:17:18 GMT -5
Actually, you are introducing the negative overtone with everything you are implying (not what I implied). I said rap is not music because people usually place it in that category. But that is not music to me based on my definition. So how else could I share that fact without offending someone? It seems you are immediately offended by someone who doesn't think rap is music, but you have no reason to be. That's just my definition and I stated the reasons why when I saw people were trying to twist that into some false judgment I was making about it being inferior. But I don't place the two in the same category for comparison purposes. They are two different things to me. One is music and one is spoken word. That's why the generation and intolerant explanations don't apply here. I truly like all music, past and present. It's just my definition of music doesn't include spoken word recordings. Hopefully that helps clarify it better. Not to beat this into the ground, however, I do want to ask. How much spoken word makes the song not music? Is Jimmy Dean's "Big Bad John" or I.O.U. music? How about Ernie Ford's "16 tons"? Alan Jackson's "I'll Go On Loving You"? Johnny Cash's "A Boy Named Sue"? Toby Keith's "I Wanna Talk About Me"? Country music has used the spoken word throughout the decades. Then, we have some classic rockers using the spoken word like "Hold On Hold Out" Jackson Browne, Meat Loaf's "Paradise By The Dashboard Light" & "You Took The Words Right Out Of My Mouth". "We Built This City" by Starship? Also, Bob Seger even used the spoken word in his songs. Then, there even these 80's songs like "19" by Paul Hardcastle, "The Rain" by Oran "Juice" Jones and "Human" by the Human League. Susan of the Human League when questioned about the song said "I'm English and I don't rap." However, she do use spoken word. We also have the two Falco hits "Rock Me Amadeus" & "Calling Vienna". Then, is rapper LL Cool J's "I Need Love" music but not his "I'm That Type of Guy"? Is rapper Lil Wayne's 2011 "How To Love" music as he sings in the song? Is there a clear definition of what is music and what is not? These examples a period of time from 1957 to 2011, so there's no generation gaps to consider.
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Post by 80sfan on Apr 21, 2012 21:50:00 GMT -5
I haven't visited this board for a few days and haven't kept up with the news, so I didn't learn about Dick Clark's passing until today. Sorry to see him go. I remember he was on TV a lot in the 80's. The last time I saw him on New Year's eve on TV, he didn't look like the same man. The stroke really took a toll on him.
Casey is getting up on ages too, so it would be really sad say when his time comes. It's good that he is immortalized in his American Top 40 recordings.
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Apr 22, 2012 8:03:57 GMT -5
I haven't visited this board for a few days and haven't kept up with the news, so I didn't learn about Dick Clark's passing until today. Sorry to see him go. I remember he was on TV a lot in the 80's. The last time I saw him on New Year's eve on TV, he didn't look like the same man. The stroke really took a toll on him. Casey is getting up on ages too, so it would be really sad say when his time comes. It's good that he is immortalized in his American Top 40 recordings. Casey turns 80 this week.
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Post by atfanmpls on Apr 22, 2012 23:28:13 GMT -5
My point was that Dick Clark and Casey are incredible icons... Sorry "Alan Freed fans".
I listened to BME's Year End 2001 today, ALL DAY. What a F Show! At least 1/2 of the songs were so forgettable. It must have been so sad/gagging for Casey and Dick to hear that crap after all the years of real music.
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