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Post by albe on Apr 20, 2012 16:58:15 GMT -5
American Bandstand and Soul Train were generation changing shows and Dick Clark and Don Cornelius certainly pioneered the appeal that POP and SOUL music and the artists of the genres has had on the great music we grew up listening to and cherish. RIP to two legends.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Apr 20, 2012 17:27:08 GMT -5
The current generation of CHR listeners seems to have almost no interest in anything per-2000 at the latest and think anything older than that sucks. And us older folks, well we know what we think by and large of the newer stuff. Sorry for the rant, it just seemed to really fit in this discussion. I enjoyed your rant, and find it all very true. I work with a large amount of people 19-25 and share nothing with them as they are uninterested, just as I am totally uninterested in what they like. This is what I find dangerous about the current state of America, and I have to place the blame squarely on the older generation. When it comes to music, I have never seen more bridges burned since the 1950s at the dawn of rock 'n' roll. When the older generation disses an entire later generation of pop culture, there is no reason for the young to learn or respect what the elders know and love. Dick Clark always showed interest in what was turning young people on, henceforth his moniker, "the world's oldest teenager."
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Post by caseyfan100 on Apr 20, 2012 17:56:59 GMT -5
In one story I saw on Dick Clark's death,one thing stood out when he was quoted as saying the older generation doesn't like what music the younger generation is listening to and that it would never change.
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Apr 20, 2012 19:02:57 GMT -5
In one story I saw on Dick Clark's death,one thing stood out when he was quoted as saying the older generation doesn't like what music the younger generation is listening to and that it would never change. As a 46-year-old man, I'm not concerned with disliking the younger generation's music so much as not understanding it. If nothing else, though, I've (so far) managed to avoid the "How can they listen to that crap?" mentality.
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Apr 20, 2012 19:04:10 GMT -5
Dick Clark is very much in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame! He was inducted in 1993. Oops! That must've gotten by me somehow. I stand corrected. On the other hand, Alan Freed's ashes are interred at the R&H HoF.
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Post by quatermass on Apr 20, 2012 19:51:31 GMT -5
I enjoyed your rant, and find it all very true. I work with a large amount of people 19-25 and share nothing with them as they are uninterested, just as I am totally uninterested in what they like. This is what I find dangerous about the current state of America, and I have to place the blame squarely on the older generation. When it comes to music, I have never seen more bridges burned since the 1950s at the dawn of rock 'n' roll. When the older generation disses an entire later generation of pop culture, there is no reason for the young to learn or respect what the elders know and love. Dick Clark always showed interest in what was turning young people on, henceforth his moniker, "the world's oldest teenager." You sound like so many people I know, looking to blame someone for something. People are always looking for someone or something to blame.
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Post by reachinforthestars on Apr 20, 2012 19:58:21 GMT -5
I enjoyed your rant, and find it all very true. I work with a large amount of people 19-25 and share nothing with them as they are uninterested, just as I am totally uninterested in what they like. This is what I find dangerous about the current state of America, and I have to place the blame squarely on the older generation. When it comes to music, I have never seen more bridges burned since the 1950s at the dawn of rock 'n' roll. When the older generation disses an entire later generation of pop culture, there is no reason for the young to learn or respect what the elders know and love. Dick Clark always showed interest in what was turning young people on, henceforth his moniker, "the world's oldest teenager." I hope I don't fit into the mold of the "intolerant older generation". My stance with music has always been throughout my entire life: As long as it is not played to death (there's variety) and as long as it is not rap (rap is not music), I will listen to it. In fact, I make a point to regularly listen to all songs in the Billboard Hot 100 and British charts. Some notable recent discoveries have been: Black Keys - Gold On The Ceiling Lloyd - Dedication To My Ex Pierces - Kissing You Goodbye Lenny Kravitz - Black And White America and even teenybopper..... Carly Rae Jepsen - Call Me Maybe When I was young I was very interested in hearing what the older generation listened to. In fact, some of my favorite songs came from the 60's, and I didn't discover many of those songs until the 1980's. So I wouldn't blame the older generation for the actions of the youth of today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 20:00:22 GMT -5
In one story I saw on Dick Clark's death,one thing stood out when he was quoted as saying the older generation doesn't like what music the younger generation is listening to and that it would never change. As a 46-year-old man, I'm not concerned with disliking the younger generation's music so much as not understanding it. If nothing else, though, I've (so far) managed to avoid the "How can they listen to that crap?" mentality. True, and I understand why they do the same reason I understand why they have no interest in DJs for the most part. They've grown up in an era of mega corporations owning nearly every single station in the USA and making all of the ones the companies own in that genre in each city sound alike. There is almost no personality to radio that makes it worth listening to. It's either Ryan Seacrest or some other faceless jock who is in many cases voice tracking for several places and just seems to be a placeholder for the next one. It's not the fault of the younger generation they grew up with much tighter playlists and computerized "music." It's understandable they would like it since they are used to it. However, it is entirely on THEM when even if you don't like something you ridicule it, look down upon it, scoff at it, and think we were idiots for ever thinking it was cool and still liking it. Yes, this works both ways.
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Apr 20, 2012 20:03:23 GMT -5
I hope I don't fit into the mold of the "intolerant older generation". My stance with music has always been throughout my entire life: As long as it is not played to death (there's variety) and as long as it is not rap (rap is not music), I will listen to it. I hate to tell you this, but saying "as long as it is not rap (rap is not music)" makes you a member of the "intolerant older generation."
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Post by reachinforthestars on Apr 20, 2012 20:07:33 GMT -5
I hope I don't fit into the mold of the "intolerant older generation". My stance with music has always been throughout my entire life: As long as it is not played to death (there's variety) and as long as it is not rap (rap is not music), I will listen to it. I hate to tell you this, but saying "as long as it is not rap (rap is not music)" makes you a member of the "intolerant older generation." Sorry, but I didn't think rap was music when I was a teenager. So it has nothing to do with age. It has something to do with loving real music.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2012 20:27:45 GMT -5
I would hate for this thread to be shut down and deleted over fighting. No one is blaming others for their problems and no one is intolerant because they don't like a type of music, know they don't like it, and avoid it. He didn't say anyone who listens to it is a fool for doing so and in fact, the response to his not liking rap is the intolerant one quite honestly. Keep it civil please and stop attacking posters and focus on the issues.
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Post by hothitzdj on Apr 20, 2012 20:36:34 GMT -5
Music and trends change certainly Dick Clark knew this. He sought to end the grip of orchestras and "old time music" on TV with his American Bandstand show. Remember how difficult it was to sell the idea of teenagers dancing on TV.
He was so successful Guy Lombardo isn't even remember as the king of New Year's Eve celebrations. Bill Haley may have started the end of crooners & orchestras; however, Dick Clark finished it off in a bow tie.
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Post by hothitzdj on Apr 20, 2012 20:53:50 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that someone that believes rap is the only music that isn't music would ever go to an Opera. For that matter, attend a fair and partake in square dancing or even enjoy a polka band while liking music of the 50's through the 80's.
Certainly, radio gave up on polka music except for very, very small doses on small market AM radio stations only on the weekends.
Square dancing music, is very similar to rap music except the person on the mike is called "a caller" instead of a "rapper". There's a lot of music to dislike.
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Post by blackbowl68 on Apr 20, 2012 21:16:15 GMT -5
I'm sorry, reachinforthestars, but I gotta agree with doomsdaymachine in your stance. It's one thing to say you dislike hip hop, but it's another to say that it's not music. That's exactly how you'll turn the younger generation away from the music you know. Don't burn that bridge!
There was a time when rock-n-roll wasn't considered music, and a time before that when jazz wasn't considered music. So I can imagine the upward battles the late Dick Clark had to face to promote the music of young people. Even better, imagine what Glenn Miller fans thought of the Beatles!
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Post by reachinforthestars on Apr 20, 2012 21:26:15 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that someone that believes rap is not music would ever go to an Opera. For that matter, attend a small fair and partake in square dancing or enjoy a polka band. Certainly, radio gave on these styles except for very, very small doses on small market radio stations. Square dancing music, is very similar to rap music except the person on the mike is called "a caller" instead of a "rapper". I'm not sure I see a correlation between not liking rap and never going to an opera. I have enjoyed Opera. I have enjoyed polka. Square dancing music is generally for square dancing purposes (ie: calling instructions). I don't know anyone who purchases square dancing music to listen to in their car on their way to work, for example. So I am not understanding any of your points. In any case, Paul is correct. Everyone has likes and dislikes. Whether it's a type of music or a song. We see that in the Chart Critiques thread all of the time. The word intolerant doesn't belong in either thread.
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