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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2012 13:05:15 GMT -5
Incidentally, the top debut during the pre-Soundscan era of "American Country Coutndown" (1973-1991) was ... Eddie Rabbitt's " Every Which Way But Loose," which came in at No. 18 back in January 1979, and eventually made its way to No. 1 for three weeks. Ironically, it was the Jersey Boy's longest-run ever at No. 1 on either the Hot Country Singles or Billboard Hot 100, beating out his official biggest hit, " I Love a Rainy Night." Rabbitt's record stood for more than 25 years, until it was tied in November 2005 by Garth Brooks, who debuted at No. 18 with " Good Ride Cowboy." Since then, the record has been surpassed just three times, including the only No. 1 debut on the Hot Country Songs chart's history: • " Once in a Lifetime" by Keith Urban in September 2006. Taking its first bow at a record No. 17, the song eventually stalled in popularity and peaked a month later at No. 6. • " Don't Blink" by Kenny Chesney in September 2007. Debuted at No. 16 and eventually climbed to No. 1. And then, we had " More than a Memory" by Garth Brooks, the ONLY song in the 68-year history of the Hot Country Songs chart to debut at No. 1. This happened on Sept. 15, 2007, only a week after Chesney set the record. The ironic thing is that it did not beget a record-setting run at No. 1 – "More than a Memory" in fact dropped to No. 8 the next week, then slid to No. 10 in a week that it threatened to fall out of the top 10 altogether, only to rebound and eventually get as high as No. 2 in early December before beginning its final descent, finally dropping out of the top 10 the week of Christmas. Because the Hot Country Songs chart is compiled through airplay only, it's unlikely a song will ever again debut at No. 1 on the chart (in fact, no song has ever come close since) ... but never say never. Brian P.S. – Incidentally, "Every Which Way But Loose" was just the second song ever to debut within the top 40 since 1973 (and the use of the 100-position chart, which has since been shortened to 60 songs). The first: Ronnie Milsap and an eventual three-week No. 1, " Only One Love in My Life" from June 1978; Ronnie came in at No. 32. Was American Country Countdown still using BB's country chart when the song debuted at #1? How was it handled by them?
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Post by dukelightning on Apr 10, 2012 14:43:29 GMT -5
"Erotica" was also the #90 song of 1992, possibly the lowest position on a year-end countdown for a #2 song. Not quite. In 1977, "Float On" by the Floaters peaked at #2, but due to its short chart tenure, came in at #91 on the AT40 Top 100. Lowest position on a year end chart for a #2 song yes. But #2 songs have missed the year end top 100 chart entirely. A few examples are "Jazzman" which reached #2 in Nov. 1974 and missed the 74 and 75 YE charts, "Lyin Eyes" which reached #2 in Nov 75 and missed the 75 and 76 YE charts and "The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald" which reached #2 in Nov 76 and missed the 76 and 77 YE charts. Notice a pattern here....lol
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Post by Shadoe Fan on Apr 10, 2012 15:30:03 GMT -5
"Erotica" debuted at 2 on AT40 and 13 on the Hot 100. Now someone else can explain that because the Soundscan era Hot 100 was designed to have the really high debuts instead of the component charts. Was AT40 using a strictly airplay only chart at this time? Yes, AT40 was using the "Hot 100 Airplay" chart. In 1993 AT40 switched to the "Top 40/Mainstream" chart.
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Post by matt on Apr 10, 2012 16:32:51 GMT -5
Yes, "Erotica", a song that many radio stations refused to play, had the highest debut in AT40 history. It debuted at #2 on October 17, 1992, most likely held that spot for one week, and by Halloween it was on the way down. "Erotica" was also the #90 song of 1992, possibly the lowest position on a year-end countdown for a #2 song. In 1991, Madonna's "Rescue Me" was credited for having the highest debut on the Hot 100 in 21 years at that time (debuting at #15 in February or March 1991, I think?). Interestingly enough, it was uncertain if it would enter the top 10 (I predicted a #11 peak position originally). It did - it reached #9, but fell out of the top 10 the very next week. It was also a rare top 10 hit to spend a very small number of weeks in the top 40 - enjoying a short-lived tenure on the top 40 - having spent 6 weeks in total. "Erotic" is another example of how the Hot 100 during the Soundscan era behaves more like the New York Times' best seller list for books. With the NYT BSL, highly anticipated books debut at #1 all the time, since people rush out to the store to buy the book the moment it hits the shelves (Internet sales have further increased that trend due to the ease of buying online or downloading e-books, and music of course is very similar). Similar with movies--with so many people rushing out to see a hot new movie opening weekend. Then after debuting high on the charts, those books and movies gradually slide down the charts once people have bought/seen them. Seems like Internet sales may be the biggest culprit with songs showing that kind of behavior on the charts.
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Post by doomsdaymachine on Apr 10, 2012 21:47:52 GMT -5
In the pre Soundscan era of AT40, Theme From Shaft by Isaac Hayes was the highest debut at #9, followed by Upside Down by Diana Ross, which debuted at #10 in August 1980. However, there were several songs that debuted higher in the 60s and early 1970, before AT40 started. Some of these were Wild Thing by the Troggs (#6 in July 1966), I'm A Believer by the Monkees (#8 in December 1966), Let It Be by the Beatles (debuted on Hot 100 at #6 in March 1970). On the Hot 100 chart before Soundscan, the highest top 40 debut ever was Volare by Domenico Modugno, which debuted at #2 in August 1958. Two Beatles songs are tied for second place, I Want To Hold Your Hand debuted at #3 in January 1964, and Yesterday did likewise in October 1965. According to Casey, Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel" (1956) and Sheb Wooley's "Purple People Eater" (1958) both debuted at #2. Of course, this was in the pre-Hot 100 era, when Billboard published four different weekly singles charts. Casey never told us which survey he was citing.
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Post by vince on Apr 10, 2012 22:58:12 GMT -5
In the pre Soundscan era of AT40, Theme From Shaft by Isaac Hayes was the highest debut at #9, followed by Upside Down by Diana Ross, which debuted at #10 in August 1980. However, there were several songs that debuted higher in the 60s and early 1970, before AT40 started. Some of these were Wild Thing by the Troggs (#6 in July 1966), I'm A Believer by the Monkees (#8 in December 1966), Let It Be by the Beatles (debuted on Hot 100 at #6 in March 1970). On the Hot 100 chart before Soundscan, the highest top 40 debut ever was Volare by Domenico Modugno, which debuted at #2 in August 1958. Two Beatles songs are tied for second place, I Want To Hold Your Hand debuted at #3 in January 1964, and Yesterday did likewise in October 1965. According to Casey, Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel" (1956) and Sheb Wooley's "Purple People Eater" (1958) both debuted at #2. Of course, this was in the pre-Hot 100 era, when Billboard published four different weekly singles charts. Casey never told us which survey he was citing. AT40 was loosely interpreting a debut for "Don't Be Cruel". "Hound Dog" debuted on the Best Sellers In Stores Chart at #9 on chart date 7/25/56 (issue date 8/4/56). The following week the record moved to #2, this time listed as a double sided hit "Hound Dog" / "Don't Be Cruel". Both "Hound Dog" & "Don't Be Cruel" debuted lower on the other pop charts. I am not sure which chart they used for "Purple People Eater"'s debut. On the Best Sellers in Stores and Top 100 Sides it debuted at #7 on chart date 5/24/58 (issue date 6/2/58). It debuted at #10 on the Most Played by Jockeys chart the same week. The Most Played on Jukeboxes chart was discontinued in 1957.
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Post by marv101 on Apr 11, 2012 1:59:42 GMT -5
]'More Than A Memory' was only #1 for three days, but that was enough for that #1 debut @ BB; it peaked at#4 at Country Aircheck/Mediabase, as well as on the countdown shows which utilize that chart, including those hosted by Bob Kingsley, Crook & Chase & Lon Helton.
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Post by dukelightning on Apr 11, 2012 7:40:09 GMT -5
In the pre Soundscan era of AT40, Theme From Shaft by Isaac Hayes was the highest debut at #9, followed by Upside Down by Diana Ross, which debuted at #10 in August 1980. However, there were several songs that debuted higher in the 60s and early 1970, before AT40 started. Some of these were Wild Thing by the Troggs (#6 in July 1966), I'm A Believer by the Monkees (#8 in December 1966), Let It Be by the Beatles (debuted on Hot 100 at #6 in March 1970). On the Hot 100 chart before Soundscan, the highest top 40 debut ever was Volare by Domenico Modugno, which debuted at #2 in August 1958. Two Beatles songs are tied for second place, I Want To Hold Your Hand debuted at #3 in January 1964, and Yesterday did likewise in October 1965. According to Casey, Elvis Presley's "Don't Be Cruel" (1956) and Sheb Wooley's "Purple People Eater" (1958) both debuted at #2. Of course, this was in the pre-Hot 100 era, when Billboard published four different weekly singles charts. Casey never told us which survey he was citing. I have been trying to pin this down since I started listening to these rebroadcasts 2 years ago. But what I can tell you at this point is from AT40s inception until at the least the mid-70s, AT40 used the Best Sellers in Stores chart for all of its chart data as it related to #1 and #2 songs and the Top 100 chart for chart data relating to the top 40(because the BSS chart only had 20-30 positions) and the whole 100. Then they switched to using the Top 100 chart for all chart data although they still had to use the BSS chart for anything prior to Nov. 1955 when the Top 100 chart debuted. As a result, the same question that was asked in say 1972 got a different answer in 1982. And one example would be the highest debuting songs. The same question about what was the highest debut that did not hit #1 was asked in both time frames and the answer is Elvis' "Wear My Ring Around Your Neck". But when they were using the BSS chart, the position was #9 and when they were using the Top 100 chart, the position was #7. BTW, the peaks were different too with it peaking at 2 on BSS and 3 on T100.
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Post by jmorgan on Apr 11, 2012 12:17:41 GMT -5
Paul, to answer your first question, yes, ACC was still using the Billboard chart. They would switch to Mediabase in August of 2009.
As for your second question, it just so happens that Kix was out of town that week performing with his old singing partner Ronnie Dunn on their farewell tour. So, that week was hosted by Suzanne Alexander of GAC. She said that nothing like this has ever happened before, and probably never will again.
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Post by mstgator on Apr 11, 2012 19:11:23 GMT -5
"Erotica" debuted at 2 on AT40 and 13 on the Hot 100. Now someone else can explain that because the Soundscan era Hot 100 was designed to have the really high debuts instead of the component charts. Regarding the #13 Hot 100 debut, "Erotica" would only peak at #4 on the sales chart (and that wasn't during the week it debuted on the Hot 100). You'd have to wait until 1995 for Billboard's chart methodology to be adjusted to allow for a slew of ultra-high Hot 100 debuts.
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Post by lasvegaskid on Apr 19, 2014 19:34:25 GMT -5
I noticed In America debuted at #25. That made it a sure fire #1 right? However, despite the impressive start, CDB would only reach #11. Was there a higher debut in the classic era that was stopped before reaching the top 10?
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Post by dukelightning on Apr 19, 2014 20:12:39 GMT -5
I posted about this previously. It's Olivia's "Something Better to Do" which debuted at 19 and peaked at 13 in 1975.
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Post by jmack19 on Apr 20, 2014 12:07:27 GMT -5
"Erotica" was also the #90 song of 1992, possibly the lowest position on a year-end countdown for a #2 song. In 1971, the #98 song that year was a #2 hit "One Less Bell to Answer" by The 5th Dimension.
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Post by mga707 on Apr 20, 2014 12:10:14 GMT -5
In 1971, the #98 song that year was a #2 hit "One Less Bell to Answer" by The 5th Dimension. Reaching that #2 peak position the last week of 1970 and holding it through the first week of 1971 is the reason. It actually was a massive hit that spent more weeks in both the top 10 and the top 40 than did a number of #1 hits in both years. In my mind, year-end hits always get 'shafted' on year-end countdowns. There's just no way around it.
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Post by Hervard on Apr 20, 2014 12:55:54 GMT -5
^Yeah, but at least, as of 1980, AT40 started crediting a song's entire chart run. It started out with a weird time frame (November 1 of the previous year to November 1 of the current year), but eventually, it became December 1 to December 1. "Float On" was probably the lowest ranked #2 on a year-ender that was not affected by the cutoff date (as the song was gone from the chart entirely the last week in October).
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