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Post by cafy1000 on Jan 8, 2012 14:15:37 GMT -5
Hi,
I know this topic has been discussed on other boards, but did anyone ever find out why WHTZ refused to air the Top 100 year end specials of AT 40? I lived in NYC until 2002, and it was very frustrating. Did they just resent having ot air the show? Does WHTZ air the year end special now?
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Post by Mike on Jan 8, 2012 14:18:51 GMT -5
I've read that they're known for producing their own station year-end chart. Maybe in previous years they abstained from AT40's countdown in favor of their own?
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Post by jlthorpe on Jan 9, 2012 9:21:12 GMT -5
Yes, Z-100 does their own year-end countdown. If you go to www.ct30.com/Z100/more.txt , they have every Top 100 listed from 1983 to 2011.
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jan 10, 2012 18:49:27 GMT -5
I remember calling them at the time and being told it was because they had their own and that people would get confused if they did both. Translation: no, they didn't want to run the show, and indeed buried it at 5am on Saturday mornings.
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Post by Adrian on Jan 11, 2012 10:38:16 GMT -5
Starting from Casey's Top 40, Z100 has always aired the year-end countdown until they dropped the show in November 1994. When AT40 returned in 1998, and between 1998 and 2003, Z100 did not air the year-end shows. It was only after Ryan Seacrest hosted AT40 was the year-end countdown brought back.
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Post by statenislandfan on Jan 11, 2012 11:23:14 GMT -5
Adding on to Scott's comments, then AT40 in 2001 ran very early on monday mornings from 1am to 5am. A differcult time slot to record and keep your eyes open, till the last airing of Casey being on the show which was right before AT40 year end special of 2003. Casey's very last American Top 40 show never aired on the NYC airwaves....And by the way AT20 was never aired on any NYC station but later,way later as we all know there was a special 1 hour version of American Top 10 made just for WLTW and you had to be up at 6am on a sunday morning to hear crunched between a church service and a community affairs program.
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Post by shadster on Jan 11, 2012 22:37:23 GMT -5
It was 1-5am? I thought it was 2-6. I remember listening to it online once or twice. That was back when webstreams sounded like they were coming out of a tin can. ANd as for Casey's countdowns......we were discusing that in another thread, an I think we came to the conclusion of "Non-duplicative syndication". Meaning.....only ONE Casey per town. Every city got 1 of Caseys countdowns, an no more. So if you got AT-10, no AT-20. etc etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2012 12:16:53 GMT -5
It was 1-5.
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Post by mkarns on Jan 12, 2012 12:29:06 GMT -5
It was 1-5am? I thought it was 2-6. I remember listening to it online once or twice. That was back when webstreams sounded like they were coming out of a tin can. ANd as for Casey's countdowns......we were discusing that in another thread, an I think we came to the conclusion of "Non-duplicative syndication". Meaning.....only ONE Casey per town. Every city got 1 of Caseys countdowns, an no more. So if you got AT-10, no AT-20. etc etc. And since stations in the DC area were playing Casey's AC shows (and did so until his 2009 retirement), we got shafted out of AT40 completely, even during the wee hours. Casey may have successfully revived the show, but except for Rob Durkee's book and occasional out of town visits I'd never have known it for as long as he was host. Since I didn't follow radio developments carefully then, AT40 largely slipped my mind until one Sunday morning in 2004, when in my car I pulled up "American Top 40...with Ryan Seacrest" on WIHT. I thought "Cool, AT40's back...but isn't this Casey Kasem's show?"
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jan 12, 2012 23:06:44 GMT -5
Adding on to Scott's comments, then AT40 in 2001 ran very early on monday mornings from 1am to 5am. A differcult time slot to record and keep your eyes open, till the last airing of Casey being on the show which was right before AT40 year end special of 2003. Casey's very last American Top 40 show never aired on the NYC airwaves....And by the way AT20 was never aired on any NYC station but later,way later as we all know there was a special 1 hour version of American Top 10 made just for WLTW and you had to be up at 6am on a sunday morning to hear crunched between a church service and a community affairs program. Yes, it was on from 1-5am on Monday morning for awhile. But then they moved it to 5-9 on Saturday mornings. Not sure whether Z100 aired Casey's last show. As for AT20 you are mistaken. It was heard in Big 105 when the show started in 1998. This was the first time Casey had been heard in NYC in about 3 years. When they flipped formats the show was dropped and eventually AT40 ended up on Z100. Don't remember exactly when AT10 first appeared on WLTW, nor whether it was always the edited version on there, though I think it was.
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Post by statenislandfan on Jan 13, 2012 8:33:01 GMT -5
Forgot about AT20 0n Big 105 and I shouldn't have because I recorded that show.I thought it was CT20 on Big 105. However, Casey's last show on Z100 did not air. I was up at 1am ready to record it and there was no show.In fact it was 3 weeks in a row without an AT40 show because the year end special was on and did not air either. Lite FM only played the 1 hour version of AT10. The only time that I can remember they played a 3 hour show was the year end countdown on New Years Day in the mid 2000's... Believe it or not...
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Post by Scott Lakefield on Jan 14, 2012 10:39:42 GMT -5
After reading your post, I think I'd had the AT40 on Z100 history reversed in my head...I was thinking it started in the 1-5am slot and then moved to 5-9am, but it was actually the other way around.
I guess not really surprising that Casey's last show didn't air on Z100. But of course Ryan's first show was the first time in years that AT40 was on in decent daylight hours in NYC.
Regarding the reference above to CH20 on 105.1 in NYC...easy mistake to make, as the show DID air on that frequency in NYC. Mid 90s, after Z100 dropped CT40. When the station flipped formats (to an alternative one I think...ironic as that's why Z100 dropped CT40), the show was dropped, and Casey wasn't heard again til 3/29/98...ironically on the same frequency, and in my opinion in one of the best slots he ever had in NYC...8pm Sunday nights.
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Post by marv101 on Jan 14, 2012 22:33:02 GMT -5
You folks are all merely confirming what I've felt for years; it makes no sense for any radio station to carry a nationally syndicated program at an absurd hour when very few people are going to get up and listen to it, regardless, regardless of whether we're talking about Casey, Rick Dees, Charlie Tuna, Bob Kingsley or Kix Brooks (country).
And the same holds true IMHO for stations which air Casey's 70s and 80s countdowns very early in the morning; given the ultra-conservative nature of USA radio programming, a problem which has gotten progressively worse over the past forty years, those of us who listen to these 70s and 80s countdowns certainly love them a lot, since many of us vividly remember hearing all of these great songs the first time around, as well as tons of songs that we'd love to hear a lot more often but can't because of the 400-song limit that many stations are stuck with thanks to their corporate masters, which leads to safe & dull radio.
The implimentation of PPM in many markets has uncovered many listening habits that most PDs were 100% unaware of, and two in particular; that PM drive trumps AM drive in terms of total listeners, and that midday Saturdays have substantially more listeners than 95% of the PDs and MDs out there were really aware of.
For the stations which air Casey's shows twice on weekends (not sure how many of them do so), airing the show late Saturday morning and again late afternoon or early evening on Sunday would certainly be a no-brainer, as opposed to burying it either at 6AM on Saturday or Saturday.
With very little live radio programming in the US on Sundays regardless of music format, lots of those stations which air the countdowns at 6AM on Saturday or Sunday morning could certainly air it again at 6 PM on Saturday or Sunday evening if they were so inclined.
Some Top 40 stations certainly had a point in not airing AT 40 during the eighties when the format enjoyed a huge renaissance if they had their own in-house countdown show and especially if they had Rick Dees, Scott Shannon or another superstar jock in AM drive, so the fact that some format powerhouses such as Z100 or KIIS either chose to not carry the show, or chose to bury it in a dreadful timeslot made plenty of sense in that regard.
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Post by cafy1000 on Jan 16, 2012 15:15:16 GMT -5
I guess I still don't understand why WHTZ would air the year end specials with Ryan but NOT with Casey. Did they simply not like Casey Kasem? Casey Kasem was and still is a nationally known personality who set the standatd for all countdowns. It makes no sense!
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Post by jdelachjr2002 on Jan 16, 2012 17:41:16 GMT -5
I guess I still don't understand why WHTZ would air the year end specials with Ryan but NOT with Casey. Did they simply not like Casey Kasem? Casey Kasem was and still is a nationally known personality who set the standard for all countdowns. It makes no sense! Maybe they weren't too fond of having an elderly man like Casey counting down the top hits of the year to a young audience. I said maybe.
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