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Post by marv101 on Dec 24, 2011 22:26:46 GMT -5
Boy, did I REALLY misinterpret your post, Paul; thanks for clearing that up for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 22:32:51 GMT -5
Yeah Scott Pelley wasnt doing an exposé with Steve Hartman on Milli Vanilli. ;D
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Post by michaelcasselman on Dec 25, 2011 0:55:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the networks had done a story about it when it originally broke. In fact, I do seem to recall some mainstream coverage (not just the Entertainment Tonight/A Current Affair/MTV News etc.) of the controversy. Maybe not a full-blown hour-long 48 Hours investigative report, but certainly it was a 'unique' enough of a story for it's time to have been exposed in such a way, and after such prestigious accolades and at the height of their success.
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Post by Mike on Dec 26, 2011 15:51:36 GMT -5
^ I'll bet it made for an awkward moment when it came time for "All or Nothing" on the 1990 year-end countdown.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 17:00:35 GMT -5
^ I'll bet it made for an awkward moment when it came time for "All or Nothing" on the 1990 year-end countdown. About a month after the story broke, Milli Vanilli was at #39 I believe it was on the Top 40 Million Sellers of the 80's. Best way to address the issue was to not address it, play the song, and move on to the next one or a commercial break.
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Post by mkarns on Dec 26, 2011 17:48:26 GMT -5
^ I'll bet it made for an awkward moment when it came time for "All or Nothing" on the 1990 year-end countdown. I recall Shadoe saying something about "those pop imposters" in his introduction to the song, the only time I heard him play MV after the fakery was finally confirmed in November 1990. ("All Or Nothing" ranked #97 for the year on AT40 and #79 on CT40).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2011 17:59:23 GMT -5
^ I'll bet it made for an awkward moment when it came time for "All or Nothing" on the 1990 year-end countdown. I recall Shadoe saying something about "those pop imposters" in his introduction to the song, the only time I heard him play MV after the fakery was finally confirmed in November 1990. ("All Or Nothing" ranked #97 for the year on AT40 and #79 on CT40). Thanks to the station in Jacksonville telling me the night the year end show was supposed to air that they were no longer airing AT40 I didn't get to hear it. Oh, but they ran the Top 100 new years day with no announcement, fan fare, or anything else. I only heard the Top 41 because of that.
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Post by Caseyfan4everRyanfanNever on Dec 26, 2011 18:26:25 GMT -5
On CT40's Top 100 of 1990, Casey refers to MV as the "duo that really wasn't" He also noted that until a few weeks ago everyone thought the song was from Milli Vanilli and then he brushes off the entire incident by quoting Shakespeare's "What's in a name"
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Dec 26, 2011 19:25:42 GMT -5
I recall Shadoe saying something about "those pop imposters" in his introduction to the song, the only time I heard him play MV after the fakery was finally confirmed in November 1990. ("All Or Nothing" ranked #97 for the year on AT40 and #79 on CT40). I remember Shadoe acknowledging on the AT40 year-end countdown for 1990 the fact that "they did dance in their videos, or at least, it looked like them. Milli Vanilli - whoever they are - finish the year at #97..."
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Post by Mike on Jan 2, 2012 15:14:01 GMT -5
A couple of things that I wonder about:
1. It may be nothing...but I wonder how the structure of Shadoe-hosted shows would come down if re-aired? What I mean by this, is: Casey-hosted shows have had six segments each hour. Insert commercial times, and (with few exceptions) it comes down to two segments, then commercial, repeated twice more to fill the hour (except for the final hour). Simple. But, the show changed to four segments each hour except for the last, which has five - Shadoe's first show is also the first like this. How does that get divided up since it'll always be uneven?
2. This questions is more about Billboard. I'm curious as to what their year-end chart policies were for 1990. They must have changed their year-end chart policies between 89 and 90 - reason I say this is, both "Blame it On the Rain" and "Love Shack" are listed in both the 89 and 90 year-end Top 100. Something else I notice is both of Bell Biv Devoe's two #3 hits, "Poison" and "Do Me", finishing #4 and #11 for the year, respectively, and of the three songs that spent four weeks on top that year, the highest was "Nothing Compares 2 U", at #3. Maybe 1990 was just a year with a lot of long-running songs running amok on the year-end chart, but what about "Blame it On the Rain" and "Love Shack"?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2012 15:18:51 GMT -5
A couple of things that I wonder about: 1. It may be nothing...but I wonder how the structure of Shadoe-hosted shows would come down if re-aired? What I mean by this, is: Casey-hosted shows have had six segments each hour. Insert commercial times, and (with few exceptions) it comes down to two segments, then commercial, repeated twice more to fill the hour (except for the final hour). Simple. But, the show changed to four segments each hour except for the last, which has five - Shadoe's first show is also the first like this. How does that get divided up since it'll always be uneven? 2. This questions is more about Billboard. I'm curious as to what their year-end chart policies were for 1990. They must have changed their year-end chart policies between 89 and 90 - reason I say this is, both "Blame it On the Rain" and "Love Shack" are listed in both the 89 and 90 year-end Top 100. Something else I notice is both of Bell Biv Devoe's two #3 hits, "Poison" and "Do Me", finishing #4 and #11 for the year, respectively, and of the three songs that spent four weeks on top that year, the highest was "Nothing Compares 2 U", at #3. Maybe 1990 was just a year with a lot of long-running songs running amok on the year-end chart, but what about "Blame it On the Rain" and "Love Shack"? They were both from 89 and were in the midst of their run at the year end cut off point I assume. As far as your other question, they would either have 4 breaks or combine two segments into one. Dees's retro shows have all their breaks in tact and he only has I think 4 an hour and 5 the last hour.
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Post by Mike on Jan 2, 2012 15:59:22 GMT -5
They were both from 89 and were in the midst of their run at the year end cut off point I assume. I think they were both peaking on 12/2/89, I know Blame it On the Rain spent its second (and last) week on top that week. But only a change in policy would explain them appearing on both years' surveys, when that wouldn't have happened in years prior. Probably a good example I can think of is "The Next Time I Fall" from later in 1986 - its sole week on top was 12/6, but it was deferred to the 1987 chart. EDIT: OK, "Love Shack" peaked on 11/25. "(It's Just) The Way That You Love Me" and "Angelia", #3 and #4 on 12/2, are only on the 1990 chart. "Blame it On the Rain" must have been bulletless that week. As far as your other question, they would either have 4 breaks or combine two segments into one. Dees's retro shows have all their breaks in tact and he only has I think 4 an hour and 5 the last hour. Oh yeah...I forgot that his show is like that.
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Post by vince on Jan 2, 2012 17:09:19 GMT -5
A couple of things that I wonder about: 2. This questions is more about Billboard. I'm curious as to what their year-end chart policies were for 1990. They must have changed their year-end chart policies between 89 and 90 - reason I say this is, both "Blame it On the Rain" and "Love Shack" are listed in both the 89 and 90 year-end Top 100. Something else I notice is both of Bell Biv Devoe's two #3 hits, "Poison" and "Do Me", finishing #4 and #11 for the year, respectively, and of the three songs that spent four weeks on top that year, the highest was "Nothing Compares 2 U", at #3. Maybe 1990 was just a year with a lot of long-running songs running amok on the year-end chart, but what about "Blame it On the Rain" and "Love Shack"? For 1990 BB went back to a defined survey period for their year end chart rather than counting a song's whole chart run as they did from 1985 to 1989. I think the 1990 survey period ran from 11/18/89 to 11/17/90. “Love Shack” and “Blame It On The Rain” had enough points to rank in BB’s Top 100 of 1990 and they were included even though they were also included in BB’s 1989 year end chart.
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Post by Mike on Jan 2, 2012 17:19:47 GMT -5
^ So...the weeks of 11/18, 11/25, and 12/2/89 were counted in both years? I have the 1989 show and recall Shadoe saying the '89 survey period ended with the 12/2 chart.
That would explain a song like "Another Day in Paradise" only finishing #7 for 1990 though, rather than threatening the top spot as it likely would have otherwise.
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Post by dukelightning on Jan 2, 2012 18:36:42 GMT -5
Wasn't "Look Away" the #1 song of 1989 after spending its weeks at #1 in Dec. 1988? If Billboard changed thier policy in 1990, maybe they changed it to stop records like that from being #1 for the year. Kind of history repeating itself because AT40 calculated their own year end survey in 1977 to avoid having a Nov. and Dec. 1976 song, "Tonight's the Night" from being the #1 song of 1977.
All of which begs the question, why didn't AT40 just wait a couple weeks and do the year end countdown in mid-Jan so they could do a calendar year survey period? That's really a rhetorical question...lol
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