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Post by Mike on Nov 13, 2011 14:27:06 GMT -5
Funny that you guys mention them; Q105 has a shout out in this weekend's 11/16/85 show (see also the "Great Radio Stations" thread I created - and please contribute there if you feel so inclined!). (As an aside...after reading about them on Wiki, I don't have a very high opinion of the tactics WFLZ resorted to. )
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 15:17:02 GMT -5
I don't see what they did that was so wrong. I'm on the wikipedia site for WFLZ.
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Post by mstgator on Nov 13, 2011 16:50:41 GMT -5
Was there another top 40 station in Tampa in the early 80s besides WRBQ? So far I've found only one direct competitor to Q105 in the early '80s (after 95YNF switched to AOR). 98 Rock (WQXM) became Top 40 Z98 (WZNE) in 1983, but had little ratings success and switched to Classic Rock 97.9 (WKRL) in 1986 (currently the frequency belongs to album rock 98 Rock WXTB).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2011 17:14:25 GMT -5
Give me BJ105. Yes, I know it has nothing to do with Tampa but it was close by and I like that name and have no idea why anyone thought it was a good idea for anything but *poking* fun of. Pun intended.
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Post by shadster on Nov 14, 2011 0:56:15 GMT -5
BJ 105 wasn't really listenable in Tampa, it would come in as you left town on I-4. Y106 had a stronger signal into Tampa, aka XL106.7, and now they've moved their tower closer to Orlando from Leesburg to Tavares so they might come in even better now in Tampa, but not sure since I havent been to Tampa since the 90's. Additionally, most nights, on the beach, you could hear B-97 New Orleans. You gotta love the Gulf, and the flatness of Florida. I also remeber that on some nights you could hear Power96 Miami and Wink97/96 K-rock/B103.7 Ft Myers. Well Wink kinda leaned HotAC and Power96 leaned Rhythmic. Not sure why I included Krock, they were a true Metal station.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2011 6:42:51 GMT -5
BJ 105 wasn't really listenable in Tampa, it would come in as you left town on I-4. Y106 had a stronger signal into Tampa, aka XL106.7, and now they've moved their tower closer to Orlando from Leesburg to Tavares so they might come in even better now in Tampa, but not sure since I havent been to Tampa since the 90's. Additionally, most nights, on the beach, you could hear B-97 New Orleans. You gotta love the Gulf, and the flatness of Florida. I also remeber that on some nights you could hear Power96 Miami and Wink97/96 K-rock/B103.7 Ft Myers. Well Wink kinda leaned HotAC and Power96 leaned Rhythmic. Not sure why I included Krock, they were a true Metal station. Ha! Wink. Funny you mention that too. I was sitting in the parking lot at church in Brandon yesterday and picked it up.
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Post by richm921 on Nov 27, 2011 22:11:12 GMT -5
Was there another top 40 station in Tampa in the early 80s besides WRBQ? You may want to count WMGG Magic 96 especially since they were an AT40 affiliate at one time (circa 1982). WZNE was already mentioned. However by 1986 both WZNE and WMGG had changed and WRBQ had CHR to itself until 1989 and WFLZ.
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Dec 23, 2011 17:30:32 GMT -5
I realized another reason why any episode from 1989 may never air again, whether AT40 or CT40 - it's likely due to an act known for not making music but claiming someone else's singing as their own.
Ever hear of the fraudsters known as Milli Vanilli? They used recordings of someone else's vocals and lip-synched them in their music videos and concerts. They may have done something legal with regards to dancing, but still, what they did with the music was a form of stealing. I'm absolutely surprised they didn't go to jail for what they did. They did have to give up their Grammys (and rightfully so).
Premiere may not want to air any episodes with Milli Vanilli as the royalties they may be required to pay for playing such songs will have to go to the credited group (who is in the wrong) when really it should go to the uncredited person providing the actual voices.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2011 19:56:20 GMT -5
That won't keep them from being heard. They were actually in the Top 40 Million Sellers show the aired about a month after the revelation came out, have been heard on Dees's retro shows, the Big 40 Countdown, and I think just played as part of the music lineup on SXM (though I may be wrong on that part).
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Post by blackbowl68 on Dec 23, 2011 23:16:19 GMT -5
I realized another reason why any episode from 1989 may never air again, whether AT40 or CT40 - it's likely due to an act known for not making music but claiming someone else's singing as their own. Ever hear of the fraudsters known as Milli Vanilli? They used recordings of someone else's vocals and lip-synched them in their music videos and concerts. They may have done something legal with regards to dancing, but still, what they did with the music was a form of stealing. I'm absolutely surprised they didn't go to jail for what they did. They did have to give up their Grammys (and rightfully so). Premiere may not want to air any episodes with Milli Vanilli as the royalties they may be required to pay for playing such songs will have to go to the credited group (who is in the wrong) when really it should go to the uncredited person providing the actual voices. What Milli Vanilli did was not unique to Top 40 music. This was also the situation with the groups Black Box, Silver Convention, the Chakachas, Dawn, and...surprisingly...Archie Bell & the Drells at the time of their #1! Milli Vanilli is vehement hated only in the US...because they won that Grammy Award! The good thing it exposed was the NARAS committee was totally out-of-touch about new music, and were rightfully duped. (Remember Jethro Tull's win?) WCBS-FM recently started playing their music when they did their #1 hits weekend. We can't get mad at them forever.
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Post by matt on Dec 24, 2011 0:14:41 GMT -5
I realized another reason why any episode from 1989 may never air again, whether AT40 or CT40 - it's likely due to an act known for not making music but claiming someone else's singing as their own. Ever hear of the fraudsters known as Milli Vanilli? They used recordings of someone else's vocals and lip-synched them in their music videos and concerts. They may have done something legal with regards to dancing, but still, what they did with the music was a form of stealing. I'm absolutely surprised they didn't go to jail for what they did. They did have to give up their Grammys (and rightfully so). Premiere may not want to air any episodes with Milli Vanilli as the royalties they may be required to pay for playing such songs will have to go to the credited group (who is in the wrong) when really it should go to the uncredited person providing the actual voices. What Milli Vanilli did was not unique to Top 40 music. This was also the situation with the groups Black Box, Silver Convention, the Chakachas, Dawn, and...surprisingly...Archie Bell & the Drells at the time of their #1! Milli Vanilli is vehement hated only in the US...because they won that Grammy Award! The good thing it exposed was the NARAS committee was totally out-of-touch about new music, and were rightfully duped. (Remember Jethro Tull's win?) WCBS-FM recently started playing their music when they did their #1 hits weekend. We can't get mad at them forever. Yes--I can't imagine Milli Vanilli would be keeping Premiere from airing the 90's shows--it is all about those shows not being hosted by Casey Kasem combined with the lack of appeal of 1989 musically for the target demographic of the AT40 re-runs (though the lack of musical appeal was arguably contributed to by the likes of Milli Vanilli--just saying that I don't think a decision would be made to avoid Milli Vanilli specifically). I agree with blackbowl that the Grammy award seemed to be at the root of the backlash against Rob and Fab, and I still think it really shows how completely shallow so many radio/pop music listeners in the US were at the time (and probably still are, if not worse today). I personally didn't care who was singing on the "Girl You Know It's True" CD--just enjoyed the music. Why should anyone have felt so betrayed when they found out Rob and Fab weren't the actual singers? Another thing--Rob and Fab weren't completely innocent in the whole incident, but it is completely unfair to suggest that they were "stealing" and that they should have gone to jail. The guy who really was the villain in it all IMHO, was Frank Farian--the German producer who signed Rob and Fab with no other intentions but to have them front for his faceless studio singers and lip sync through it all and pretend to be the actual singers. To this day I still can't understand how that guy got to walk away from the whole thing with very little scrutiny, while Rob and Fab were made a world-wide mockery.
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Post by jlthorpe on Dec 24, 2011 6:09:09 GMT -5
If I had to guess why Rob and Fab got more criticism than Farian, I would say it is because they were the face of the group. I doubt the average music listener knew much about Farian. Also, as blackbowl said, lip synching was not new, but maybe in the age of MTV, having a group like Milli Vanilli be so prominent with their act, as well as accept the Grammy, when they knew they weren't the actual singers, contributed to their downfall. Were any of the other acts mentioned by blackbowl appearing on TV shows passing themselves off as the singers (like on American Bandstand or some such show)?
It could have also been that people didn't like Milli Vanilli in the first place. I remember the show In Living Color making fun of them, and I think that was before the lip synching scandal.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 7:16:53 GMT -5
I liked Milli Vanillis songs no matter who sang them. Still do. I had forgotten about the Grammy. That's probably because I thnk award shows like this are entirely meaningless. I know it's a big deal for musicians, actors, directors, movies to win these awards but I couldn't care less. I also know not everyone thinks like me when it comes to this. But then again, I don't care about Lindsay Lohans teeth but that was a big deal on one of those nightly "we follow stars because we have no lives of our own" shows that air.So presumably, someone out there cared. For reference purposes it came on after the CBS Evening News, I had tossed the remote to my wife, was getting up to do school work and we sat watching it like a car crash for like 3 minutes not believing anyone would actually care about this.
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Post by marv101 on Dec 24, 2011 20:56:31 GMT -5
I can't believe that a storied news organization such as CBS would have even bothered to mention that Milli Vanilli episode, let alone give it a full three minutes out of a 22 1/2 minute newscast.
Top 40 radio in 1989 still supplied a ton of hits which essentially became and still remain staples in the libraries of tons of Hot AC & AC stations to this day, even as many stations began to abandon the format, and many CHR/Pop powerhouses, such as WZPL/Indianapolis, eventually evolved to Hot AC as that format began taking off within the next 3-5 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2011 21:13:09 GMT -5
I can't believe that a storied news organization such as CBS would have even bothered to mention that Milli Vanilli episode, let alone give it a full three minutes out of a 22 1/2 minute newscast. Top 40 radio in 1989 still supplied a ton of hits which essentially became and still remain staples in the libraries of tons of Hot AC & AC stations to this day, even as many stations began to abandon the format, and many CHR/Pop powerhouses, such as WZPL/Indianapolis, eventually evolved to Hot AC as that format began taking off within the next 3-5 years. I think you misunderstood. I was saying I had forgotten they won a Grammy because I have no interest in award shows or anything like that and that I couldn't care less about what goes on with celebrities even though I know a lot of people do or shows like Access Hollywood and whatever else wouldnt exist. I was saying I saw for 3 minutes on one of these shows AFTER the CBS Evening News was over something about Lindsay Lohans teeth. Basically I have no idea why anyone is interested in what people in Hollywood do. That's what I was saying. There was no story about Milli Vanilli on CBS or Inside Entertainment or whatever it was.
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