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Post by kenmartin on Jan 5, 2019 11:04:20 GMT -5
Great mono to stereo conversion by Ken Martin on '72 countdown. Agree--listening to 12/2/72 at the moment, and had those same thoughts. I know some of the traditionalists like hearing those early shows in mono, but I'm amazed at how good they sound with the conversion to stereo. Also very curious to how it actually works. It sounds like Ken has a program/app he runs on those shows that magically does the conversion. But how does that app figure out what to place on the left channel and what to place on the right? Back in the day, the sound engineer would more or less work that out on the mixing board, but I assume there was some thought or strategy that went into how to distribute the two sides. How does Ken's program figure that out by itself? Here's a YouTube video of how I do the conversion
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Post by at40nut on Jan 5, 2019 11:05:03 GMT -5
I wonder if we'll get a countdown show from January 1977 this month. It's been a while since we've had one. I also wonder if a January 1979 A show (1-27-79 ?) is possible. I guess maybe since the Top 100 of 1978 was a B show, and the last A offering from that period was 10-14-78. It could also bridge a gap if Premiere airs 3-24-79 this year.
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 5, 2019 13:17:15 GMT -5
Because of the way the calendar dates fall, I gotta disagree with both of these predictions and go with something around 1/11/?? or 1/12/?? 1/11/75 was just played in 2016, so it would be repeatable, but the thing is with 1/4/75: Premiere always plays the second half of the year end special the first week in January, when the dates would align right for a January 4th show. Add to it that they always stray from the policy of aligning the dates between the current weekends and the original show dates during January. Hence my logic in going with 1/4/75. If 1/4/1975 is the AT40: The 70's show for the January 12-13, 2018 weekend and not 1/11/1975, there should be for an OPTIONAL EXTRA some Captain and Tennille song (or a medley of songs) to honor the Captain - Daryl Dragon - who passed away on January 2, 2019. I also hope AT40 The 70's slates a 1976, 1977, 1978, or 1979 show in the weeks to come with an OPTIONAL EXTRA of a Dr. Hook song to honor Dr. Hook lead singer Ray Sawyer, who also passed away on January 2, 2019.
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Post by kani on Jan 5, 2019 14:25:53 GMT -5
WPNC now airing part II 1978 as of today
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Post by bobbo428 on Jan 5, 2019 19:52:28 GMT -5
I wonder if we'll get a countdown show from January 1977 this month. It's been a while since we've had one. I also wonder if a January 1979 A show (1-27-79 ?) is possible. I guess maybe since the Top 100 of 1978 was a B show, and the last A offering from that period was 10-14-78. It could also bridge a gap if Premiere airs 3-24-79 this year. Jan. 27, 1979 was the only week that Captain and Tennille's "You Need a Woman Tonight" was in the top 40, and it would be a good one to feature because of the Captain's recent passing. I wish the song had done better than No. 40.
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Post by rgmike on Jan 6, 2019 0:59:52 GMT -5
So, after an intro that included the fact that "American Pie" was the longest song ever to hit #1 (and even though there were only 12 songs in Hour 3), they played a version that lopped off the beginning. Odd.
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Post by kenmartin on Jan 6, 2019 8:43:56 GMT -5
So, after an intro that included the fact that "American Pie" was the longest song ever to hit #1 (and even though there were only 12 songs in Hour 3), they played a version that lopped off the beginning. Odd. It was that way during the original broadcast as well. During the restoration, I wanted to include the full song (starting with "A long, long time ago") but the timing just didn't work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2019 9:01:04 GMT -5
On the original single of Don McLean's "American Pie", side "A" fades out and side "B" fades in on that song, as was typical in the 1970's for long songs.
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Post by tzmac on Jan 6, 2019 11:49:42 GMT -5
Great mono to stereo conversion by Ken Martin on '72 countdown. Agree--listening to 12/2/72 at the moment, and had those same thoughts. I know some of the traditionalists like hearing those early shows in mono, but I'm amazed at how good they sound with the conversion to stereo. Also very curious to how it actually works. It sounds like Ken has a program/app he runs on those shows that magically does the conversion. But how does that app figure out what to place on the left channel and what to place on the right? Back in the day, the sound engineer would more or less work that out on the mixing board, but I assume there was some thought or strategy that went into how to distribute the two sides. How does Ken's program figure that out by itself? The most magical part of what Ken does is to use a program that lifts Casey's voice from the music so that he can not only replace the music where there is no talking, but also replace the music under Casey's talking. Incredible. Ken posted a link to a video a while back that shows how he does this. Aside from that the stereo music that Ken uses sounds incredible - the separation and individual instruments. I asked how he achieved the fantastic sound - and he replied that he uses non-compressed source files. I thought maybe he also used a sound enhancement program to achieve the separation and astounding clarity.
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Post by OnWithTheCountdown on Jan 6, 2019 12:14:24 GMT -5
As someone who's had an interest in audio mixing, editing, producing, etc., while also personally knowing others in the radio biz, non-compressed audio is the way to go. Sure, it takes up a ton of space on one's hard drive, but twice-compressed audio sounds awful and ear-biting, even at higher bit rates. Might even be worse than nails on chalkboard. And once you compress audio, you can't un-compress it. It's so important to have a really good source for your audio. I'm not even sure there's a word to effectively describe the work that kenmartin does on these shows...amazing, phenomenal, just seem like underappreciative, understatements. Just outstanding work! Your time and efforts are very much appreciated. Thank you!!!
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Post by pb on Jan 6, 2019 13:14:12 GMT -5
So, after an intro that included the fact that "American Pie" was the longest song ever to hit #1 (and even though there were only 12 songs in Hour 3), they played a version that lopped off the beginning. Odd. However, it included the "helter skelter" verse which I don't remember hearing in any other AT40 show.
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Post by kenmartin on Jan 6, 2019 14:00:57 GMT -5
So, after an intro that included the fact that "American Pie" was the longest song ever to hit #1 (and even though there were only 12 songs in Hour 3), they played a version that lopped off the beginning. Odd. However, it included the "helter skelter" verse which I don't remember hearing in any other AT40 show. True. Most of the time AT40 played the promotional 45 edit. It starts with "So bye, bye" and ends with a fade of the chorus looped. There is also some instrumentation in that version not present anywhere else. Unfortunately, it was never pressed in stereo ... just a mono version. For my mono2stereo conversions, I've created a stereo version of the mono promo edit.
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Post by djjoe1960 on Jan 6, 2019 15:29:21 GMT -5
However, it included the "helter skelter" verse which I don't remember hearing in any other AT40 show. True. Most of the time AT40 played the promotional 45 edit. It starts with "So bye, bye" and ends with a fade of the chorus looped. There is also some instrumentation in that version not present anywhere else. Unfortunately, it was never pressed in stereo ... just a mono version. For my mono2stereo conversions, I've created a stereo version of the mono promo edit. Pretty cool way Ken to deal with the fact that the version of American Pie was unique (and never released commercially).
However, while I realize the timing issue on the original AT40 broadcast, I wish they could have done a better job with fading out a few of the other songs during that hour and could have played the full length 8 1/2 minute version of the song--especially since Casey mentions it.
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Post by vince on Jan 6, 2019 19:35:08 GMT -5
AT40 used the promotional edit of "American Pie" in the original Top 50 of the 70s show.
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Post by dth1971 on Jan 6, 2019 22:11:07 GMT -5
AT40 used the promotional edit of "American Pie" in the original Top 50 of the 70s show. And on the 1980 AT40 Book of Records special the full 8 minute version of "American Pie" was played.
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