|
|
Post by primitive on Apr 10, 2023 15:48:06 GMT -5
Hello.
It has been a number of years since I have posted here but I thought this was he best place to get an accurate answer to this question. My email to Billboard's research email address has bounced back twice in the past week.
While doing some research for my own personal interest I have noticed some discrepancies when looking at different sources for the Hot 100 for several different years.
For example, Billboard.com used to have all of the year-end Hot 100 charts and for 1963 it said the year-end number one song was Sugar Shack by Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs but when I read the actual magazine from December 28, 1963, it says Surfin' U.S.A. by The Beach Boys was the number one song of the year on the Hot 100.
Which one is right, and why is there a discrepancy? Does anyone know?
|
|
|
|
Post by djjoe1960 on Apr 10, 2023 15:57:43 GMT -5
Hello. It has been a number of years since I have posted here but I thought this was he best place to get an accurate answer to this question. My email to Billboard's research email address has bounced back twice in the past week. While doing some research for my own personal interest I have noticed some discrepancies when looking at different sources for the Hot 100 for several different years. For example, Billboard.com used to have all of the year-end Hot 100 charts and for 1963 it said the year-end number one song was Sugar Shack by Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs but when I read the actual magazine from December 28, 1963, it says Surfin' U.S.A. by The Beach Boys was the number one song on the Hot 100. Which one is right, and why is there a discrepancy? Does anyone know? Apparently, Billboard updated some year end lists after they were published in the year end magazines--mostly notably affecting the 1960's. 1966 had it's year end song changed , as well--from California Dreamin' (Mamas & Papas) to The Ballad of the Green Berets (SSGT Barry Sadler). I am not sure exactly why or when this happened but Wikipedia says it was to reflect a change in the methodology of figuring the year end charts. It must have been at least sometime before AT40 answered some questions regarding year end songs because I do recall Casey saying Sugar Shack and Ballaed of green Berets as being the #1's of their respective years. Maybe someone else on this board knows a little more info. |
|
|
|
Post by Mike on Apr 10, 2023 19:11:56 GMT -5
Maybe someone else on this board knows a little more info. Someone else on this board does have a little more info: The third version for 1963 is an attempt to match a revision BB did several years later. The revision was likely done for research packet that BB sold beginning in 1970 up to about 1982. I suspect BB did the revision around 1969 – 1970. 1966 was also revised and I will get to that one later. The survey period is 1/5/1963 to 12/28/1963, the calendar year of 1963. |
|
|
|
Post by chrislc on Apr 10, 2023 20:44:15 GMT -5
Hello. It has been a number of years since I have posted here but I thought this was he best place to get an accurate answer to this question. My email to Billboard's research email address has bounced back twice in the past week. While doing some research for my own personal interest I have noticed some discrepancies when looking at different sources for the Hot 100 for several different years. For example, Billboard.com used to have all of the year-end Hot 100 charts and for 1963 it said the year-end number one song was Sugar Shack by Jimmy Gilmer and the Fireballs but when I read the actual magazine from December 28, 1963, it says Surfin' U.S.A. by The Beach Boys was the number one song on the Hot 100. Which one is right, and why is there a discrepancy? Does anyone know? Apparently, Billboard updated some year end lists after they were published in the year end magazines--mostly notably affecting the 1960's. 1966 had it's year end song changed , as well--from California Dreamin' (Mamas & Papas) to The Ballad of the Green Berets (SSGT Barry Sadler). I am not sure exactly why or when this happened but Wikipedia says it was to reflect a change in the methodology of figuring the year end charts. It must have been at least sometime before AT40 answered some questions regarding year end songs because I do recall Casey saying Sugar Shack and Ballaed of green Berets as being the #1's of their respective years. Maybe someone else on this board knows a little more info. Wow per Wiki Sadler had been #10! And Gilmer had been #40!!! That's quite a change in methodology. Though I assume Gilmer is an end-of-year thing. |
|
|
|
Post by djjoe1960 on Apr 11, 2023 2:20:16 GMT -5
A couple of additional thoughts on 1966--Record World had Ballad as their #1 and Cash Box had the unusual situation of listing both Ballad and California Dreamin' as tied at #1 for the year. Perhaps this led Billboard to rethink their methodology for their year end charts leading to the 'revised' year end surveys.
By the way, I always felt like the Monkees I'm A Believer should've been #1 of 1967, since it had been #1 far longer than To Sir With Love (even if one week of that #1 run happened on the last chart of 1966).
|
|
|
|
Post by mrjukebox on Apr 11, 2023 8:32:14 GMT -5
Billboard listed "Wooly Bully" by Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs as the # 1 song of 1965-It only got to # 2-The obvious champ should've been "Satisfaction" by The Rolling Stones which spent four weeks at # 1.
|
|
|
|
Post by chrislc on Apr 11, 2023 13:57:14 GMT -5
I guess it's safe to say that Sadler got less airplay as a recent #1 hit than just about any #1 hit. Yikes by early 1968 were ANY stations playing it? Maybe it did get some airplay because of the John Wayne movie, I don't know.
Meanwhile California Dreamin' must be one of the most-played hits of the last 60 years, and it wasn't even a #1 song.
|
|
|
|
Post by jgve1952 on Apr 13, 2023 19:21:53 GMT -5
Billboard listed "Wooly Bully" by Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs as the # 1 song of 1965-It only got to # 2-The obvious champ should've been "Satisfaction" by The Rolling Stones which spent four weeks at # 1. Most likely "Wooly Bully" ranked more points on its chart run. "Satisfaction" rose so quickly to the top of the chart, whereas "Wooly Bully" rode the chart much longer, thus accumulating way more points. |
|
|
|
Post by jgve1952 on Apr 13, 2023 19:43:09 GMT -5
I guess it's safe to say that Sadler got less airplay as a recent #1 hit than just about any #1 hit. Yikes by early 1968 were ANY stations playing it? Maybe it did get some airplay because of the John Wayne movie, I don't know. Meanwhile California Dreamin' must be one of the most-played hits of the last 60 years, and it wasn't even a #1 song. "California Dreamin'" only peaked at #4, but did have staying power on the Hot 100, which was unusual for 1966 when the songs dropped quickly after peaking. Most songs in 1966 only stayed on the entire Hot 100 12 weeks, if that. "Ballad" did spend 5 weeks at #1. I remember listening to WABC in New York, and many people were outraged that "Ballad" was the #1 record of 1966. |
|
