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Post by woolebull on Oct 22, 2022 20:06:53 GMT -5
I was listening to the 10/17/92 CT show and on it Swing Out Sister is nearing its peak of 21 with, "Am I The Same Girl"? I know that it didn't hit the top 40 on Billboard (I think it peaked at 45). It got me wondering:
What were some of the higher charting songs on CT to not hit the top 40 on the Hot 100? I want to throw in a caveat at the beginning: The songs I am curious about had to be released as singles. So no The Simpsons, Janet Jackson, No Doubt, etc. What songs on CT, released as singles, did not place in the top 40 on the Hot 100? I am not sure of the number, but would be curious how many charted higher than position 21.
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Post by mkarns on Oct 22, 2022 20:27:34 GMT -5
"The Morning Papers" by Prince & the New Power Generation) (#7 CT40, #44 Hot 100)
"Runaway Love" by En Vogue (#6 CT40, #51 Hot 100)
Both in 1993. They had very fast rises and falls in Radio & Records, indicating that they may have been "paper adds" at many stations that didn't hold up in terms of actual play (Billboard used monitored airplay to help compile the Hot 100, but Radio & Records didn't switch from playlists to actual monitored play until 1994.)
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Post by Mike on Oct 22, 2022 23:49:30 GMT -5
"Runaway Love" by En Vogue (#6 CT40, #51 Hot 100) Caveat on this one: The commercial single was issued a month and a half after it made a big initial splash at radio - had it gone to radio and stores at the same time (or close to it), it likely would have easily cracked the top 40. (As it stands, it finally debuted on the Hot 100 on October 16, at what would be its peak of #51. The week before that, it had plummeted 19-38 on Hot 100 Airplay. It would drop out of the top 40 on that chart the week after it hit the Hot 100.) |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 23, 2022 20:34:54 GMT -5
Also in 1993 for Prince, "Pink Cashmere which equaled Swing Out Sister at R and R #21 (#50 on the Hot 100). Two years later Prince would hit CT with "Gold" (#39) and only go to 88 on the Hot 100. |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 24, 2022 16:05:36 GMT -5
"The Morning Papers" by Prince & the New Power Generation) (#7 CT40, #44 Hot 100) "Runaway Love" by En Vogue (#6 CT40, #51 Hot 100) Both in 1993. They had very fast rises and falls in Radio & Records, indicating that they may have been "paper adds" at many stations that didn't hold up in terms of actual play (Billboard used monitored airplay to help compile the Hot 100, but Radio & Records didn't switch from playlists to actual monitored play until 1994.) Also in 1993 for Prince, "Pink Cashmere" which equaled Swing Out Sister at R and R #21 (#50 on the Hot 100). Two years later Prince would hit CT with "Gold" (#39) and only go to 88 on the Hot 100. |
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Post by woolebull on Oct 26, 2022 13:11:43 GMT -5
While I am thinking of it, what was it that started the influx of songs being released to radio without them being officially released as singles? Was it more of a focus on investing in selling albums instead of singles?
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Post by Mike on Oct 27, 2022 22:19:08 GMT -5
Basically.
Some acts, such as Counting Crows, specifically refused commercial/physical singles altogether (thus why they never appeared on the Hot 100 until "Hanginaround" in 1999), but on the whole albums became the all-encompassing priority unless you were an act/label/genre (particularly R&B/rap/hip-hop) for which singles still really mattered.
I'd say this really started to build toward a trend in the Fall of 1993, as that's when the number of songs that weren't "singles" or were released some time after going to radio ("Again") started to noticeably uptick. 1991 had "Do the Bartman" which was a novelty and Geffen probably just didn't think of giving it a full "single" push, and "State of the World" which was an EIGHTH radio song off Rhythm Nation 1814...whose singer was leaving that album's label for another (nevermind that the album's singles were having diminishing sales). 1992 had...I think? just "Steel Bars", no real idea why Columbia didn't give that a physical release here.
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Post by woolebull on Oct 29, 2022 9:21:04 GMT -5
Basically. Some acts, such as Counting Crows, specifically refused commercial/physical singles altogether (thus why they never appeared on the Hot 100 until "Hanginaround" in 1999), but on the whole albums became the all-encompassing priority unless you were an act/label/genre (particularly R&B/rap/hip-hop) for which singles still really mattered. I'd say this really started to build toward a trend in the Fall of 1993, as that's when the number of songs that weren't "singles" or were released some time after going to radio ("Again") started to noticeably uptick. 1991 had "Do the Bartman" which was a novelty and Geffen probably just didn't think of giving it a full "single" push, and "State of the World" which was an EIGHTH radio song off Rhythm Nation 1814...whose singer was leaving that album's label for another (nevermind that the album's singles were having diminishing sales). 1992 had...I think? just "Steel Bars", no real idea why Columbia didn't give that a physical release here. Good stuff. I am with you on having no clue why "Steel Bars" wasn't released as a single. My only thought was that it would have been his fifth single from the album and even though five was the number of singles released off "Soul Provider", maybe because Columbia was gearing up for, "Timeless" a couple of months later they decided not to. Who knows? Also, were there any other 80's songs besides, "Into The Groove" that would become non-single hits on R and R? I can't think of any others. EDIT: As soon as I posted this, I remembered, "Never Say Goodbye" by Bon Jovi and "Spotlight" by Madonna. No others come to mind after those three. EDIT EDIT: Jermaine and Michael's, "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin". LOL, now I'm done! |
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Post by Mike on Oct 29, 2022 20:11:07 GMT -5
Also, were there any other 80's songs besides, "Into The Groove" that would become non-single hits on R and R? I can't think of any others. EDIT: As soon as I posted this, I remembered, "Never Say Goodbye" by Bon Jovi and "Spotlight" by Madonna. No others come to mind after those three. EDIT EDIT: Jermaine and Michael's, "Tell Me I'm Not Dreamin". LOL, now I'm done! Bon Jovi's "Edge of a Broken Heart". "Hit" status is debatable...but it charted.  |
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Post by mkarns on Oct 30, 2022 11:52:24 GMT -5
Going back into the 70s, Elton John's rendition of "Pinball Wizard", a role he had in the film version of "Tommy", hit #9 in R&R but was not a commercial 45 and so did not chart in Billboard.
Same for Led Zeppelin's "All My Love" (#10 in R&R in 1979). Had Radio & Records come into existence a couple of years earlier, then "Stairway to Heaven" might have charted there as well.
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Post by johnnywest on Oct 30, 2022 12:21:23 GMT -5
Prior to CT40 was “Go” by Asia.
Also “The Way To Your Heart” by Soul Sister. And I don’t think “Oye Mi Canto” by Gloria Estefan was a Billboard Top 40 hit.
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Post by freakyflybry on Oct 30, 2022 21:46:22 GMT -5
Going back into the 70s, Elton John's rendition of "Pinball Wizard", a role he had in the film version of "Tommy", hit #9 in R&R but was not a commercial 45 and so did not chart in Billboard. Same for Led Zeppelin's "All My Love" (#10 in R&R in 1979). Had Radio & Records come into existence a couple of years earlier, then "Stairway to Heaven" might have charted there as well. Also, the Bee Gees hit R&R with "More Than A Woman". It peaked at #21 there in 1978. |
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Post by johnnywest on Feb 5, 2023 13:41:58 GMT -5
“I’d Rather Go Blind” by Sydney Youngblood
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Post by woolebull on Feb 6, 2023 18:28:00 GMT -5
“I’d Rather Go Blind” by Sydney Youngblood Didn't the St. Paul song do the same thing right around that time? |
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Post by OldSchoolAT40Fan on Feb 9, 2023 10:38:18 GMT -5
“I’d Rather Go Blind” by Sydney Youngblood I remember that one. It reached #33 on CT40, but according to a past post, the song peaked at #46 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart. If "I'd Rather Go Blind" had made it to the Billboard Top 40, do you think it would have spent just one week in the top 40, peaking at #40 or #39? Other examples of CT40 songs that didn't make it to the Billboard Top 40: "Slowly" by Stacy Earl (it likely didn't make it to the BB Hot 100, but definitely came close to the top 20 on R&R) "State of the World" by Janet Jackson (#4 on R&R, but didn't chart on BB Hot 100 due to A&M's last-minute decision to not release it as a commercial single) "All True Man" by Alexander O'Neal (Definitely made it to R&R top 40, but only #43 on the Hot 100) "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana (made the top ten on R&R, but only peaked at #41 on BB Hot 100) "Don't Speak" by No Doubt (I believe that hit #1 on R&R, but didn't chart on the BB Hot 100 due to no commercial single released) |
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