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Post by skyballer455 on May 23, 2021 19:31:57 GMT -5
Haven't been back to this board in a while, how's everybody doing? This is a chart oddity that has baffled me ever since I discovered it.
"It Takes Two" by Marvin Gaye & Kim Weston (Tamla 54141) was released on December 2, 1966. It pretty much immediately entered the charts, debuting on January 7, 1967 in Billboard and then the next couple of weeks in Record World and Cash Box respectively. The record went on to peak at #14 in Billboard and #19 in Record World.
However, in Cash Box...
It never even made the Top 40, peaking at a measly #43!
This is baffling to me for two reasons. First, R&B-type records typically (but not always) did better on the Cash Box pop charts than in the other two trade magazines. Secondly, if a record earned Top 20 status in two of the trades, I would expect it to earn Top 20 status in the third one as well.
I can think of two possibilities for this. First, Cash Box's charts were purely based on sales until some time in the late 1970s, so it would indicate that the record wasn't nearly as popular as Billboard indicated. This could also be a very early example of chart fixing, but I have no evidence to back that up.
Maybe someone on here can shed some light on this.
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Post by chrislc on May 27, 2021 16:12:47 GMT -5
Haven't been back to this board in a while, how's everybody doing? This is a chart oddity that has baffled me ever since I discovered it.
"It Takes Two" by Marvin Gaye & Kim Weston (Tamla 54141) was released on December 2, 1966. It pretty much immediately entered the charts, debuting on January 7, 1967 in Billboard and then the next couple of weeks in Record World and Cash Box respectively. The record went on to peak at #14 in Billboard and #19 in Record World. However, in Cash Box... It never even made the Top 40, peaking at a measly #43! This is baffling to me for two reasons. First, R&B-type records typically (but not always) did better on the Cash Box pop charts than in the other two trade magazines. Secondly, if a record earned Top 20 status in two of the trades, I would expect it to earn Top 20 status in the third one as well. I can think of two possibilities for this. First, Cash Box's charts were purely based on sales until some time in the late 1970s, so it would indicate that the record wasn't nearly as popular as Billboard indicated. This could also be a very early example of chart fixing, but I have no evidence to back that up. Maybe someone on here can shed some light on this.
I asked about this in the Cash Box Countdown thread in January 2020. No one responded. So maybe this is one of those events in history it's best not to dig too deep. Kind of a Warren Report situation.  |
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Post by djjoe1960 on May 27, 2021 17:23:41 GMT -5
Haven't been back to this board in a while, how's everybody doing? This is a chart oddity that has baffled me ever since I discovered it.
"It Takes Two" by Marvin Gaye & Kim Weston (Tamla 54141) was released on December 2, 1966. It pretty much immediately entered the charts, debuting on January 7, 1967 in Billboard and then the next couple of weeks in Record World and Cash Box respectively. The record went on to peak at #14 in Billboard and #19 in Record World. However, in Cash Box... It never even made the Top 40, peaking at a measly #43! This is baffling to me for two reasons. First, R&B-type records typically (but not always) did better on the Cash Box pop charts than in the other two trade magazines. Secondly, if a record earned Top 20 status in two of the trades, I would expect it to earn Top 20 status in the third one as well. I can think of two possibilities for this. First, Cash Box's charts were purely based on sales until some time in the late 1970s, so it would indicate that the record wasn't nearly as popular as Billboard indicated. This could also be a very early example of chart fixing, but I have no evidence to back that up. Maybe someone on here can shed some light on this.
I asked about this in the Cash Box Countdown thread in January 2020. No one responded. So maybe this is one of those events in history it's best not to dig too deep. Kind of a Warren Report situation. I mentioned this oddity in a Cash Box Countdown from January 21, 1967 (check out segment 10 of the show)--although I know of no reason the song didn't even make the Top 40 in CB. Perhaps CB polled stores that didn't sell the single that well and it is reflected in the poor performance on their charts (even if it spent 11 weeks on the charts). |
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