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Post by Michael1973 on Sept 21, 2020 11:58:14 GMT -5
I don't look at the Cashbox charts often, but I always assumed the chart movements were typically similar to Billboard or R&R. So, I was a bit surprised to discover the following chart run for "Dirty Cash (Money Talks)" in the fall of 1990:
37-34-28-37-23-29-39-off
Anybody know what accounted for this?
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Post by Mike on Sept 21, 2020 20:48:16 GMT -5
Cynical answer? The answer is the song title.  Serious reply - no idea.  |
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Post by djjoe1960 on Sept 22, 2020 7:09:04 GMT -5
If you look at Cash Box from the 1990's, you will notice that the magazine has shrunk considerably (with most issues averaging less than 50 pages), at a time that Billboard and R & R are closer to 100 pages per issue. Obviously, with less ad revenue I am sure the staff shrunk and the quality of their charts must be questioned for most of the 1990's (how did The Letter by Wayne Newton make it to #1 in 1992?).
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Post by Mike on Sept 22, 2020 7:24:41 GMT -5
(how did The Letter by Wayne Newton make it to #1 in 1992?). |
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Post by Michael1973 on Feb 13, 2021 12:39:15 GMT -5
Bumping this up rather than start a new thread because I discovered another oddity on this chart. In 1991, Janet Jackson's State Of The World moved up very quickly into the top ten, then after moving 13-8 it fell clean off the top 100. I'm guessing this had something to do with the song's not being available as a single, so why did it chart at all?
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Post by jgve1952 on Feb 13, 2021 13:22:14 GMT -5
I checked this out and found that on 12-12-92 that "The Letter" at #1 states it is a "Curb Album Cut." It peaked at this position on CB in its 21st week on the chart.
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Post by adam31 on Feb 13, 2021 17:32:28 GMT -5
Cashbox charts in the 90s were like Billboard's Hot 100 today.......unreliable!
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Post by chrislc on Feb 17, 2021 20:08:20 GMT -5
I checked this out and found that on 12-12-92 that "The Letter" at #1 states it is a "Curb Album Cut." It peaked at this position on CB in its 21st week on the chart. I wonder if it was only a coincidence that Wayne Newton had a #1 song once Johnny Carson was no longer in a position of power and influence in Hollywood, having retired in May 1992? www.today.com/popculture/wayne-newton-johnny-carson-mean-spirited-wbna22043375 |
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Post by Mike on Feb 17, 2021 23:16:17 GMT -5
I checked this out and found that on 12-12-92 that "The Letter" at #1 states it is a "Curb Album Cut." It peaked at this position on CB in its 21st week on the chart. I wonder if it was only a coincidence that Wayne Newton had a #1 song once Johnny Carson was no longer in a position of power and influence in Hollywood, having retired in May 1992? www.today.com/popculture/wayne-newton-johnny-carson-mean-spirited-wbna22043375It charted absolutely nowhere else. I doubt that what went down is Carson-related... |
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Post by djjoe1960 on Feb 18, 2021 8:18:33 GMT -5
It charted absolutely nowhere else. I doubt that what went down is Carson-related... I am sure that some kind of funny business was going on with the charting of The Letter by Wayne Newton (the song also climbed the Cash Box country chart). Whatever credibility Cash Box had probably went out the window, as they failed to go to print for awhile in 1993 before their total demise in 1996. If you look at Cash Box after Record World stopped in 1982, you will notice that CB picked up very little in the way of advertising and at the same time both Billboard and Radio & Records were increasing in ad space and the size of their issues. In addition, Cash Box was reportedly understaffed in comparison to Billboard for what was supposed to be a major trade magazine. So in my mind, after the 1980's I would seriously question the accuracy of the charts in CB during the 1990's. |
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Post by jgve1952 on Feb 18, 2021 13:15:46 GMT -5
Agreed Joe. In 1993 there were eight weeks where there wasn't even a chart featured. This wasn't even during the normal frozen weeks at the beginning of the year. There were more in 1994 and 1996, but none in 1995. The CB Site just plays it off by saying use the chart for the week before. I wonder if this was a prelude to the charts ending on 11-16-96. BIG UGH!
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Post by Michael1973 on Mar 25, 2021 21:40:00 GMT -5
I checked this out and found that on 12-12-92 that "The Letter" at #1 states it is a "Curb Album Cut." It peaked at this position on CB in its 21st week on the chart. Not only had it been on the chart for five months, but it was nowhere near the top ten just a few weeks earlier. Somehow, it magically pole vaulted into the top ten, bumped Whitney to #2 for a week, then plunged out of the top 40 within another few weeks. Nope, nothing suspicious at all about that... |
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Post by laura on Dec 9, 2021 13:50:23 GMT -5
Bumping this up because there was another strange thing I found. The song "Everything" by Jody Watley oddly fell out of the top 40 on Cashbox on 12/9/89 and kept falling for the rest of the year. It obviously would rebound later going to #5 but still I don't get the logic behind that.
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Post by jgve1952 on Dec 9, 2021 18:13:28 GMT -5
Thanks for that observation. When did it rebound?
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Post by laura on Dec 9, 2021 18:38:18 GMT -5
It was on 1/20/90 when it shot right back in at #10. I assume there might have been some error in the calculations starting on 12/9 that caused it to drop when it shouldn't. But still you would think they would figure there was something up with that sooner.
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