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Post by bear on Dec 30, 2016 10:58:03 GMT -5
Yes, Closer, so down in the year end and for example I dont remember that My house by Flo Rida ( and ended in at number 6 CHR ) .
Closer has been so massive and still it is. Or maybe they are waiting to give to Closer the right place in next Top 40 of 2017?
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 30, 2016 11:13:49 GMT -5
Spin count method sucks, period. Always has. Always will. OMG, I found a year end survey that is NOT based on spin count....CT40. Bob Kingsley just explained it. Going to paraphrase it so I can get through this thing. Said songs were given points for each week on the chart, fast rises were given bonus points, so were multiple weeks at #1. Entire chart runs were included (meaning back in to 2015 I am assuming) and songs still on the chart now were projected. Sounds like Billboard/AT40 from the 80s. Spin counts sucks! This method does NOT. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 12:37:07 GMT -5
This method sucks only slightly less. Projecting things with no idea of what the future holds is almost as bad. And this has been their method on Bob hosted shows for 30 years I believe. Having listened to the 86 Top 100 this year, this might actually be the year it started.
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 30, 2016 21:42:21 GMT -5
Only slightly less? Not agreeing with you there. On to version 2 of the AT40 year end. Ryan, did you forget to look at the calendar? Saying in the opening that New Year's Rockin Eve already happened does not fly when stations air the show on Friday or Saturday. Good to hear a cover of the #1 country song of 2016 on version 2. That would be "Die a Happy Man" for those that are wondering. So Ryan says Fifth Harmony is the only girl group to hit #1 this century. And that would be the equivalent of the Backstreet Boys and Jackson Five on the male side. So with that in mind, I say that Fifth Harmony is the only girl group in over 50 years to hit #1. Have to go back to the Shangri-Las in 1964 for the last one. (Supremes, Honey Cone, Bangles, Wilson Phillips, Destiny's Child, etc. are not girl groups by the definition of girl/boy groups).
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Post by woolebull on Dec 30, 2016 22:37:03 GMT -5
Here are some stats I compiled on the top 10 songs, in regards to their runs on American Top 40. Tabulations done by me and corroborated by a neat youtube site that publishes this every week, "Awesome Charts". This can give us some comparison to the spin system:
10: This Is What You Came For: Number of weeks in Top 40: 31, Peak: 2 (2 weeks)
9: One Dance: T40 weeks: 33, Peak: 1 (1 week)
8: Cake By The Ocean: T40: 41 weeks, Peak: 2 ( 2 weeks)
7: Cheap Thrills: T40: 33 weeks Peak: 1 (5 weeks)
6: My House: T40: 34 weeks, Peak 1 (2 weeks)
5: I Took A Pill In Ibeza: T 40: 39 weeks, Peak 1 (1 week)
4: Don't Let Me Down, T 40: 38 weeks (if you count the frozen weeks of 2016), Peak 1 (3 weeks)
3: Sorry: T40: 34 weeks, Peak 1 (2 weeks)
2: Love Yourself: T40: 38 weeks, Peak: 1 (3 weeks)
1: Stressed Out: T40: 34 weeks, Peak: 1 (4 weeks)
Some observations:
"Cake By The Ocean" and "Sorry" had their entire run starting before December of 2015. "Stressed Out" hit the Top 40 the second week of December of 2015. "Sorry" was in the Top 10 by the end of 2015.
"Cheap Thrills", "One Dance", "This Is What You Came For" and "Don't Bring Me Down" are still on the countdown at the end of 2016, so depending on the cutoff date, some of its points might not count.
Diving in to the Top 5 a bit more:
"Ibiza": 15 Weeks Top 10, 8 weeks Top 5, 1 week Number 1
"Don't Let Me Down": 18 weeks Top 10, 15 weeks Top 5, 3 weeks Number 1
"Sorry" (if counting frozen weeks) 16 weeks Top 10, 13 weeks Top 5, 2 weeks Number 1
"Love Yourself" 18 weeks Top 10, 13 weeks Top 5, 3 weeks Number 1
"Stressed Out" 14 weeks Top 10, 10 weeks Top 5, 4 weeks Number 1
Doing it just by chart history, even if you gave bonus points for weeks at position 1, and subtracted December, I would place "Don't Let Me Down" and "Love Yourself" over "Stressed Out". If you count the entire run of a song (as it looks like it did for "Sorry" for the year end show), then I would put "Sorry" above it as well. Again that would be going by the weekly charts.
Also, judging just from Mediabase, American Top 40 can't just be spins: here is the Top 11 to date for the year (the first number is number of spins for the year, the second number is number of spins in December if you wanted to subtract the spins from the year end tally). I threw 11 in because of the previous conversatons going on about it on this post. All numbers, courtesy of Mediabase and allaccess.com:
1 THE CHAINSMOKERS Don't Let Me Down f/Daya 382,967 11,720
2 SIA Cheap Thrills 370,808 17,153
3 MIKE POSNER I Took A Pill In Ibiza 368,349 8,465
4 TWENTY ONE PILOTS Stressed Out 363,369 6,021
5 JUSTIN BIEBER Love Yourself 363,278 2,878
6 CALVIN HARRIS This Is What You... f/Rihanna 340,703 14,342
7 FLO RIDA My House 340,469 6,616
8 DRAKE One Dance f/Wizkid & Kyla 339,423 12,061
9 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Can't Stop The Feeling 312,507 10,457
10 TWENTY ONE PILOTS Ride 312,019 13,147
11 THE CHAINSMOKERS Closer f/Halsey 310,905 50,741
One thing to consider: If December 2015 is the beginning of the time frame, "Stressed Out" would have some more spins. I don't have the numbers of December 2015 but in January the song had 53,566 spins. "Love Yourself" would also have considerable more spins as it had 61,644 spins in January. Mike Posner would also have a few more spins, but he had 4,877 spins in January so I wouldn't think many.
"Sorry" ranks 16th for the year with 271,172 spins. Again, I don't have a December 2015 number but in January it had 70,866 spins. Even if you count December of last year, it would have less than 342,038 spins which would put it behind the Top 5. I'm guessing probably 9th.
What is really interesting to me is the "Closer" is almost in the top 10 for the year, yet only 26 on AT 40. Even if you do not count December, no way it drops 15 spots. Number 26 for the year "Never Forget You" has 209,948 spins.
So some stats for you to consider. Sorry for the long post, but thought you all might enjoy and give you some numbers to crunch!
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Post by DJ Particle on Dec 31, 2016 1:58:27 GMT -5
Only slightly less? Not agreeing with you there. On to version 2 of the AT40 year end. Ryan, did you forget to look at the calendar? Saying in the opening that New Year's Rockin Eve already happened does not fly when stations air the show on Friday or Saturday. Good to hear a cover of the #1 country song of 2016 on version 2. That would be "Die a Happy Man" for those that are wondering. So Ryan says Fifth Harmony is the only girl group to hit #1 this century. And that would be the equivalent of the Backstreet Boys and Jackson Five on the male side. So with that in mind, I say that Fifth Harmony is the only girl group in over 50 years to hit #1. Have to go back to the Shangri-Las in 1964 for the last one. (Supremes, Honey Cone, Bangles, Wilson Phillips, Destiny's Child, etc. are not girl groups by the definition of girl/boy groups). How soon we forget Exposé hitting #1 with "Seasons Change". And what about the Spice Girls? |
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Post by bear on Dec 31, 2016 5:32:41 GMT -5
Bananarama is a girl group unless one the three girls has something the other dont in the middle of we all have . And they had a number 1 .
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 31, 2016 7:48:23 GMT -5
Expose's members were all at least 21 when they hit #1 so they are out and the Spice Girls, while they ARE a girl group did not hit #1 on R&R/CT40. Bananarama, however, are a girl group according to Joel Whitburn. So 1986 is the last time in the 20th century that a girl group hit #1. Great work woolebull on the chart data. And the song that is in the conversation along with "Closer" as the real #1 song of 2016 is "Cheap Thrills". I thought a song had to be released by Easter to be in the running for most spins, but her song that was released well after that I assume came in second. Still say tabulating off the weekly chart performance is the only way to do it.
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Post by woolebull on Dec 31, 2016 9:01:10 GMT -5
And the song that is in the conversation along with "Closer" as the real #1 song of 2016 is "Cheap Thrills". Thank you dukelightning for the compliment. From a charting perspective, here is a closer look at "Cheap Thrills" as I did with the Top 5. "Cheap Thrills": 18 Weeks in the Top 10, 13 Weeks in the top 5, 5 week at #1 Those numbers are right up there with the other big songs of the year, maybe bigger than any other song (I would put it in almost a statistical tie with "Don't Let Me Down"). I was absolutely shocked that it was not higher on the year end countdown. No matter how you rank the countdown, "Thrills" is a bigger hit than "Stressed Out" in my opinion. And on the girl group topic...does Boy Krazy count, or no? |
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 31, 2016 9:17:31 GMT -5
Yep Boy Krazy counts. To be honest, I thought of them last night, looked it up in Whitburn's Pop book, saw they only peaked at 18, and dropped it even though I knew the Hot 100 means nothing at that time. Good call. So a girl group hit #1 in the 80s and 90s but apparently not in the 70s and 2000s. Many in the 60s of course.
As I also posted, "Cheap Thrills" had the most weeks at #1 on the HAC chart (matching "Closer" in the CHR chart) but was only 16 for the year (HAC). Has to be #1 if tabulating off the weekly charts because it finished its run on top in October.
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Post by woolebull on Dec 31, 2016 9:42:01 GMT -5
I thought a song had to be released by Easter to be in the running for most spins, but her song that was released well after that I assume came in second. 2016 might have been a good year for songs that were released later to receive the most spins. Bieber surely hurt himself (from a spin perspective) by having two of the biggest songs of the year released near the same time, which had to cut into plays for "Love Yourself". Plus five big Bieber songs getting solid airplay this year has to mean less recurrent play (I can't remember the last time I heard "Sorry", "Love Yourself" and "What Do You Mean" on the radio). Both "Don't Let Me Down", and "Cheap Thrills", while having a few plays before Easter, saw the vast majority of their spins after Easter: Through March, "Down" had received 5,480 spins, "Thrills" 3,182. |
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Post by dukelightning on Dec 31, 2016 9:53:17 GMT -5
Since AT40 is so in love with this spin count method, I think they should add a feature to the regular shows. This would allow songs like "Cheap Thrills" and "Closer" to get their due at some point. In the last show of each month, I think they should announce the song that has had the most spins in the preceding 12 months and play it, just before the current week's #1 song. Hopefully that same song won't still be in the countdown though! Thrills is close to being in that position...having the most spins in the preceding 12 months and still being in the top 40. Guess in that case, Ryan would have to announce it earlier in the countdown when it is played.
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Post by woolebull on Dec 31, 2016 10:15:14 GMT -5
As I also posted, "Cheap Thrills" had the most weeks at #1 on the HAC chart (matching "Closer" in the CHR chart) but was only 16 for the year (HAC). Has to be #1 if tabulating off the weekly charts because it finished its run on top in October. I totally agree with you from a tabulation from a weekly charts, and quite frankly, that is an abomination that "Thrills" was 16. There is just no plausible way that it accurate. Going back to what exactly AT 40 uses for their criteria, I really think it is more than just spins. Here is the up to the minute spins on the HOT AC charts for the year. Data from allaccess.com and Mediabase: 1 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE Can't Stop The Feeling 172,107 2 PINK Just Like Fire 164,011 3 ADELE Send My Love (To Your New... 163,290 4 JUSTIN BIEBER Love Yourself 163,134 5 TWENTY ONE PILOTS Stressed Out 159,885 6 JAMES BAY Let It Go 156,528 7 DNCE Cake By The Ocean 156,355 8 SIA Cheap Thrills 148,482 9 LUKAS GRAHAM 7 Years 141,810 10 SHAWN MENDES Stitches 141,262 Using Sia: From a weekly perspective, could Sia have had 8 weeks at the top when it was only the 8th most played song of the year? From a year end chart, could Sia be 16th if it was the 8th most played song of the year? It doesn't seem to jive. |
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Post by woolebull on Dec 31, 2016 10:19:37 GMT -5
Since AT40 is so in love with this spin count method, I think they should add a feature to the regular shows. This would allow songs like "Cheap Thrills" and "Closer" to get their due at some point. In the last show of each month, I think they should announce the song that has had the most spins in the preceding 12 months and play it, just before the current week's #1 song. Hopefully that same song won't still be in the countdown though! Thrills is close to being in that position...having the most spins in the preceding 12 months and still being in the top 40. Guess in that case, Ryan would have not announce it earlier in the countdown when it is played. I love that idea! Like you said, Sia (and probably the Chainsmokers last month and starting in January or February as well) might still be on the charts but you can reference the accolade when the song is being played. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2016 10:23:20 GMT -5
I've thought for years that every July 4 weekend they should do a
mid year Top 40. Would be a special to commemorate the shows anniversary and wouldn't be unacceptable to modern day radio.
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