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Post by mellongraig on Nov 24, 2018 17:06:34 GMT -5
Graig, I honestly don't know the problem that Westwood 1 has, for not giving us all 4 hours of ACC. It's probably the affiliates that won't seem to budge with their schedule time. But sending an e-mail to WW1 and to the PDs of the stations that carry the show could convince a 4 hour show, even if the 1st hour is optional like Premiere.
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Post by mellongraig on Nov 28, 2018 16:58:54 GMT -5
This recent aircheck features a show aired 26 years ago this day from November 28, 1992. It may be possible that it could be featured on this weekend's ACC Rewind show, or at least a December 1992 show to close the gap between late 1992-early 1993 shows. As of this aircheck's show, the opening, closing, end of hour, and top of hour themes are still the ones from late summer 1989 (August). I think it may have been at the start of 1993 when it was changed, as the new themes were in place by February 20, 1993.
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Post by briguy52748 on Nov 29, 2018 20:05:51 GMT -5
Dave, I know this may shock and amaze you, but someone out there **does** know what most people want to hear. And this is why the closin' credits have been taken out, to get back to the music faster. You and I may want to hear them. But the average listener does not. I don’t think it’s really so much a case of “the average listener does not” want to listen to the end theme. Yeah, I get it ... it’s sort of like sticking around for the closing credits of a movie. But I’d say it’s that other thing you mentioned: Timing and “to get back to the music faster.” Honestly, if you were to poll the “average listener,” most I believe are apathetic to the closing music of ACC (or and other radio program, for that matter) and could care less one way or the other. Just my opinion. Brian PS: Apathetic meaning could care less one way or another, if they hear it great but if not no big loss; vs. “don’t want to hear it” meaning they specifically told someone, “No, I don’t want to hear (something specific whatever, such as the closing credits).” PPS: Honestly, I’m shrugging my shoulders at this one. Yes, I heard the original shows but very little of WW1’s reruns (closest local affiliate is out of range), so I can’t tell how stark the difference is.
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Post by mellongraig on Nov 30, 2018 15:52:45 GMT -5
Stations who originally carried the show at the time did have the right to fade the closing theme out for the station ID and many did so after Bob's signoff. It's just like how many stations that rerun the 70s and 80s AT40 fade it out after Larry Morgan's voiceover after a few seconds.
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Post by BrettVW on Nov 30, 2018 16:07:28 GMT -5
Brian - the average listener might not “care”, but they might very well change the station during 60 seconds of Bob Kingsley reading show credits. Editing the credits out eliminates that possibility.
As for retro AT40, I believe Premiere fades the theme out now when it sends out the show. Since so many stations are fully automated both in their programming and even in delivery of the shows that the theme is automatically faded after Larry’s credits are done.
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 1, 2018 6:52:58 GMT -5
Back to the rewind show at hand and this week's show is from December 2, 1995 where they were closing in on the ACC Archive feature.
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 1, 2018 10:35:53 GMT -5
Brian - the average listener might not “care”, but they might very well change the station during 60 seconds of Bob Kingsley reading show credits. Editing the credits out eliminates that possibility. As for retro AT40, I believe Premiere fades the theme out now when it sends out the show. Since so many stations are fully automated both in their programming and even in delivery of the shows that the theme is automatically faded after Larry’s credits are done. First, I’ve gotten used to the early fade-outs on AT40, et. al., so really it doesn’t bother me much at all. Sure, it’s nice to hear the closing credits and some stock music at the end, but with the variety of alternate ways we can get original AT40/ACC — which I’d presume has the original themes intact — I’m fine. As always, I’m dismayed by the “chess game” — a very polite term, mind you — that you seem to think radio is or should be, particularly in a tiny market (hint, my main interest) whose main mission isn’t even trying to compete with mega-radio but serving my small territory with their needs: news, sports, community information and (I hope) good music. Yes, I referred to polling “average” listeners about whether to keep or edit/truncate closing themes ... honestly, I think this was programmers who wanted this, and more for their convenience and perception (whether they asked or not) of what they believe listeners want. I guess I’m a dinosaur. Yes, get back to the music/regular programming ASAP of course ... but I think that a regular listener knows already what to expect after he’s heard one show ... and hopefully it’s his favorite program coming up next. Brian
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 1, 2018 10:39:29 GMT -5
Stations who originally carried the show at the time did have the right to fade the closing theme out for the station ID and many did so after Bob's signoff. It's just like how many stations that rerun the 70s and 80s AT40 fade it out after Larry Morgan's voiceover after a few seconds. This is sort of how WLLR did it back in the day with ACC. They were inconsistent, though, in either fading early (to play commercials or the Saturday night programming block) or letting the theme run to completion (and possibly even having a few minutes of “dead air,” which may help restore your sanity but is a no-no in the biz). Brian
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Post by BrettVW on Dec 1, 2018 17:37:52 GMT -5
Brian - the average listener might not “care”, but they might very well change the station during 60 seconds of Bob Kingsley reading show credits. Editing the credits out eliminates that possibility. As for retro AT40, I believe Premiere fades the theme out now when it sends out the show. Since so many stations are fully automated both in their programming and even in delivery of the shows that the theme is automatically faded after Larry’s credits are done. First, I’ve gotten used to the early fade-outs on AT40, et. al., so really it doesn’t bother me much at all. Sure, it’s nice to hear the closing credits and some stock music at the end, but with the variety of alternate ways we can get original AT40/ACC — which I’d presume has the original themes intact — I’m fine. As always, I’m dismayed by the “chess game” — a very polite term, mind you — that you seem to think radio is or should be, particularly in a tiny market (hint, my main interest) whose main mission isn’t even trying to compete with mega-radio but serving my small territory with their needs: news, sports, community information and (I hope) good music. Yes, I referred to polling “average” listeners about whether to keep or edit/truncate closing themes ... honestly, I think this was programmers who wanted this, and more for their convenience and perception (whether they asked or not) of what they believe listeners want. I guess I’m a dinosaur. Yes, get back to the music/regular programming ASAP of course ... but I think that a regular listener knows already what to expect after he’s heard one show ... and hopefully it’s his favorite program coming up next. Brian I look at radio to please the masses and make the biggest profit for the station. Just because you aren’t trying to compete in a large market isn’t an excuse to not sound tight and deliver quality a product. No one is going to spend money or time polling listeners about closing credits. But again, the average listener sees the credits no differently than a commercial - instant tune out. But commercials = money. Closing credits of a syndicated show do not. Why play something with a possible tune out factor if you don’t have to? Small market radio can be good if not great. But so much of it is stuck in a time machine, providing content that isn’t needed or wanted in the year 2018, yet continues because “that is what we’ve always done”.
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Post by briguy52748 on Dec 1, 2018 18:16:51 GMT -5
I look at radio to please the masses and make the biggest profit for the station. Just because you aren’t trying to compete in a large market isn’t an excuse to not sound tight and deliver quality a product. No one is going to spend money or time polling listeners about closing credits. But again, the average listener sees the credits no differently than a commercial - instant tune out. But commercials = money. Closing credits of a syndicated show do not. Why play something with a possible tune out factor if you don’t have to? Small market radio can be good if not great. But so much of it is stuck in a time machine, providing content that isn’t needed or wanted in the year 2018, yet continues because “that is what we’ve always done”. I never have argued that even small-town radio stations must deliver a quality product, whether its primary audience of a town of 5,000 residents or a metro area reaching 10 million people. And I know just as well as you that stations must make a profit to survive. Just because you see things in a mid-/large-market perspective doesn’t mean that it’s right for a tiny-market station. Let them program what works best for them, rather than criticize them for not adhering to the corporate boilerplate. Brian
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 3, 2018 17:39:33 GMT -5
Speaking of years that have been overdue, I think next week 1999 should be played as it hasn't been played since early August, preferrably 12/11 (but 12/4 could also work). 12/18 is out of play due to a guest host, and if 1999 isn't played on a regular show for the rest of this year, it could very well be a year-end countdown this year (where it only had the Top 50, even though it had the full 100 on this site here www.thomasreil.de/english/country/z_acctitel.htm). Clicking the 99 link will bring the full list for 1999.
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 8, 2018 6:55:20 GMT -5
Well, no 1999 this week, but we do get December 10, 1994 as this week's show. I'm thinking unless if we can squeeze in 1999 next week and backtrack to 12/11, it will likely be the year-end pick this year.
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 9, 2018 12:04:53 GMT -5
Time for an ACC classic 80s aircheck when the show was still three hours in length, from November 17, 1984. Note the vinyl sound on this one when ACC and AT40 used to be distributed to vinyl until CDs came along for ACC in mid-1990 (AT40 went to CD in mid-1989).
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Post by mellongraig on Dec 15, 2018 6:32:51 GMT -5
Speaking of 1990, they are going back to December 15, 1990 this week on the rewind show. This is around the time when mentions of the year-end show are heard (they matched Billboard's chart survey that year).
I'm thinking since 1999 has yet to be aired for so long, that they will go with it come New Year's weekend. I would be surprised if it isn't the case...
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Post by davewollenberg on Dec 15, 2018 9:06:31 GMT -5
WW1 might've picked out the '90 show date, well in advance, but it was nice that H.W. was mentioned in the story before George Strait's 'I've come to expect it, from you.'
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